Over 20% of Irish children report hearing voices

ejmaztec · 12-04-2012 03:04PM

kylith wrote: »

I'm willing to bet that 19% of Irish kids answered Yes just to wind up the researcher.

Only because the voices told them to.:eek:

foxyboxer · 12-04-2012 03:05PM

I hear this voice when I'm in the car.

I think he said his name is Matt Cooper.

Sometimes he talks to friends too.

Duh.

al28283 · 12-04-2012 03:08PM

Dave! wrote: »

That's because children are more in tune with the spirit world. As they grow older, society conditions them to ignore the voices and to conform.

whats your source for this?

mathie · 12-04-2012 03:09PM

al28283 wrote: »

whats your source for this?

The Daily Mail.

JohnMarston · 12-04-2012 03:11PM

I hear voices in my head, They council me, They understand, They talk to me ...

haminka · 12-04-2012 03:12PM

mathie wrote: »

People outside Dublin don't count.

Creatures living outside Dublin don't count as people.

Seachmall · 12-04-2012 03:20PM

haminka wrote: »

Creatures living outside Dublin don't count as people.

I am not a creature! I am not an animal! I am a human being! I ... am ... a ... man!

CrazyRabbit · 12-04-2012 04:57PM

20% of Irish children are thieving bastards. I wonder if there is a correlation?

(For those of you without that inner voice telling you already...I'm only joking)

Dave! · 12-04-2012 05:19PM

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al28283 wrote: »

Dave! wrote: »

That's because children are more in tune with the spirit world. As they grow older, society conditions them to ignore the voices and to conform.

whats your source for this?

It's pretty standard science tbh, look it up

xsiborg · 12-04-2012 05:28PM

i had an imaginary friend too when i was younger, he did all kinds of shít and somehow i got the blame for it! when i tried to say "milko told me to do it", my parents didnt believe me, then milko would laugh at me over my shoulder. he disappeared though for some reason when i went through my "i think i might be gay" phase in puberty! :pac:

cloptrop · 12-04-2012 05:38PM

My dad was fixing the washing machine when I was a kid. Heleft loads of bolts and washers on the floor. I knew I wasnt to eat them but a voice told me "HE WOULDNT HAVE LEFT THEM THERE IF YOU ARNT SUPPOSED TO EAT THEM"
Casualty -x ray - very painful poo later , I never trusted the voices again .

Doc Ruby · 12-04-2012 05:52PM

Psychiatry! Its almost science.

later12 · 12-04-2012 05:58PM

From the report:
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ounger adolescents had a higher prevalence (21–23%) of psychotic symptoms than older adolescents (7%). In both age groups the majority of adolescents who reported psychotic symptoms had at least one diagnosable non-psychotic psychiatric disorder, although associations with psychopathology increased with age: nearly 80% of the mid- adolescence sample who reported psychotic symptoms had at least one diagnosis, compared with 57% of the early adolescence sample. Adolescents who reported psychotic symptoms were at particularly high risk of having multiple co-occurring diagnoses.

I think it's fair to say there is more going on here than daydreaming.

There is a correlation that I think could actually be useful as a screening tool in assessing children's mental health.

Maybe this is something we should be asking all children?

Cork boy 55 · 12-04-2012 06:02PM

it's like a story off the onion news network

Fluorescence · 12-04-2012 06:04PM

I remember once having an auditory hallucination. It was when I drifting off to sleep one night and it sounded (clear as day) as if someone was speaking right beside my ear. I can't remember what it was now, but it was a deep man's voice.

Hasn't happened before or since then. Weird.

cloptrop · 12-04-2012 06:05PM

Jim Corr told me that once all the children are medicated Ronald McDonald can rise again.
If you dig through the crazy stuff maybe hes onto something.

face1990 · 12-04-2012 06:31PM

Reminds me of that South Park episode where Butters is diagnosed with multiple personalities, after they notice him slipping in and out of multiple personas while he's playing, including inspector Butters & fireman Butters.

But wait, the study is saying that psychotic symptom correlate with non-psychotic diagnoses? I don't know a whole lot about psychology but that doesn't make sense to me.
And the rate of psychosis diagnosed in the older age group was significantly lower that the younger age group? That also doesn't make sense, other than to say that these symptoms go away by themselves over the space of a few years (in which case it's a non-issue).

IM0 · 12-04-2012 06:36PM

face1990 wrote: »

Reminds me of that South Park episode where Butters is diagnosed with multiple personalities, after they notice him slipping in and out of multiple personas while he's playing, including inspector Butters & fireman Butters.

But wait, the study is saying that psychotic symptom correlate with non-psychotic diagnoses? I don't know a whole lot about psychology but that doesn't make sense to me.

it is actually normal to hear auditory hallucinations*, it only becomes a diagnosis when it becomes a problem when it is prolonged and cyclical and interferes with your normal everyday life.

*source: consultant psychiatrist and family friend

psychosis is like a bad trip without taking acid, they both get worse the more you believe your symtoms are real, and both wont end well the longer you cling to the belief it is real

xsiborg · 12-04-2012 06:51PM

IM0 wrote: »

it is actually normal to hear auditory hallucinations*, it only becomes a diagnosis when it becomes a problem when it is prolonged and cyclical and interferes with your normal everyday life.

