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EU grant for bigot marches

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  • #32
    LordSutch
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    Cavehill Red wrote: »
    You're not comparing like with like. A political movement is not the same as an anti-Catholic organisation.
    But, I'm interrupting. You were about to condemn EU grant aid for the Orange Order, I believe?

    No, I think the EU aid for the Orange Order is long overdue, as it will help to drag their marches out of their narrow bigoted audience, to (trasnsform) and deliver them to a much wider cross community audience, which seems to be happening already. Just think of modern Orange Order marches as mini Notting Hill carnivals :))


  • #33
    LordSutch
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    Nodin wrote: »
    People marching in commemoration of the 1916 rising are meant to be what, exactly? Come along now, give a clear answer - don't be shy.

    Not my cup of tea.


  • #34
    not yet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,008 ✭✭✭not yet


    LordSutch wrote: »
    No, I think the EU aid for the Orange Order is long overdue, as it will help to drag their marches out of their narrow bigoted audience, to (trasnsform) and deliver them to a much wider cross community audience, which seems to be happening already. Just think of modern Orange Order marches as mini Notting Hill carnivals :))
    You are on medication right, or in a coma the past 30 years.


  • #35
    Morlar
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    LordSutch wrote: »
    Not my cup of tea.

    You are a fcuking troll.


  • #36
    LordSutch
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    Morlar wrote: »
    You are a fcuking troll.

    No, I am not an Irish Republican.


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  • #37
    Auvers
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    LordSutch wrote: »
    Just think of modern Orange Order marches as mini Notting Hill carnivals :))

    don't really care about their ridiculous triumphalist marches, always put on a bit of tunes and closed the curtains when they marched past my house

    also found it pathetic that they had to try to antagonise people on a bi annual basis with such arrogance

    Orange Order = Ku Klux Klan


  • #38
    Cavehill Red
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,109 ✭✭✭Cavehill Red


    LordSutch wrote: »
    No, I think the EU aid for the Orange Order is long overdue,

    Thanks for highlighting your own one-eyed hypocrisy.


  • #39
    not yet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,008 ✭✭✭not yet


    Are people seriously ignoring the fact the the right rev William meCrea. The same man who stood on a platform with the single biggest killer in the history of the troubles (king rat) The same man who lead a prayer service for Wesley Sommerville and Harris Boyle, the uvf (soliders) who slaughtered the innocent men in the miami showband was a loyal orange order member.

    In closing, every single thing to this point about the orange order is bigoted.


  • #40
    LordSutch
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    Cavehill Red wrote: »
    Thanks for highlighting your own one-eyed hypocrisy.

    But you left out the 2nd part of my pos in #48 which goes on to say "as it will help to drag their marches out of their narrow bigoted audience, to (trasnsform) and deliver them to a much wider cross community audience" . . .


  • #41
    Cavehill Red
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    LordSutch wrote: »
    But you left out the 2nd part of my post!

    Because it isn't relevant (or true). You sought to compare historical re-enactors taking part in an Easter 1916 commemoration with the annual Orange marching intimidations. You object to one receiving grant aid, but agreed that the other should. You are therefore a bigot.


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  • #42
    Nodin
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    LordSutch wrote: »
    Not my cup of tea.

    Never says much good about the views or the poster when they can't stand over and expand on them.


  • #43
    lividduck
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    LordSutch wrote: »
    No, I think the EU aid for the Orange Order is long overdue, as it will help to drag their marches out of their narrow bigoted audience, to (trasnsform) and deliver them to a much wider cross community audience, which seems to be happening already. Just think of modern Orange Order marches as mini Notting Hill carnivals :))
    Only if it was a Notting Hill Carnival which was organized by a white supremisist Movement.
    These are the same Orange Order that publicly celebrated the sectarian murders of innocent Catholics at the bookies on the Falls road, the same Orange Orger that celebrated the murder by arson of the Quinn children in Ballymoney!


  • #44
    LordSutch
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    Cavehill Red wrote: »
    You are therefore a bigot.

    So I take it you are a Republican supporter? possibly an IRA supporter too?


  • #45
    Nodin
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    Cavehill Red wrote: »
    Because it isn't relevant (or true). You sought to compare historical re-enactors taking part in an Easter 1916 commemoration with the annual Orange marching intimidations. You object to one receiving grant aid, but agreed that the other should. You are therefore a bigot.


    ....though it has to be said that the Thompson wasn't invented until 1919, so they do deserve minus points for that.


  • #46
    Auvers
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    LordSutch wrote: »
    So I take it you are a Republican supporter? possibly an IRA supporter too?

    don't think it was possible to embarrass your self any further, but I have been proven wrong


  • #47
    Nodin
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    awec wrote: »
    Presumably he was referring to the masked man in Derry who reassured his audience that the violence, destruction and murder would continue.

