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What is your solution?

  • 15-04-2012 07:55PM
    #1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,127 ✭✭✭


    Hi all,

    I've been following discussions on here for a while. I haven't posted too much. Anytime anything in relation to tax/charges/government come up for discussion come up I see a plethora of:

    1) All politicians are evil.If they come to my door looking for a vote, I'm gonna batter them.
    2) It wasn't my fault. I never got anything from the "celtic tiger" so why should I pay.
    3) They are trying to force us to pay to cover the gambling (banking) debts of some mysterious elite. If we refused to pay these debts, we'd be fine.
    4) All services that I use should be free. Ones that I don't use are obviously being used by the rich people. They should pay for them.
    5) The public sector/teacher/guards are overpaid/bloated/inefficient. They should be improved, yet there should be no cutbacks
    6) Go back to the punt. Devalue it and then we'd all be rich again. (particularly idiotic in my opinion)
    7) "Bankers" are evil. (However I don't quite understand who "Bankers" are or how many of them there are. But from reading the posts here, one would get the impression that if we got rid of them, or killed them, we'd be back to the happy days again.)


    The thing about the constant attacking of politicians really annoys me. These people may be incompetant, but it's the voters who put them in. It is probably the vicious attitude of the general rabble that stop more competent people from standing. I reckon that most of them are trying to do at least some good. Some probably like the "being in charge" or "being in the limelight" aspect, but most probably still are trying to do what they think is right within their constraints.

    I have no politican affiliation of any sort. I'd categorise myself as slightly left of centre as regards social issues, but slightly right of centre as regards fiscal and financial things. I'd try to be practical about things but at the same time you also have to try to help the people who fall between the cracks. But you should try to do that without letting lazy people take advantage. You should encourage and reward people that work hard without giving them too much power. Obviosly everyone thinks they work hard, but I honestly know a lot of people who work harder than me, and I know a lot who try less than me.


    So basically, if you were put in charge for a week and given the opportunity to make any changes you wanted, what would you do? Only intelligent and reasonable answers please. None of this "
    I'd just have to tell Merkel and the Troika to f***k off and we'd all be grand then" or "I'd just make the rich/bankers/politicians pay their share of tax and then the rest of us would be fine". i.e you have to think more than one step into the future!

    For example, I recall listening to the Gerry Adams interview where he claimed he'd take unilateral action against the Troika. The extreme left wing harp on about "x amount of billions owned by the top 5%" but a large proportion of that is probably not liquid. It might be in the form of property or business. To monetise it, it would have to be sold to someone else. Eventually it would need to be sold to the outsiders to bring money into the country. So when I hear SF and extreme left saying stuff like this, the logical extension and final step in such a process is not "redistribute wealth to the poor" (a la Zimbabwean style where you just destroy the country... but at least there are no more wealthy.....but everyone is far far poorer) but more of a "sieze their assets and sell the countryto outsiders:" (Brits?) bit by bit. As I said, I'm fiscally conservative and those people are entitled to their opinions, but they should spell out the consequences, or expected consequences, of those decisions.

    Would I want to be a politician? - No. Because even though I would want to be fair and I would honestly try my best, and with good intentions, to serve the people, I know that there would be anonymous people on message boards calling me stupid or threatening what they would do to me if I landed at their door. Because it is impossible to have an efficient and fully functioning system where everyone is happy unless you are just building up problems for the person coming after you to sort. I think people should have more repect for the people who do stand for election and try to make difficult choices. It is easy to shout and pontificate when you are an independent because you never have to actually do what you propose, and thus never have to deal with the consequences.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YOh-rpvjYg


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Comments

  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,048 ✭✭✭✭Snowie


    mmm I'm like missing 4 minutes or so of my life.....


    can i have it back ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 670 ✭✭✭Naomi00


    After Hours is turning into the Politics forum.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,879 ✭✭✭Coriolanus


    I don't have one. Then again I never claimed to. They did


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,310 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    My solution to a lot of problems would be napalm if I had some... :pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    yore wrote: »
    What is your solution?

    1 part Mi-Wadi......... 10 parts water.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,127 ✭✭✭yore


    Snowie wrote: »
    mmm I'm like missing 4 minutes or so of my life.....


    can i have it back ?

