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Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 11/12 (End of March 2012 onwards)

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,299 ✭✭✭djPSB


    opr wrote: »
    Henderson might grow into the role the more he plays but McCarthy would be light years ahead of him at the moment in terms of understanding of the role in the centre. Martinez also seems like someone he will have learnt loads from working under. He has been excellent as part of a two in recent games but I think he would excel as part of the two with Lucas in a 4-2-3-1. The fact the kid seems to have a great head on his shoulders turning down big money moves in the past including ourselves makes me like him even more. That said I think he will cost a fortune which begs the question of surely we can maybe find better value elsewhere?

    Why is Sigurdsson even being compared to McCarthy? Doesn't he play in the attacking midfielder/hole role most of the time? I don't recall ever having seen him play in the centre for Swansea.

    Opr

    I don't think he is far enough ahead of Henderson to warrant selling Henderson and replacing him with McCarthy. While I don't think it would be a good idea to have both in the squad. We could definitely find better value somewhere else. He's not the kind of player you would look at and say he's going to improve our squad to take us to the Top 4.

    I think we do need to sign one midfielder in the summer which is why I suggested Sigurdsson. He play's just ahead of Britton and Allen for Swasnea as part of a midfield three. I'd see him as an upgrade on Adam.

    Maybe there are better options out there, but I would prefer him to McCarthy anyway.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,299 ✭✭✭djPSB


    MD1990 wrote: »
    i think Clint Dempsey would be a great player for us to get if we could
    im sure the American owners would like us to sign him too

    I'd say he's too old, would cost too much and I'd prefer a pacier player with a more direct threat.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,267 ✭✭✭opr


    djPSB wrote: »
    I don't think he is far enough ahead of Henderson to warrant selling Henderson and replacing him with McCarthy. While I don't think it would be a good idea to have both in the squad. We could definitely find better value somewhere else. He's not the kind of player you would look at and say he's going to improve our squad to take us to the Top 4.

    I think we do need to sign one midfielder in the summer which is why I suggested Sigurdsson. He play's just ahead of Britton and Allen for Swasnea as part of a midfield three. I'd see him as an upgrade on Adam.

    Maybe there are better options out there, but I would prefer him to McCarthy anyway.

    You're suggesting we go out and buy another attacking midfielder?

    Our problems this season have mainly stemmed from the middle of the park. A complete absence of midfielders who can play in the centre since Lucas got injured. We need someone to play alongside Lucas and cover for him in the centre should we need. That's why James McCarthy name was mentioned.

    You then interjected some meaningless stats with regards goals/assists for a CM (Xabi says hi). Then you decided Sigurdsson was the better option despite him playing in a different position which isn't really a priority considering we have Gerrard with Shelvey as cover.

    Opr


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,740 ✭✭✭✭MD1990


    He's 29, to old.
    i don't think so
    he's not a player who relies on pace
    so if we got him
    i think he could have a good 5 years at the top left
    ppl are too quick to write off players in there 30's
    look at Giggs,Scholes,Seedorf,Di Natalie all playing great & all well into there 30's


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,299 ✭✭✭djPSB


    opr wrote: »
    You're suggesting we go out and buy another attacking midfielder?

    Our problems this season have mainly stemmed from the middle of the park. A complete absence of midfielders who can play in the centre since Lucas got injured. We need someone to play alongside Lucas and cover for him in the centre should we need. That's why James McCarthy name was mentioned.

    You then interjected some meaningless stats with regards goals/assists for a CM (Xabi says hi). Then you decided Sigurdsson was the better option despite him playing in a different position which isn't really a priority considering we have Gerrard with Shelvey as cover.

    Opr

    I don't rate McCarthy as a defensive midfielder. I think his proper position isn't too far from the role Sigurdsson plays which is why I mentioned him. It's a role in which Trappatoni tried him for Ireland. Just off the main striker. I think McCarthy wouldn't be near good enough to fill in for Lucas in a defensive midfield role. It would be disastrous to play Gerrard and McCarthy in a midfield two, as it would with Adam. Defensively, he isn't much better than Spearing but he is a far better player technically and on the ball.

    He is a good player IMO with potential but I don't think he would be much of an improvement on what is already in the squad.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,655 ✭✭✭El Inho


    dempsey would be a cracking player, age not a factor.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,299 ✭✭✭djPSB


    eldwaro wrote: »
    dempsey would be a cracking player, age not a factor.

    Price is a factor. Remember the word value that Comolli kept going on about. :o


  • Site Banned Posts: 26,456 ✭✭✭✭Nuri Sahin


    We have the likes of Lucas, Shelvey and Henderson currently who could playing for us potentially anywhere from the next 3-10 years. Then there is Coady, Suso and co.