    That isn't my cup of tea either. Is it yours? :confused:

    No, that's not who he was referring to, as thats not the rally in the article.........


  • #48
    LordSutch
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    Nodin wrote: »
    Never says much good about the views or the poster when they can't stand over and expand on them.

    I think you know my views by this stage you old teaser, so I am not going to get into the argument you want to have with me.

    Nice try.


  • #49
    LordSutch
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    Auvers wrote: »
    don't think it was possible to embarrass your self any further, but I have been proven wrong

    Are you related to Cavehill Red?


  • #50
    Nodin
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    LordSutch wrote: »
    I think you know my views by this stage you old teaser, so I am not going to get into the argument you want to have with me.

    Nice try.


    O I just want you to try and be a bit more forthright.


  • #51
    Cavehill Red
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    LordSutch wrote: »
    So I take it you are a Republican supporter? possibly an IRA supporter too?

    Nope. I am neither.
    But thanks for playing.


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  • #52
    LordSutch
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    Nodin wrote: »
    O I just want you to try and be a bit more forthright.

    How charming from a self confessed supporter of the Provo's.


  • #53
    Cavehill Red
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    Nodin wrote: »
    O I just want you to try and be a bit more forthright.

    In fairness, he's already been very upfront with his hypocritical bigotry on the thread.


  • #54
    ejmaztec
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    The pot-kettle thread.:pac:


  • #55
    Dubhlinner
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    Auvers wrote: »
    yeah right, a fraternity who picks a particular religious group and enshrines it in their constitution, ah they are only poor misunderstood souls :pac:


    "Constitution, Laws and Ordinances of the Loyal Orange Institution of Ireland" (1967) state, "No person who at any time has been a Roman Catholic … shall be admitted into the Institution, except after permission given by a vote of seventy five per cent of the members present founded on testimonials of good character …"

    Do you think its bigoted that the Catholic church only lets Catholics join?

    Its obviously not. So neither is it when a Protestant religious organisation only lets Prods join

    Cavehill Red wrote: »
    It is in their constitution to prohibit attendance of Catholic churches under any circumstances. Where members of the OO do so and get away with it, that's what's happpened - they've got away with it. The Order rules require them to be removed. It's a demonstrably bigoted organisation, and anyone arguing otherwise ought to remind themselves by viewing footage of any of the many anti-Catholic speeches made at 12th July parades each year, by examining the facepainting of 'Kill All Taigs' on children accompanying the marches, or indeed the Loyalist terror banners of certain flute bands which march.

    The speeches are anti catholic in a doctrinal sense. They are reformists after all. The other things you've mentioned there are due to hatred in the loyalist communities

    Were the orange order to disappear tomorrow the loyalist bands and those hateful supporters with the KAT slogans you mention would go on. I'd speculate the membership for the order is reflective of hatred rather than its cause

    Also what you've left out of the thread is this 900K is not for marches. Its for Protestant victims of the troubles.

    Personally I don't think it a good idea to distribute these grants along religious lines. However for whatever reason they're doing it I think the OO would probably be the best group to use for managing the fund. If it were done by the borough councils it would become a political nightmare.

    You won't see any objection to this from SF I suspect. Afterall the EU fund the IRA museum in south armagh.

    Really is a shame the SDLP aren't the main nationalist party.


  • #56
    Morlar
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    awec wrote: »
    I've come to the conclusion that Cavehill Red is a windup merchant, and a pretty good one at that. :pac:

    No he is not. By a coincidence I was thinking the same thing about you.


  • #57
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,565 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    LordSutch wrote: »
    No, I think the EU aid for the Orange Order is long overdue, as it will help to drag their marches out of their narrow bigoted audience, to (trasnsform) and deliver them to a much wider cross community audience, which seems to be happening already. Just think of modern Orange Order marches as mini Notting Hill carnivals :))

    You just single handedly pointed out the hypocrisy of the orange order.


  • #58
    frag420
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    Hande hoche! wrote: »
    Would they not stick to funding roads?


    For marching on??


  • #59
    Nodin
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    awec wrote: »
    Yes it is. He said look at the pictures.

    Did you look at the pictures?

    Nice attempt at dodging the question too. :)

    There are pictures from at least 3 rallies by 3 different organisations there...the one referred to in the text was the main sinn fein commemoration. That one would be "my cup of tea".


  • #60
    Nodin
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    LordSutch wrote: »
    How charming from a self confessed supporter of the Provo's.

    Yep....which means I'm rather 'forthright' about it.....you've a point?


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  • #61
    Auvers
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    Dubhlinner wrote: »
    Do you think its bigoted that the Catholic church only lets Catholics join?

    dunno ain't a Catholic, but the debate was about the Orange order being a bigoted organisation, and I believe they are


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