    Sorry for taking up valuable time that you could have put to better use reading about whether fellas wipe their mickeys after they go to the toilet etc. You could have saved a few of those seconds by not bothering to type in a response.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,137 ✭✭✭44leto


    Shorter OPs would greatly help.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,127 ✭✭✭yore


    the_syco wrote: »
    My solution to a lot of problems would be napalm if I had some... :pac:


    That's exactly the point. People complain and rabble-rouse without thinking about an alternative. You may be trying to be witty or funny with your response, or you may actually believe that that would be a solution. Who would you napalm? "Bankers", "politicians". Perhaps you would set up "camps" where you could "concentrate" the people that you blame for the current bad state of the economy :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,930 ✭✭✭Jimoslimos


    yore wrote: »
    I have no politican affiliation of any sort. I'd categorise myself as slightly left of centre as regards social issues, but slightly right of centre as regards fiscal and financial things.
    Careful now, that sort of polarisation of political opinion is the first step towards Libertarianism :pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 830 ✭✭✭Born to Die


    Can we move to a new AH forum please, this one is broken beyond repair.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,127 ✭✭✭yore


    Nevore wrote: »
    I don't have one. Then again I never claimed to. They did


    Is the attitude then "I don't attempt to propose a solution. Therefore I am a good innocent person. However if you attempt to propose one to get us out of this, you are evil and/or incompetant"


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,369 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    the_syco wrote: »
    My solution to a lot of problems would be napalm if I had some... :pac:

    The mornings are the best time for that.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,029 ✭✭✭✭Chuck Stone


    I'd nationalize everything. I'd even nationalize the supermarkets.

    EVERYTHING.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,127 ✭✭✭yore


    mikom wrote: »
    1 part Mi-Wadi......... 10 parts water.

    That's a dilution. Not a solution.
    Mi-Wadi on it's own is a solution. so it's a dilution of a solution!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,930 ✭✭✭Jimoslimos


    yore wrote: »
    That's a dilution. Not a solution.
    Mi-Wadi on it's own is a solution. so it's a dilution of a solution!
    Indeed,

    1 sachet of Dioralyte in 250mls of warm water then.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,127 ✭✭✭yore


    Jimoslimos wrote: »
    I have no politican affiliation of any sort. I'd categorise myself as slightly left of centre as regards social issues, but slightly right of centre as regards fiscal and financial things.
    Careful now, that sort of polarisation of political opinion is the first step towards Libertarianism :pac:



    It's got nothing to do with Libertarianism. It was simply a statement that I have no political affiliation, but I did give where I would lie on the spectrum. And I don't think that "slightly right of centre as regards fiscal and financial" would be compatible with my understanding of Libertarianism :rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,137 ✭✭✭44leto


    Its looking hopeless, to much the country is loaded with to much personal, commercial and sovereign debt. The plus side is our exports, but the WTO predict an international reduction of that next year.

    There is no solution, we can't dump the euro, we can't have debt forgiveness the figures are to big and we can't boost our exports. The only thing we can all do is pay more taxes and get poorer.

    We will need another bail out and we will eventually default. We are soon to be Greece.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,127 ✭✭✭yore


    duplicate post


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 670 ✭✭✭Naomi00


    yore wrote: »
    That's a dilution. Not a solution.
    Mi-Wadi on it's own is a solution. so it's a dilution of a solution!

    The whole thing is a solution.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    yore wrote: »
    That's a dilution. Not a solution.
    Mi-Wadi on it's own is a solution. so it's a dilution of a solution!

    Liquid in a liquid is a solution.
    God....... you take the fun out of everything.
    Naomi00 wrote: »
    The whole thing is a solution.

    The anti-drugs girl is right.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    I always have a good laugh at the type of people you outlined at the start of your post OP. Back in the good old days they were all kissing berties arse while he lined his pockets with their taxes because times were good and the government were reducing taxes when they should have been increasing them. But now the truth has been revealed and they all hate the previous gov with a fiery passion that burns deep in their souls!

    Now we have a government that are far from perfect and have been left with one hell of mess to clean up but at least they are honest and are trying to get this country back on track and what do they get? Dogs abuse at every turn from the same people who voted them in and who voted for Fianna Fail in 2007. So many people seem to live a dream world where austerity can be avoided and the current government are increasing taxes and cutting services purely because they enjoy watching us suffer. Rant over.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,533 ✭✭✭Daniel S


    Only engineers/mathamaticians/scientists etc are allowed near government money.

    Problem solved.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,127 ✭✭✭yore


    I'd nationalize everything. I'd even nationalize the supermarkets.

    EVERYTHING.


    Would you be happy for the state to sieze all of your posessions so? You should have moved to Cuba before they allowed for people to own property!

    Or again, is it just "nationalize everything belonging to people that have more than me"?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 829 ✭✭✭forfuxsake


    Germany has the last word on this or as they like to call it

    ze final solution.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,127 ✭✭✭yore


    Naomi00 wrote: »
    The whole thing is a solution.

    Yes, but it's a solution without having to dilute it first. As I said, it's a dilution of a solution. Adding 10 parts water does not make it a solution. It was already a solution.

    Plus I wouldn't want to be drinking mi-wadi in their house. Must be a right stingy **** to be using a 1:10 dilution ;) . You'd probably get more blackcurrant flavour from drinking your own p1$$. Although there are double strength dilutes now, but I don't think they are available for Mi-Wadi. Maybe it's the economic state of the country and they have no choice..... I blame the "bankers/politicians/etc"

    That response good enough for the AH people out there complaining :P


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,048 ✭✭✭✭Snowie


    yore wrote: »
    Sorry for taking up valuable time that you could have put to better use reading about whether fellas wipe their mickeys after they go to the toilet etc. You could have saved a few of those seconds by not bothering to type in a response.