    These players hopefully together will bridge the positions of central attacking midfielder down to the set central midfielder to defensive midfielder for years to come.
    If we can get Sigurdsson, all well and good because I truly believe the kid has everything to be a very consistent goalscorer from midfield for years to come and will succeed at the highest level.

    But let's be clear, this isn't a priority position IMHO. Likewise with McCarthy who like Henderson and Shelvey is nothing more than potential at present.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 19,341 ✭✭✭✭Chucky the tree


    MD1990 wrote: »
    i don't think so
    he's not a player who relies on pace
    so if we got him
    i think he could have a good 5 years at the top left
    ppl are too quick to write off players in there 30's
    look at Giggs,Scholes,Seedorf,Di Natalie all playing great & all well into there 30's


    People are to quick to use very rare and special players to try and prove a point, not only that but all of those players were world class for very long periods of time. I could list far more players that turned very ****, very quickly when they went into their earlier 30s. I mean look at our own with Gerrard, Carragher and Kuyt. All 3 have diminished quickly from what they used to be.
    eldwaro wrote: »
    dempsey would be a cracking player, age not a factor.


    He's a good example of a player who's in his prime and has hit a good run of form.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,299 ✭✭✭djPSB


    I would say Sigurdsson would be a good replacement for Scholes for the Mancs. Alot better than their other options.

    But as OPR pointed out, it isn't really a problem position for us at the minute and more a defensive midfielder would be better.

    A better, proven, more experienced, cheaper option than James McCarthy though.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,313 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    Sigurddson looks a fantastic player, maybe the signing of January, but he isn't what we need.. Priority, essential, the dogs in the streets, know it is a partner for Lucas, somebody who can tackle unlike Adam and dictate the pace of the game better than him. Easy task for the scouts on this thread!

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,267 ✭✭✭opr


    djPSB wrote: »
    I don't rate McCarthy as a defensive midfielder. I think his proper position isn't too far from the role Sigurdsson plays which is why I mentioned him. It's a role in which Trappatoni tried him for Ireland. Just off the main striker. I think McCarthy wouldn't be near good enough to fill in for Lucas in a defensive midfield role. It would be disastrous to play Gerrard and McCarthy in a midfield two, as it would with Adam. Defensively, he isn't much better than Spearing but he is a far better player technically and on the ball.

    He is a good player IMO with potential but I don't think he would be much of an improvement on what is already in the squad.

    Fair enough you don't think McCarthy is good enough for the role but that is the position we're talking about and should be looking for someone to fill. Suggesting Sigurdsson as an alternative for a completely different role to the one being talked about based on what you think is McCarthy's best position doesn't seem to make much sense.

    Opr


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,313 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    Gbear wrote: »
    People will always believe what they want to believe.
    If you have an irrational hatred of something or someone it's a backdoor for stupidity to creep in through.
    "Liverpool are evil"
    ---> "Hillsborough was their own fault because they're evil"
    ---> "They're evil because of [insert lies from the Rag here]"


    It's a kind of tautological nonsense that's impervious to reason, evidence or logic and it's not confined solely to football. You get the same ****e in British and Irish relations, between people from the US and the middle east and sectarianism in the north.

    Yep, you see it in politics, racism, so many things.

    "I hate, therefor I am".

    No wonder Murdoch thrived under Thatcher. Profits and big business became paramount. The miners, Wapping, Brixton, all felt the wrath of the right wing media and with Hillsborough they found a perfect target, Liverpool, the hard left city, football hooliganism, the poor oppressed police safeguarding civil society.

    Workers rights became subservient to profits. Yep, workers rights went too far in the 70's. Now you have a Britain were Unions are irrelevant, serfs to the market.

    The latest Murdoch scandals proved all this, so many don't care.

    At least when people rioted in the 80's it was about mining towns, factories closing, police brutality (and we Irish should know about the West Midland police) and profit over humanity. Now its iPods and LCD TV's.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,243 ✭✭✭✭Jesus Wept


    gafferino wrote: »
    random........

    why would the indo have a picture of Diouf in a Liverpool jersey next to a story of him being questioned for assault. Ridiculous.

    http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/police-quiz-footballers-hadji-diouf-and-anton-ferdinand-after-nightclub-brawl-3081870.html?start=1

    That's incredibly annoying, they are useless bastards. He's only had the five clubs since us.


    Anyhow...

    Regarding the champions league spots, tactically speaking, who would it be best from our point of view to get them or in which order would you rank what would be best to worst from our point of view....

    Does it make much of a difference, is it better if Chelsea or Arsenal don't get there or better than new teams don't?

    Between Arsenal, Chelsea, Newcastle, Spurs...

