Pensioners evicted from their home today!!

hondasam · 19-04-2012 04:41PM

Bigtalker wrote: »

I feel very sorry for these people - at the end of the day they have worked hard their whole life. They made deicions which at the time they believed was taking a risk but would pay off and secure their future. We have all done it (maybe not with the same amount of sums involved and the regulator should not have let them secure any of the loans in the manner that they have).

They have been forced to publicly fight this battle over the last two years in the press due to the sums of money involved. I have followed their story and at times they have offered the bank €22million (while owing them €71million) and the bank refused to take the money from them unless it was the full installment. I appreciate the couple took risks and they didnt pay off and the couple recognise this in all their statements made to the press. I think their issue is how they are being managed by the bank and so publicly as well.

I hope that after working hard my whole life and making decisions that I believe will better the future of my family and friends that it doesnt come to this.

vikingdub wrote: »

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That is your opinion and speculation, not proof of what happened. I am looking for links to reports of the court case and details of how and when the repossession order was granted.

By the way a number of poster here seem to be confusing this couple with the O'Donnells who owe €72 million.

This is what was posted and who are the O'Donnells?

billybudd · 19-04-2012 04:43PM

Just shows you that the small amount of people who caused such a economic problem here still live in coocoo land.

steve9859 · 19-04-2012 04:44PM

Can't believe the sympathy for these guys. He is a businessman, not a 'poor unfortunate pensioner'....he knew exactly the implications of what he was doing. It was no longer his property and he was effectively trespassing. He has other properties, and as Billybudd says, you can evict your tenants any time if the reason is that you want to move in to the property yourself.

Edit: I dont mean to use the word 'sympathy'. Of course I have 'sympathy' for a businessman down on his luck. What gets my goat is the suggestion that this shouldnt have happened and they shouldnt have been evicted. Due process as far as I can tell worked exactly how it should

Mousewar · 19-04-2012 04:56PM

billybudd wrote: »

As a landlord he can break the lease anytime if its to move back to his own property.

Anytime? Not sure about that - there's still notice that needs giving. Anyway, the point is that they had plenty of time to make arrangements.

billybudd · 19-04-2012 04:58PM

Mousewar wrote: »

Anytime? Not sure about that - there's still notice that needs giving. Anyway, the point is that they had plenty of time to make arrangements.

4-6 weeks afaik. could be wrong on amount of time though.

MagicSean · 19-04-2012 04:59PM

A link to the livestream from the occupy movement

http://www.livestream.com/occupydamestreet/video?clipId=pla_6dff545b-af2d-499b-b87f-b2b3bd6c607f

Ripe for trolling.

EDIT: At present they are looking for free stuff from the shops

seamus · 19-04-2012 05:00PM

billybudd wrote: »

4-6 weeks afaik. could be wrong on amount of time though.

This is not the case. It only applies to a part 4 tenancy - i.e. one without a fixed lease.

If you have a signed lease with the landlord then it can only be broken under the terms of that lease. There is no automatic "get out" clause for either the landlord or tenant.

Snakeblood · 19-04-2012 05:02PM

billybudd wrote: »

4-6 weeks afaik. could be wrong on amount of time though.

This was coming for years. I'm sure they could have packed their tent in that time and sorted out a nice field somewhere.

These arseholes are taking airtime and sympathy from people with actual problems. I hope the tent has holes.

K-9 · 19-04-2012 05:05PM

Milk & Honey wrote: »

The Court Officers Act 1926 gives the Sheriff his powers. There was a Court Order for possession and a Court Order to the Sheriff to the Sheriff to take possession of the house. It has everything to do with the state. Once the Courts are invoked the state gets involved.

These processes are all there to protect the consumer. The repossessions figures compared to arrears figures show banks don't want to repossess, it's very much the very last resort, after everything has failed.

steve9859 · 19-04-2012 05:07PM

seamus wrote: »

This is not the case. It only applies to a part 4 tenancy - i.e. one without a fixed lease.

If you have a signed lease with the landlord then it can only be broken under the terms of that lease. There is no automatic "get out" clause for either the landlord or tenant.

It applies in a standard shorthold tenancy agreement, at least I have the clause in the standard one that I have in place with my tenants. Needs a month's notice - will vary, but a month would be normal

Cedrus · 19-04-2012 05:08PM

seamus wrote: »

This is not the case. It only applies to a part 4 tenancy - i.e. one without a fixed lease.