    Im sorry i didn't realize you had sand in your Man/vagina :rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,127 ✭✭✭yore


    forfuxsake wrote: »
    Germany has the last word on this or as they like to call it

    ze final solution.

    I alluded to certain aspects of German history in a precious post but nobody seems to have picked up on it yet!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,745 ✭✭✭dirtyden


    mikom wrote: »
    1 part Mi-Wadi......... 10 parts water.

    I prefer a 1 in 4 solution, nice and sweet.

    1 in 10 and your only putting colour on the water.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 216 ✭✭AboutTwoFiddy


    yore wrote: »
    Hi all,

    I've been following discussions on here for a while. I haven't posted too much. Anytime anything in relation to tax/charges/government come up for discussion come up I see a plethora of:

    1) All politicians are evil.If they come to my door looking for a vote, I'm gonna batter them.
    2) It wasn't my fault. I never got anything from the "celtic tiger" so why should I pay.
    3) They are trying to force us to pay to cover the gambling (banking) debts of some mysterious elite. If we refused to pay these debts, we'd be fine.
    4) All services that I use should be free. Ones that I don't use are obviously being used by the rich people. They should pay for them.
    5) The public sector/teacher/guards are overpaid/bloated/inefficient. They should be improved, yet there should be no cutbacks
    6) Go back to the punt. Devalue it and then we'd all be rich again. (particularly idiotic in my opinion)
    7) "Bankers" are evil. (However I don't quite understand who "Bankers" are or how many of them there are. But from reading the posts here, one would get the impression that if we got rid of them, or killed them, we'd be back to the happy days again.)


    The thing about the constant attacking of politicians really annoys me. These people may be incompetant, but it's the voters who put them in. It is probably the vicious attitude of the general rabble that stop more competent people from standing. I reckon that most of them are trying to do at least some good. Some probably like the "being in charge" or "being in the limelight" aspect, but most probably still are trying to do what they think is right within their constraints.

    I have no politican affiliation of any sort. I'd categorise myself as slightly left of centre as regards social issues, but slightly right of centre as regards fiscal and financial things. I'd try to be practical about things but at the same time you also have to try to help the people who fall between the cracks. But you should try to do that without letting lazy people take advantage. You should encourage and reward people that work hard without giving them too much power. Obviosly everyone thinks they work hard, but I honestly know a lot of people who work harder than me, and I know a lot who try less than me.


    So basically, if you were put in charge for a week and given the opportunity to make any changes you wanted, what would you do? Only intelligent and reasonable answers please. None of this "
    I'd just have to tell Merkel and the Troika to f***k off and we'd all be grand then" or "I'd just make the rich/bankers/politicians pay their share of tax and then the rest of us would be fine". i.e you have to think more than one step into the future!

    For example, I recall listening to the Gerry Adams interview where he claimed he'd take unilateral action against the Troika. The extreme left wing harp on about "x amount of billions owned by the top 5%" but a large proportion of that is probably not liquid. It might be in the form of property or business. To monetise it, it would have to be sold to someone else. Eventually it would need to be sold to the outsiders to bring money into the country. So when I hear SF and extreme left saying stuff like this, the logical extension and final step in such a process is not "redistribute wealth to the poor" (a la Zimbabwean style where you just destroy the country... but at least there are no more wealthy.....but everyone is far far poorer) but more of a "sieze their assets and sell the countryto outsiders:" (Brits?) bit by bit. As I said, I'm fiscally conservative and those people are entitled to their opinions, but they should spell out the consequences, or expected consequences, of those decisions.

    Would I want to be a politician? - No. Because even though I would want to be fair and I would honestly try my best, and with good intentions, to serve the people, I know that there would be anonymous people on message boards calling me stupid or threatening what they would do to me if I landed at their door. Because it is impossible to have an efficient and fully functioning system where everyone is happy unless you are just building up problems for the person coming after you to sort. I think people should have more repect for the people who do stand for election and try to make difficult choices. It is easy to shout and pontificate when you are an independent because you never have to actually do what you propose, and thus never have to deal with the consequences.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YOh-rpvjYg


    Wow, that post is a whole load of hot air.

    What would YOU do? You've proposed nothing.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,127 ✭✭✭yore


    Snowie wrote: »
    Im sorry i didn't realize you had sand in your Man/vagina :rolleyes:


    There's another one there with a title about hair removing cream.
    You should enjoy that.

    Go off now and play with you special friends and leave the grown ups to discuss something.

    Here's a tip, if you have nothing to add to a topic...... then don't! It will only make you look stupid


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