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Should horse racing be banned?

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  • #422
    Seomra Mushie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 548 ✭✭✭Seomra Mushie


    Harry Angstrom wrote: »
    This thread really is a waste of time because it's impossible to have a reasoned debate with people who haven't a clue of the subject. Good luck.

    I find this thread interesting because it's amazing how defensive some defenders of horse-racing are, to the point of getting stroppy and insulting people. Why so defensive? If you are assured in your position, why?


  • #423
    Seomra Mushie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 548 ✭✭✭Seomra Mushie


    later12 wrote: »
    You and others are making some absolutely bizarre claims like participants in racing being only in it for the money, or horses' reticences on the racetrack.

    That's hardly bizarre, of course money is a motivator! :)


  • #424
    UrbanSea
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,335 ✭✭✭✭UrbanSea


    Seomra Mushie wrote: »
    I find this thread interesting because it's amazing how defensive some defenders of horse-racing are, to the point of getting stroppy and insulting people. Why so defensive? If you are assured in your position, why?

    I've asked you,but you failed to respond. When did I insult you?


  • #425
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,626 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    kfallon wrote: »

    You won't know about it because you won't care

    That's an asinine statement. What exactly is it that makes you think that I won't care about the next horse to be killed on the track? I've already said that I don't watch the sport, so the only way I'd know about a future death is if it was reported. And it will be, here. Just because I don't watch the sport doesn't mean that I know nothing about it. I don't watch Cricket or American Football but still have a fairly good understanding of the sports.

    I'm really not sure why you're being so defensive. Do you seriously not believe that some steps could be taken in order to reduce the risk posed to horses in the National?

    Only 37% of horses finished the race yesterday. It's easier to predict that at least one horse will die in the race than it is to predict the winner. It's not sporting when the result depends so heavily on blind chance.. it's more like fcuking bingo.


  • #426
    UrbanSea
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,335 ✭✭✭✭UrbanSea


    Seomra Mushie wrote: »
    That's hardly bizarre, of course money is a motivator! :)

    If you aim to make a profit, owning a horse is not for you.

    Owning a horse is for the love of the horses, the sport and with some luck, you may win a race, a small few will have one good enough to win more than one. A minute amount will make money from a horse.


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  • #427
    kfallon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,775 ✭✭✭✭kfallon


    Micky Dolenz wrote: »
    Heh, good deduction Watson.

    Even when I was a stable hand I had little interest in the sport, unless it was one of our own horses running or one I had worked with. I never gambled.which is funny as ive probably been to every race course in the country as a stable hand I did it as I grew up around them so had little choice really. I love horses and
    Love to ride And their is nothing better then riding a thoroughbred.

    I never intended to make a career of it and once I left home that was it.

    But not the ones that aren't circular ;)


  • #428
    UrbanSea
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,335 ✭✭✭✭UrbanSea


    My name is URL wrote: »
    That's an asinine statement. What exactly is it that makes you think that I won't care about the next horse to be killed on the track? I've already said that I don't watch the sport, so the only way I'd know about a future death is if it was reported. And it will be, here. Just because I don't watch the sport doesn't mean that I know nothing about it. I don't watch Cricket or American Football but still have a fairly good understanding of the sports.

    I'm really not sure why you're being so defensive. Do you seriously not believe that some steps could be taken in order to reduce the risk posed to horses in the National?

    Only 37% of horses finished the race yesterday. It's easier to predict that at least one horse will die in the race than it is to predict the winner. It's not sporting when the result depends so heavily on blind chance.. it's more like fcuking bingo.

    Any racing fan will tell you that this is true. Every race has an element of luck to it, luck has a huge amount to do with a victory in the National.


  • #429
    Liamario
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,096 ✭✭✭Liamario


    zerks wrote: »
    I hate to be callous but they are only horses.

    I hate this phrase; they're only <insert animal name here>.
    You are only an animal yourself. Who says you have the right to live and not be treated like a toy. Get off your pedestal and realise that you aren't anything special.


  • #430
    Seomra Mushie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 548 ✭✭✭Seomra Mushie


    UrbanSea wrote: »
    I've asked you,but you failed to respond. When did I insult you?