    Is it much of a muchness?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,836 ✭✭✭Sir Gallagher


    That's incredibly annoying, they are useless bastards. He's only had the five clubs since us.


    Anyhow...

    Regarding the champions league spots, tactically speaking, who would it be best from our point of view to get them or in which order would you rank what would be best to worst from our point of view....

    Does it make much of a difference, is it better if Chelsea or Arsenal don't get there or better than new teams don't?

    Between Arsenal, Chelsea, Newcastle, Spurs...

    Is it much of a muchness?

    Chelsea and Arsenal, Arsenal are always up there and Chelsea already have the money. Don't want Spurs or Newcastle getting any extra dosh to buy quality players.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,945 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    Whatever about Newcastle, I definitely don't want Spurs getting more champions league football. Missing out on it could make for a huge swing for them.

    If they make it, there's a decent chance the likes of Harry and Modric would stay, they might be able to buy Adebayor, and could strengthen further - they have money, and they have a great location.

    if they miss out, Harry will likely go for the England job (though obviously there's a good chance of this regardless), and when he goes, we could see a bit of an exodus of players who want to take that next step. Bale, Modric, VDV, and Ade would all be likely to attract offers. King, Gallas and Parker would be a year older too, and harder to replace without CL football.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,379 ✭✭✭hefferboi


    I think McCarthy would be a great buy! I was mad for us to sign him when he was at hamilton. We sign him, Hoilett and a decent finisher and we're top four.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,206 ✭✭✭✭amiable


    MD1990 wrote: »
    i think Clint Dempsey would be a great player for us to get if we could
    im sure the American owners would like us to sign him too
    He seems to be flavour of the month in the media. Hes played well for a while now but not long enough imo.
    Peter Morrison his agent is doing a good job with him.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,117 ✭✭✭✭Leiva


    Chelsea and Arsenal, Arsenal are always up there and Chelsea already have the money. Don't want Spurs or Newcastle getting any extra dosh to buy quality players.

    This is my exact position aswell.

    Chelsea will spend it CL money or not .

    Arsenal are CL veterans at this stage .

    Newcastle and Spurs are too close in terms of building a sustainable CL squad like ours that it wouldn't be good for us if they got a big CL cash injection .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 820 ✭✭✭kop77


    ...

    Liverpool striker Andy Carroll believes he has spent too much time on the substitutes' bench since his big-money move to Anfield.

    The 23-year-old England international has started the past two games against Blackburn and Everton and scored the winner in both to go some way towards repaying his hefty £35million price tag. But he has come off the bench in 14 of his 31 league appearances this season and feels he needs to be starting if he is to score more goals.

    "I am confident in myself that, if I am playing games, I will score goals and put myself about," he told various newspapers. "I cannot really do that if I am on the bench and coming on in the last 10 minutes of games. What I want is to start games and put myself about like I know I can. When I haven't been playing, you get low on confidence."

    Carroll also claimed the days of his party lifestyle off the pitch were behind him since moving to Liverpool.

    Last September former England boss Fabio Capello infamously warned Carroll that he needed to "drink less", with the striker now admitting he prefers to stay in with his girlfriend.

    "My past is my past. I changed my lifestyle when I came to Liverpool and settled down. I love it here," he said.

    "People will say to me 'Oh, you were in the boozer last week' but it is just rumours going round.

    "Now I just laugh it off. To be honest, I don't go out at all. All I do now is sit in the house with my girlfriend, chill out and watch movies."


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,655 ✭✭✭El Inho


    http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11669/7678526/?utm_medium=facebook&utm_source=twitterfeed_Liverpool

    i say give the man what he wants! apparently he's a boring old man now an all :P


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 609 ✭✭✭Dubit10


    I honestly believe that if Carroll starts every game for us he is going to be a beast. I've been very impressed with his all round play these last few weeks and he is almost unplayable in the air. 15-20 goals would be a realistic return for him next season if he plays most of our games.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,655 ✭✭✭El Inho


    Dubit10 wrote: »
    I honestly believe that if Carroll starts every game for us he is going to be a beast. I've been very impressed with his all round play these last few weeks and he is almost unplayable in the air. 15-20 goals would be a realistic return for him next season if he plays most of our games.

    aye, like i dont wanna say his job is anywhere near done, but he's shown he is worth starting.

    he offers a lot too with regard to break down of play...nodding to suarez etc.

    i dont wanna see people bigging him up too much, but equally dont want him being slated.


    just watching kenny's interview with his daughter....

    anyone worried when he said 'the problems aren't solved by money' :P

    EDIT:

    sorry just saw the end piece where he says 'maybe things would be better if we had more players to go out and play'

    big summer ahead!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 820 ✭✭✭kop77


    ...
    DIRK KUYT has admitted he was disappointed not to feature as Liverpool FC clinched their place in the FA Cup final, but says he will strive to prove his worth ahead of next month’s Wembley showdown with Chelsea.
    The Dutch forward, so often the Reds’ go-to man on the big stage, was an unused substitute as Kenny Dalglish’s side defeated Everton 2-1 in front of more than 87,000 spectators on Saturday, with Dalglish preferring to use Craig Bellamy and Maxi Rodriguez as his side chased a winning goal late on.