If you have a signed lease with the landlord then it can only be broken under the terms of that lease. There is no automatic "get out" clause for either the landlord or tenant.

Any residential tenancy agreement can be terminated with due notice if the property is required for the landlord or their family's use.

AnonoBoy · 19-04-2012 05:11PM

In a fixed tenancy lease you can't kick someone out (unless a break clause exists) until the end of the lease.

http://www.threshold.ie/page.asp?menu=70&page=241

However, please note that if a fixed term tenancy exists it cannot under any circumstances be terminated before the expiry of the term, unless the landlord or the tenant is in serious breach of the agreement.

However since they knew this was coming for ages they should have thought ahead and not renewed the lease with one of their tenants - or perhaps talked to their tenant and see if they would agree to move.

Snakeblood · 19-04-2012 05:14PM

AnonoBoy wrote: »

In a fixed tenancy lease you can't kick someone out (unless a break clause exists) until the end of the lease.

http://www.threshold.ie/page.asp?menu=70&page=241

However since they knew this was coming for ages they should have thought ahead and not renewed the lease with one of their tenants - or perhaps talked to their tenant and see if they would agree to move.

Seeing as they weren't paying their mortgage for at least two years, and all of their properties were apparently full and generating income so they couldn't move in, I'm sure they could have swung a modest villa to get them through.

xzanti · 19-04-2012 05:22PM

hondasam wrote: »

She sounded like she was in pain to me.

Special effects department.

johnbouy · 19-04-2012 05:26PM

We occupiers occupied the sheriff's office in response to hundreds of evictions, not one. Also, the Dublin city sheriff is the central sheriff's office of the county and all evictions are primarily actioned from this office, and directed to their more local offices. Regarding the Kelly family, we were very moved to see their plight, the violence used against pensioners by mercenaries of this state. On a final note, although it is easy to criticize our actions, be minded at all times that we are caring and empathetic folk who are following in the footsteps of our forefathers and the lessons from our history, to resist attacks on our community. Solidarity brothers and sisters.

EricPraline · 19-04-2012 05:27PM

Mr Kelly denied that he was aggressive towards the bailiffs carrying out the eviction. He said he was a landlord by profession and rented quite a number of “good quality” properties around the city.

Asked why they had not sold properties from their portfolio to meet their debts, Mr Kelly said it was practically impossible to sell a property at the moment.

If this is the kind of arrant nonsense they were saying to their bank, it's not surprising the bank ran out of patience. As a professional landlord he would well know that it's not impossible to sell a “good quality” property at the moment in Dublin, at the right price. A trip around any leafy suburb in SCD will show you plenty of SOLD signs.

What was the plan? Refuse to pay the mortgage rather than disposing of their portfolio, until such a time as the property market recovers, then profit?

Chucky the tree · 19-04-2012 05:32PM

johnbouy wrote: »

We occupiers occupied the sheriff's office in response to hundreds of evictions, not one. Also, the Dublin city sheriff is the central sheriff's office of the county and all evictions are primarily actioned from this office, and directed to their more local offices. Regarding the Kelly family, we were very moved to see their plight, the violence used against pensioners by mercenaries of this state. On a final note, although it is easy to criticize our actions, be minded at all times that we are caring and empathetic folk who are following in the footsteps of our forefathers and the lessons from our history, to resist attacks on our community. Solidarity brothers and sisters.

From going to supporting the 99% to supporting the 1% and then demanding that speculators, gamblers and property developers be bailed out by the tax payer is such an amazing U-turn in such a short-time. Incredible really.

ThinkAboutIt · 19-04-2012 05:34PM

Wouldn't it be great if this happened to those horrible tax dodgers not paying the household charge.

Don't pay your bills and this is what happens gents.

ejmaztec · 19-04-2012 05:36PM

ThinkAboutIt wrote: »

Wouldn't it be great if this happened to those horrible tax dodgers not paying the household charge.

Don't pay your bills and this is what happens gents.

There wouldn't be enough bailiffs in the country to throw them all out.

johnbouy · 19-04-2012 05:37PM

stevedublin wrote: »

Ballyboggan Road doesn't have the same access to a range of pubs/shops etc.

F*ckwit.