    "better debate with a horse", "idiotic statement" etc. etc.


  • #431
    louthguy25
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 164 ✭✭louthguy25


    I hate horses so yes


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  • #432
    Huntley
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 878 ✭✭✭Huntley


    DB10 wrote: »
    No, and I don't intend to. Seeing animals forced to run and be whipped for peoples entertainment. It's like the Colloseum in Rome ffs.

    Makes for interesting reading from somebody who describes horse racing as "seeing animals forced to run and whipped for people's entertainment".

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=71230251


  • #433
    kfallon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,775 ✭✭✭✭kfallon


    My name is URL wrote: »
    Only 37% of horses finished the race yesterday. It's easier to predict that at least one horse will die in the race than it is to predict the winner. It's not sporting when the result depends so heavily on blind chance.. it's more like fcuking bingo.

    How many horse do you think will die at Leopardstwon today then?


  • #434
    kfallon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,775 ✭✭✭✭kfallon


    Huntley wrote: »
    Makes for interesting reading from somebody who describes horse racing as "seeing animals forced to run and whipped for people's entertainment".

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=71230251

    :D:D:D


  • #435
    lividduck
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,250 ✭✭✭lividduck


    DB10 wrote: »
    Synchronise didnt want to run yesterday. It was clear from the start, he delayed the race by 10 minutes because he didn't want to run.

    Yet he was forced to because so many people had money bet on him. And now hes dead. There needs to be a thorough investigation into these circumstances.

    He was never upto this race so soon after the Gold Cup.
    Complete bollocks!But then again what would a highly repected trainer like Jonjo O'Neill know compared your obvious in depth knowledge.


  • #436
    UrbanSea
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,335 ✭✭✭✭UrbanSea


    Seomra Mushie wrote: »
    "better debate with a horse", "idiotic statement" etc. etc.

    The first was a hyperbole, my apologies if it offended. Though it was in reponse to an idiotic statement you made in which you totally ignored my constructive and knowledgable post.

    Also, I said your statement was idiotic, not that you're an idiot. I may say some stupid things, though that doesn't make me stupid.

    I never insulted you.


  • #437
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,626 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    kfallon wrote: »
    How many horse do you think will die at Leopardstwon today then?

    I don't know. And it's entirely irrelevant to what I was saying.

    Do you not want to answer the question I asked you above?


  • #438
    later12
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,298 ✭✭✭✭later12


    Seomra Mushie wrote: »
    That's hardly bizarre, of course money is a motivator! :)
    I'm saying there is an implication that some people are only in it for the money. Everyone has to pay bills, but I'd encourage you to try a career in the world of horses and then see how many bills you can afford to pay.

    I think this is especially irritating to read from you people, because anyone with horses knows that making a lot of money from them is the exception to the rule. Most people break their backs and the bank balances looking after their animals, and they do it for an enthusiasm for sport horses of all shapes and kinds, depending on their personal interests.

    These people are getting up at the crack of dawn, tacking up, riding out, mucking out and feeding their animals before they even have breakfast. They spend all their time around these animals for what are usually piss poor incomes, checking on them for injuries, watching their wellbeing, seeing to their veterinary and nutritional health... I cannot think of another type of animal that is so widely and consistently and professionally monitored for his happiness and wellbeing, and usually to the detriment of his owner's finances (and most horse people wouldn't have it any other way).

    I'm bowing out of this discussion because as others have said, it's impossible to have a logical debate with someone who is convinced they are correct and appears to have absolutely no evidence or experience to back up their irrational and outlandish outbursts on this subject.


  • #439
    Chucky the tree
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    I can only presume everyone who wants it banned is a vegetarian.


  • #440
    xzanti
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 10,464 Mod ✭✭✭✭xzanti


    lividduck wrote: »
    Complete bollocks!But then again what would a highly repected trainer like Jonjo O'Neill know compared your obvious in depth knowledge.

    I didn't watch the race, I don't watch racing at all but I've heard it brought up in conversations (was at a 30th last night and it was a popular topic) that the horse looked nervous and agitated at the beginning of the race..