    It has been something of a frustrating campaign for Kuyt. Having topped the Reds’ scoring charts last season, he has managed just five goals this term, even hinting, via his agent, recently that he may be forced to consider his Anfield future should he fail to force his way into Dalglish’s picture.

    Nonetheless, the 31-year-old says he is determined to play his part, if called upon, in his third major final for the club, having scored in his previous two – the 2007 Champions League defeat to AC Milan, and the Carling Cup triumph over Cardiff City earlier this year.



    Kuyt said: “I am proud that, after the Champions League final and the final of the Carling Cup, for the third time I am with Liverpool in a final.

    “But it is a disappointment that I did not play (against Everton). I expected to come on, and if that happens, you hope to be the first to come on. But that was not to be.

    “There have been some important moments for me in the FA Cup, such as my goal against Manchester United (in round four). I will do everything to ensure that in the third final I prove my worth with a goal.”

    :D



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,952 ✭✭✭Morzadec


    kop77 wrote: »
    ...


    I think Carroll is certainly starting to answer some of the question marks over both his ability and his attitude.

    I'm still of the opinion that we need a different type of striker to push on to better things. I still believe that a Suarez-Carroll partnership is not the way forward and we need a quicker, smarter and more technically gifted striker to play alongside and get the best out of our greatest asset (Suarez).

    However I hope that Carroll is given the opportunity to start every game until the end of the season (except maybe the FA Cup final if it's deemed that a different system/approach/personnel is needed) to prove me wrong.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 517 ✭✭✭batm!ke


    Morzadec wrote: »
    However I hope that Carroll is given the opportunity to start every game until the end of the season (except maybe the FA Cup final if it's deemed that a different system/approach/personnel is needed) to prove me wrong.

    Totally agree. He was kicking around Newcastle for a while, it wasn't until there was only himself and Shola Ameobi as practically the only strikers left at the club and he got a solid run of games. He always looked an absolute animal in games when I watched Newcastle.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,707 ✭✭✭skywalker


    Was just looking at David Texeira's wiki page to see how he's been getting on since we were linked to him in Jan. 8 goals in 24 appearances in the dutch league this season.

    1goal in 3 apps not a bad return, but assuming half of those were pre Christmas (I would imagine it was probably more, as we were hardly attracted to him scoring 4 goals in a half season.) it doesnt look like we have missed out on a huge goals return this season, ala Cisse., & although we badly needed a goalscorer Im wondering whether we're actually better placed to go & get a better target this summer for having learned our lesson & not panic bought a striker.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,560 ✭✭✭✭Kess73


    opr wrote: »
    You're suggesting we go out and buy another attacking midfielder?

    Our problems this season have mainly stemmed from the middle of the park. A complete absence of midfielders who can play in the centre since Lucas got injured. We need someone to play alongside Lucas and cover for him in the centre should we need. That's why James McCarthy name was mentioned.

    You then interjected some meaningless stats with regards goals/assists for a CM (Xabi says hi). Then you decided Sigurdsson was the better option despite him playing in a different position which isn't really a priority considering we have Gerrard with Shelvey as cover.

    Opr


    Now Sigurdsson would not be the answer in CM, but as an AM he does offer something that the players we currently have that play in the same role (Gerrard, Henderson, Shelvey) simply don't do on a regular basis, Gerrard I mention because he misses a hell of a lot of games and has done for a number of seasons now, and that is get regular goals and assists. He is only 22 years of age and has shown himself to be a conststent goal getter and maker since the age of 18 in the Championship, Bundesliga and Premiership. He is physically strong, mobile, links play, tracks back, has a good work rate, and positions himself well.

    He is also linked to us for a move this coming summer and was one of the bits of gossip I brought up after a trip back home a month or two ago.

    Cracking young player and is exactly what a young prospect shopuld look like in a first team. Plus he would not cost the kind of money that Henderson for example cost, so in terms of value for money and resale value he would be a good buy as well.

    Would be delighted to see him come in as we simply don't have a genuine regular goal threat amongst our attacking midfielders anymore now that Gerrard is well and truly on the wane in terms of being able to stay fit for a season.


    Sigurdsson plus a quality CM would be very nice to see in the summer.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,588 ✭✭✭daithijjj




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,560 ✭✭✭✭Kess73


    welcome back. :D


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