We occupiers occupied the sheriff's office in response to hundreds of evictions, not one. Also, the Dublin city sheriff is the central sheriff's office of the county and all evictions are primarily actioned from this office, and directed to their more local offices. Regarding the Kelly family, we were very moved to see their plight, the violence used against pensioners by mercenaries of this state. On a final note, although it is easy to criticize our actions, be minded at all times that we are caring and empathetic folk who are following in the footsteps of our forefathers and the lessons from our history, to resist attacks on our community. Solidarity brothers and sisters.

Justin10 · 19-04-2012 05:38PM

From what I heard of the video I thought the pensioner got a hiding.
He was the one who got aggressive. I thought they did a great job. All they did was cup his arms and walk him off the property.

I cant believe this even made the news. Hate people like this couple.
Expect to have everything.

Tipsy McSwagger · 19-04-2012 05:39PM

That video was hilarious the first time I seen it but now i just want to kill both those oul eejits.

Gummy Panda · 19-04-2012 05:44PM

johnbouy wrote: »

We occupiers occupied the sheriff's office in response to hundreds of evictions, not one. Also, the Dublin city sheriff is the central sheriff's office of the county and all evictions are primarily actioned from this office, and directed to their more local offices. Regarding the Kelly family, we were very moved to see their plight, the violence used against pensioners by mercenaries of this state. On a final note, although it is easy to criticize our actions, be minded at all times that we are caring and empathetic folk who are following in the footsteps of our forefathers and the lessons from our history, to resist attacks on our community. Solidarity brothers and sisters.

The occupiers are fools

anthonyos · 19-04-2012 05:44PM

the man should of been beaten

Paparazzo · 19-04-2012 05:48PM

johnbouy wrote: »

We occupiers occupied the sheriff's office in response to hundreds of evictions, not one. Also, the Dublin city sheriff is the central sheriff's office of the county and all evictions are primarily actioned from this office, and directed to their more local offices. Regarding the Kelly family, we were very moved to see their plight, the violence used against pensioners by mercenaries of this state. On a final note, although it is easy to criticize our actions, be minded at all times that we are caring and empathetic folk who are following in the footsteps of our forefathers and the lessons from our history, to resist attacks on our community. Solidarity brothers and sisters.

I'd argue that the Kellys are the mercenaries of the state, not the baliffs. We're the people who bought out the banks because of bad debts from the likes of property speculators like the Kellys. The baliffs are only recovering property on behalf of the state that the likes of the Kellys think they should be able to live in for free. Will you be protesting if Sean Fitz or Johnny Ronan gets evicted?
As for the way he was treated, when people perform illegal acts and won't comply with the law, the law forces them to comply. This guy refused to leave a house that's no longer his. If force wasn't used it would be pointless, he'd just live his life in his house and politely say "no" when asked to leave like he's being doing for the last 2 years. It's no different to a gardai taking down a mugger in the street with force. The only difference is, the mugger is costing one person the contents of their wallet. This Kelly guy is costing the state millions.

steve9859 · 19-04-2012 05:50PM

johnbouy wrote: »

We occupiers occupied the sheriff's office in response to hundreds of evictions, not one. Also, the Dublin city sheriff is the central sheriff's office of the county and all evictions are primarily actioned from this office, and directed to their more local offices. Regarding the Kelly family, we were very moved to see their plight, the violence used against pensioners by mercenaries of this state. On a final note, although it is easy to criticize our actions, be minded at all times that we are caring and empathetic folk who are following in the footsteps of our forefathers and the lessons from our history, to resist attacks on our community. Solidarity brothers and sisters.

Way to support the 1%.....well done you!!!!!!

Downlinz · 19-04-2012 05:50PM

I weep for this countries media bringing attention to such an undeserving case. Ass with a self-entitled attitude, no concept of responsibility spouting nonsense about his treatment in a desperate attempt to drum up public uproar to try and prevent him paying his dues. An absolute coward.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 19-04-2012 05:51PM

anthonyos wrote: »

the man should of been beaten

Aye but you can't take a chance these days with clowns filming everything on their phones.

kincsem · 19-04-2012 05:58PM

Again. Is it Ground Hog Day?

44leto · 19-04-2012 06:01PM

Ahh the poor pensioners lost their bollox on Anglo Irish.They are not the only ones .
Talk about a sense of entitlement. The poor people will have to move into one of their inferior rented acc.

no sympathy felt here.

Pensioners evicted from their home today!!

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