  • #441
    UrbanSea
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,335 ✭✭✭✭UrbanSea


    xzanti wrote: »
    I didn't watch the race, I don't watch racing at all but I've heard it brought up in conversations (was at a 30th last night and it was a popular topic) that the horse looked nervous and agitated at the beginning of the race..

    Which is not uncommon, as has been discussed.


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  • #442
    kfallon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,775 ✭✭✭✭kfallon


    xzanti wrote: »
    I didn't watch the race, I don't watch racing at all but I've heard it brought up in conversations (was at a 30th last night and it was a popular topic) that the horse looked nervous and agitated at the beginning of the race..

    How many of thee 22 players who started the FA Cup semi final do you reckon were nervous and agitated? Do you think they shouldn't have played because of it?


  • #443
    byhookorbycrook
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 12,561 Mod ✭✭✭✭byhookorbycrook


    DB10 wrote: »
    No, and I don't intend to. Seeing animals forced to run and be whipped for peoples entertainment. It's like the Colloseum in Rome ffs.

    I have't been to dog fighting yards either and I have no wish to.
    Ok, one more time, you cannot force a horse to something it does not want to do. This applies to every type of horse from my little fat cob who refuses to pass a field with sheep in it to the most elite of our eventers/jumpers/racehorses.


  • #444
    xzanti
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 10,464 Mod ✭✭✭✭xzanti


    Chucky the tree wrote: »
    I can only presume everyone who wants it banned is a vegetarian.

    No, I am a meat eater.. but I don't watch cows being slaughtered for entertainment on a Sunday afternoon.. I know that animals die every day on farms and in abattoirs.. but they are killed for food, not for sport..

    I think there is a difference..

    Again, let me reiterate, I know they don't ALL die on the track.. but it seems to be quite common.


  • #445
    Seamus145
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8 ✭Seamus145


    If they ban racing, they might as well ban boxing and cross country running as well


  • #446
    tfitzgerald
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,290 ✭✭✭tfitzgerald


    To ban horse racing , this is more P C sh1tology. Christ soon we will be able to do nothing


  • #447
    kfallon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,775 ✭✭✭✭kfallon


    My name is URL wrote: »
    I'm really not sure why you're being so defensive. Do you seriously not believe that some steps could be taken in order to reduce the risk posed to horses in the National?

    Is this the question you want me to answer? What do you suggest, have a 4m 4f bumper? They have made steps to make it safer but reducing the size of the fences isn't exactly the best way to increase safety.

    And for the record I am not a fan of the GN but i don't like people's annual crusade against horse racing that lasts a couple of days each April.


  • #448
    xzanti
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 10,464 Mod ✭✭✭✭xzanti


    kfallon wrote: »
    How many of thee 22 players who started the FA Cup semi final do you reckon were nervous and agitated? Do you think they shouldn't have played because of it?

    Humans


  • #449
    UrbanSea
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,335 ✭✭✭✭UrbanSea


    xzanti wrote: »
    No, I am a meat eater.. but I don't watch cows being slaughtered for entertainment on a Sunday afternoon.. I know that animals die every day on farms and in abattoirs.. but they are killed for food, not for sport..

    I think there is a difference..

    Again, let me reiterate, I know they don't ALL die on the track.. but it seems to be quite common.

    In fairness xzanti I can understand how it looks to people who may only watch it for the National. I can understand people having an issue with the National, though to suggest that all horse racing should be banned is a bit over the top.

    The number of fatalities in racing is actually very low, though this isn't perceived in the media.


  • #450
    kfallon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,775 ✭✭✭✭kfallon


    xzanti wrote: »
    Again, let me reiterate, I know they don't ALL die on the track.. but it seems to be quite common.

    Got stats to back that up?


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  • #451
    ppink
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,458 ✭✭✭ppink


    you wont force a horse to do something it does not want to but really racing is instinctual is it not? when you have prey animals all running together it is in their interest to run?
    I think it was Luca Cumani I saw interviewed who said that horse racing is all about harnessing the horses fear.


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