*source: consultant psychiatrist and family friend

psychosis is like a bad trip without taking acid, they both get worse the more you believe your symtoms are real, and both wont end well the longer you cling to the belief it is real

thanks for that IMO 'cause i was the same as faces1990, couldnt make head nor tails of what they were trying to say either!

i do believe though they used a very small sample group and although i imagine they were thorough in their testing, i dont know if i'd honestly believe in the whole idea of diagnosing children with disorders, especially psychiatric or psychotic disorders while their brains are still developing.

children go through different phases and i just wonder are the people who carried out this study WANTING to find something as opposed to questioning whether something exists if that makes sense?

reminds me a bit of those paranormal investigations they do on tv where they want to believe in the paranormal as opposed to finding out a creaking door just needs a squirt of oil or whatever!

snafuk35 · 12-04-2012 08:04PM

The greatest mythology would be nothing without the voices.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8mJwgPiarg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LTsvOHq3xc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrcwJXCLdT0

Doc Ruby · 12-04-2012 08:07PM

xsiborg wrote: »

reminds me a bit of those paranormal investigations they do on tv where they want to believe in the paranormal as opposed to finding out a creaking door just needs a squirt of oil or whatever!

Its self reinforcing alright. Remember this is the same industry that classified homosexuality as a sickness almost till the 80s, and today prescribes some very serious medication for "hyperactive" children across the US. Keep them the hell away from the kids. Psychotic symptoms my pasty buttocks.

LH Pathe · 13-04-2012 12:12AM

Maybe if they knew people simply do not 'hear voices' and those that claim to are effectively crying out to be admitted in aswering yes to this make or break question they'd not do it.

It's a bit strange though isn't it.. Kids. Usually doing their damndest to fit in and not be outcast as 'weirdo'.. most strange. 20%, at that

cianisgood · 13-04-2012 01:47AM

their making it up i had one of them surveys when i was around 11
have you had sex? yes
do you smoke? yes
do you do drugs? yes
hadn't done any of those things but i was a messer and i would imagine 20% of kids now a days would be the same

44leto · 13-04-2012 01:54AM

I heard voices the odd time, I never thought anything of it, I just assumed everyone else did as well. But if I had had known that was a symptom of mental illness, what would my young mind have thought then, I think I was better off not knowing.

Watch the epidemic of mental illness occur in the next few weeks or months because of this research. I would also like to see how they compose their results, if it was a questionnaire only I would dismiss it. I was a teenager once and i was not a reliable subject for any research. It would literally depend on the mood I was in and as an adolescent that swung faster then Tarzan.

Chuck Stone · 13-04-2012 04:07AM

If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

Abraham Maslow.

Seachmall · 13-04-2012 09:08AM

Chuck Stone wrote: »

If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

Begs the question, how does a hooker put up a shelf?

kylith · 13-04-2012 10:21AM

xsiborg wrote: »

thanks for that IMO 'cause i was the same as faces1990, couldnt make head nor tails of what they were trying to say either!

i do believe though they used a very small sample group and although i imagine they were thorough in their testing, i dont know if i'd honestly believe in the whole idea of diagnosing children with disorders, especially psychiatric or psychotic disorders while their brains are still developing.

children go through different phases and i just wonder are the people who carried out this study WANTING to find something as opposed to questioning whether something exists if that makes sense?

reminds me a bit of those paranormal investigations they do on tv where they want to believe in the paranormal as opposed to finding out a creaking door just needs a squirt of oil or whatever!

I wouldn't be at all surprised to see younger kids diagnosed with more mental problems than older ones. Until they're around 10 they're little sociopaths, which is completely normal. Kids aren't born with social skills like empathy or altruism, so it stands to reason that they'd test as psychotic.

Doc Ruby · 13-04-2012 11:23AM

kylith wrote: »

I wouldn't be at all surprised to see younger kids diagnosed with more mental problems than older ones. Until they're around 10 they're little sociopaths, which is completely normal. Kids aren't born with social skills like empathy or altruism, so it stands to reason that they'd test as psychotic.

No, a "psychotic" in the clinical sense isn't usually someone who runs around murdering people in imaginative ways, its a term used to describe a wide variety of mental illnesses which wouldn't manifest themselves violently. Clinically for example, religion is psychosis.

Applying these already dubious concepts to juveniles - and then hitting the headlines with it - is well worthy of a good old fashioned running out of the country on a rail.

This is creating a nonexistent problem, raising hysteria over it, then "heroically" presenting an expensive solution.

kylith · 13-04-2012 12:16PM

Doc Ruby wrote: »

No, a "psychotic" in the clinical sense isn't usually someone who runs around murdering people in imaginative ways, its a term used to describe a wide variety of mental illnesses which wouldn't manifest themselves violently. Clinically for example, religion is psychosis.

Applying these already dubious concepts to juveniles - and then hitting the headlines with it - is well worthy of a good old fashioned running out of the country on a rail.

This is creating a nonexistent problem, raising hysteria over it, then "heroically" presenting an expensive solution.

Thanks for clearing that up.

I think what I meant was that there's no point in diagnosing kids, who are still developing mentally, with mental issues that probably won't be there when they reach adulthood. By your definition having an imaginary friend is a psychosis, but that's considered perfectly normal in childhood.

paddyandy · 13-04-2012 12:32PM

Anybody listening in dead silence for long enough will hear voices but i believe they are only echoes of some sort .I'm not bothered by them and rarely hear them as they are very faint .It's never anything useful and very short lived . That DUD profession called Psychiatry makes a lot of readies out of such nonsense as do it's well heeled accomplice the drug industry .The profession with it's accomplice does some good though and that should'nt be forgotten .

Over 20% of Irish children report hearing voices

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