You're all Transgender hens until Proven Otherwise!!

drunkmonkey · 17-04-2012 10:58PM

What are you saying the majority of boys are gay only don't know it because there living in pre-defined gender roles. Seriously??

efb · 17-04-2012 10:58PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

You don't identify with women because there women and your a man if you were both the same you could identify with each other. Like you do with men right now.
You don't identify with them right now and that's why getting rid of sex will maybe fix the problem there trying to solve.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqyixwqiCag

Links234 · 17-04-2012 11:01PM

are you guys serious?

a toy catalogue in sweden shows boys playing with girls toys and girls playing, and you're screaming like society will collapse because of it and *shakes fist* teh gheys! grumble grumble.

yeah, sounds a lot like this guy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrFs6b4yg5o

why is there even such a concept as 'girl' toys and 'boy' toys, there should just be toys, end of.

woodoo · 17-04-2012 11:06PM

Mardy Bum wrote: »

As a matter of interest do you have any idea why boys are boys etc? Do you believe it is something essential or is it a construction?

Gender is constructed by society through language. Do you recognise any difference in gender or is sexual difference gender defining? Every position we take is imaginary formed through discourse. Boys are boys etc suits capitalist society but it is not the be all and end all of humanity. Gender in Celtic times was a metaphysical concept which is markedly different to our predominantly sexual interpretation of it now.

There are no universal truths.

Vagina's, penis's, breasts, testosterone, beards, hips, pregnancy, etc. etc. We are different.

drunkmonkey · 17-04-2012 11:09PM

Links there will be nobody gay or straight just hens. Your gone off on another angle with that video.

I feel like Victorian dad trying to keep boys as boys and girl as girls. It's nothing to do with being straight or gay.

drunkmonkey · 17-04-2012 11:12PM

efb wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=

@efb Identify was your word, I would have chosen another.

randylonghorn · 17-04-2012 11:12PM

woodoo wrote: »

Boys are boys, girls are girls, men are men, women are women and heterosexuality should always be the predominant sexuality in society.

Should always be?

Will always be, most likely, yes, unless Dr. Frank-N-Furter gets at the world's water systems.

Should always be though? Why?

Babybuff · 17-04-2012 11:12PM

you're a confused monkey, chill.

Mardy Bum · 17-04-2012 11:12PM

woodoo wrote: »

Vagina's, penis's, breasts, testosterone, beards, hips, pregnancy, etc. etc. We are different.

I'm afraid essentialism stopped being taken seriously after the 60s. Gender is a societal construct. Male and female are different sexs alright but that has nothing to do with man/woman or heterosexuality/homosexuality.

Where To · 17-04-2012 11:14PM

Is that news site the Swedish version of the Mail?

woodoo · 17-04-2012 11:15PM

Mardy Bum wrote: »

I'm afraid essentialism stopped being taken seriously after the 60s. .

By who?

Its still pretty important to the vast majority of society.

L.Jenkins · 17-04-2012 11:18PM

The story relates to Swedens introduction of a pronoun to incorporate gender neutrality. I don't really see what the problem. Becoming liberal in ones gender identification isn't the end of the world.

Mardy Bum · 17-04-2012 11:19PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Links there will be nobody gay or straight just hens. Your gone off on another angle with that video.

I feel like Victorian dad trying to keep boys as boys and girl as girls. It's nothing to do with being straight or gay.

Gender and sexuality are phenomenally complex. Freud, Klein, Winnicott, Lacan, Foucault, Sartre are essential reading. You have to be able to see the difference between sex, gender and sexuality. You dont mean boys as boys you mean male as boys from what I can see from your posts. Boys as boys doesnt make sense.

Mardy Bum · 17-04-2012 11:21PM

woodoo wrote: »

By who?

Its still pretty important to the vast majority of society.

To the experts in areas of social science, psychology, psychiatry and psychoanalysts.

Jezek · 17-04-2012 11:28PM

You still haven't given us any news to read about the Hen thing - just a picture of a spiderman pushing a pram.

The complains in the OP sound shrill and hysterical to my ears. Even if in sweden they don't use the words 'boys' and 'girls' it's not like they're going to perform surgery on all the kids and make them into smooth barbie dolls.

Even IF ( no proof offered yet) they started calling everyone Hen very little would change.

What gays have to do with this I have no clue

woodoo · 17-04-2012 11:29PM

Jezek wrote: »

You still haven't given us any news to read about the Hen thing - just a picture of a spiderman pushing a pram.

The complains in the OP sound shrill and hysterical to my ears. Even if in sweden they don't use the words 'boys' and 'girls' it's not like they're going to perform surgery on all the kids and make them into smooth barbie dolls.

Even IF ( no proof offered yet) they started calling everyone Hen very little would change.

What gays have to do with this I have no clue

People in glasgow call women hen so that is already taken

Millicent · 17-04-2012 11:34PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

It's not a girl in the Spideman suit it's a boy called Lisa. Sweden is trying to get rid of sexuality, it's already started in schools there.

You think sexuality has to do with whether or not a boy pushes a pram in his youth or a girl plays on a go-cart?

drunkmonkey · 17-04-2012 11:37PM

Mardy Bum wrote: »

You dont mean boys as boys you mean male as boys from what I can see from your posts. Boys as boys doesnt make sense.

No, I mean boys as boys and girls as girls. I'm talking about children not adults. If you take away male boys your completely changing society. Your even taking away girls natural role. I think men can be boys or girls it matter little as long as there's some still willing to reproduce with girls. That's if the girls still want to.

L.Jenkins · 17-04-2012 11:37PM

OP should read 'Whipping Girl'. I think there's still an inherant fear when it comes to the blurring of gender roles and the potential dismissal of masculinity, a fate feminity has suffered as being a weaker expression in society.

Millicent · 17-04-2012 11:39PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

No, I mean boys as boys and girls as girls. I'm talking about children not adults. If you take away male boys your completely changing society. Your even taking away girls natural role. I think men can be boys or girls it matter little as long as there's some still willing to reproduce with girls. That's if the girls still want to.

This may be a silly question given your username but...

Are you drunk right now?

L.Jenkins · 17-04-2012 11:40PM

Millicent wrote: »

Are you drunk right now?

Maybe he's an inebriated monkey

drunkmonkey · 17-04-2012 11:41PM

Millicent wrote: »

You think sexuality has to do with whether or not a boy pushes a pram in his youth or a girl plays on a go-cart?

It's a small part of the whole swedish thing but the picture shows the way there heading.

Hen is what I think is wrong. You can't just change the male and female role in society with a piece of legislation. I don't think it's fair on children.

Goodshape · 17-04-2012 11:47PM

I don't think they're going to be buying every boy a pram or every girl a race-car, ffs.

They're just illustrating that it's not such a bad thing if a boy does want a pram. Which it shouldn't be.

Most probably won't. The world will spin ever onward.

Millicent · 17-04-2012 11:47PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

It's a small part of the whole swedish thing but the picture shows the way there heading.

Hen is what I think is wrong. You can't just change the male and female role in society with a piece of legislation. I don't think it's fair on children.

Why? Serious question. Why do you think it's so wrong? Do you really think the whole of society will come crashing down around us if children are able to just be whoever they feel comfortable being?

FWIW, Sweden has a pretty stellar gender equality record and a very decent quality of life. Their society doesn't seem to be crumbling.

Mardy Bum · 17-04-2012 11:48PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

It's a small part of the whole swedish thing but the picture shows the way there heading.

Hen is what I think is wrong. You can't just change the male and female role in society with a piece of legislation. I don't think it's fair on children.

What do you make of this then. Matriarchy :eek:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-r9nHrGten8

L.Jenkins · 17-04-2012 11:49PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Hen is what I think is wrong. You can't just change the male and female role in society with a piece of legislation. I don't think it's fair on children.

What I think is unfair is forcing a gender role on a child from the moment they pop out. I feel a child has a right to make up their own mind, make mistakes and learn. Being told your role in life is a load of bullshít. In native American culture, a third gender was and still is in some cases reveared.

jill_valentine · 17-04-2012 11:53PM

I think everybody else has all the other ridiculousness of this covered, but for the record Transgender =/= Homosexual.

drunkmonkey · 17-04-2012 11:56PM

Millicent wrote: »

Why? Serious question. Why do you think it's so wrong? Do you really think the whole of society will come crashing down around us if children are able to just be whoever they feel comfortable being?

FWIW, Sweden has a pretty stellar gender equality record and a very decent quality of life. Their society doesn't seem to be crumbling.

I'm just worried that children will grown up thinking the may not be the sex there born a lot more than they are now. I'm not talking about liking the same sex i'm talking about changing your sex altogether.
Medical science can now change gender if someone is not happy with the way they are born. I have a slight problem with that because it has never been possible before and now that it's possible it should be acceptable that we are born the wrong sex.
I duuno I just can see it creating more problems than it solves in the long run. If science wasn't a factor I would see no problem at all.

Goodshape · 17-04-2012 11:59PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

I'm just worried that children will grown up thinking the may not be the sex there born a lot more than they are now.

Seriously though, that's got nothing at all to do with playing with prams.

L.Jenkins · 18-04-2012 12:00AM

So you have an issue with the idea that someone may potentially come to terms with their gender identity sooner rather than later. It's this repression of out of the box thinking that has slowed society in it's attempt to become more accepting of ones diversity and expression through gender and sexuality.

You're all Transgender hens until Proven Otherwise!!

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