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Sashmo wrote: »

I've been looking at lots of stoves recently. I've finally decided on a Hunter 80b. Does anyone have any experience with one of these before I finally go ahead?
The house is a large bungalow with 14 rads.

Hi three reviews here.

http://www.whatstove.co.uk/hunter-stoves/hunter-herald-80b-boiler-stove.html

Don't have any direct experience but the hunter stoves are not the best for quality. Personally myself I like the sound of the aarrow EB18HE Check if the room output is the same etc.

Edit. just looked 10kw to room 16kw to water for the hunter, It's too expensive too. I personally would consider this instead. Quicker heat up more modern heating performance design.
http://www.stratfordboilerstoves.co.uk/models/freestanding-stoves/eb18-he.html
http://www.stovesareus.co.uk/catalog/aarrow-stratford-eco-18-he-multifuel-woodburning-boiler-stove-p-6895.html

Stove Fan:)

Thanks for your reply. I've read the three customer reviews one disappointed and two content!
I've taken a look at the stoves you recommended. I'm just not mad about the appearance. This was something I liked about the Hunter. Well we're going to be looking at it for years to come. Sure it's pricey. If I was lucky not to be the one customer disappointed ... would it be worth it for ticking all the boxes.
Sorry if I sound like I'm asking for advice but going to do it my way. It's that we've looked at so many stoves by now they're all beginning to look really ugly!
Thanks.

Gerard93 wrote: »

Hi all,
I have a stove about 3 years old, the circular grate is buckling badly, I am trying to get a replacement grate, any shops, I enquire from are looking for a make and model if possible. I cannot find the documentation that came with it and the shop I bought it from has ceased trading. Any ideas from attached pictures what make/model this stove is??? Thanks.

Hi just did a search for it on the www.

Its made by Evergreen and is a poplar model. Your hearth isn't deep enough!!

See http://www.stovesareus.co.uk/catalog/evergreen-st0406-poplar-multifuel-woodburning-stove-p-528.html
Can't help with spares here but worth a look on google.ie as well.
http://www.stovesareus.co.uk/catalog/evergreen-stove-spares-c-237_238.html
http://www.google.co.uk/#hl=en&sclient=psy-ab&q=evergreen+stoves+spares&oq=evergreen+stoves&aq=3&aqi=g4&aql=&gs_l=hp.1.3.0l4.1483l6383l0l11025l16l13l0l3l3l0l1334l4092l0j8j0j1j7-2l14l0.frgbld.&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=f50007041a11e111&biw=1311&bih=599

Stove Fan:)

doniepony wrote: »

Thanks Stovefan,

Yes, there will be a 6-8 stove connector from the stove to the clay liners. There are clay liners all the way up then with 2 turns, the first is a 45 degree bend right near the top of the first floor ceiling but as I wanted to put in a window in an upstairs bathroom I had to put another smaller turn (not sure exactly what angle) at concrete slab level.

I suppose thats why I am a bit worried- if a flue liner with vermiculite would help then I would do it. I am also a bit worried about not getting enough draw up the chimney.

What do you think Stovefan and thanks again for taking the time to reply.

Hi:) I would definately line the flue and backfill with vermiculite if you can go the extra.
It will help the draw on the flue and make sweeping a doddle. No chance of any tar seeping out either with the liner.

Stove Fan:)

Gerard93 wrote: »

Thanks Stove Fan, will have a look at those links.



What do you mean by this, whats the alternative, appreciate your suggestions?

Hi:) What your stove is sitting on should extend forward at least 9 inches infront of a closed stove and 6 inches either side. This is to protect the floor of falling embers from opening the door and the stove from heating up the floor too much. You could just get a piece of marble/granite cut and cement it down infront of the current piece.

Stove Fan:)

Stove Fan wrote: »

Hi:) What your stove is sitting on should extend forward at least 9 inches infront of a closed stove and 6 inches either side. This is to protect the floor of falling embers from opening the door and the stove from heating up the floor too much. You could just get a piece of marble/granite cut and cement it down infront of the current piece.

Stove Fan:)

Were you making the hearth comment seperate to the grate query (i.e.: just as an aside, or did you think the grate buckled b/c the hearth's too small)?

I question this b/c our hearth is enormous - both in front & on either side of our stove, and our 4-yr old grate has recently buckled. Wondering if the grate buckling is something w/ Evergreen b/c our stove is an Evergreen (not same model). We didn't think the buckling was even possible (we never burn our fires that hot) and now have to track down a replacement...if it's something w/ Evergreen I wonder if they would have some form of guarantee? The retail shop we bought from is long out of business so it's anyone's guess.

EDIT: Looking back over the thread (this is my first visit here), Stove Fan you really seem to know your stuff. We're in a desperate fix for the draw of our stove & have some pretty complicated specs to deal with. Would it be ok for me to PM you for some help?

Stove Fan wrote: »

I'm very sorry to hear of your bad experiance with the stove fitters. Don't be too put off as youll love your stove when you have it:) I can't help with installers here as I'm a plumber and fitted my own. At least the fitters have admitted there is a problem and is coming to re do the damage.

An insert stove sounds like the best plan and takes about 4 hours work in a good condition chimney and flat fronted fireplace. This slope at the back sounds like the clay fireback. Some inset stoves are designed to leave this in place and some you have to chop it out. Either way it shouldn't of been a disaster:mad:

If you could PM or post a photo of your fireplace I'll advice on the best course of action:)

Stove Fan:)

Thanks so much for your advise, sincerely appreciated. I've been thinking long and hard about it and I am afraid to go for another insert now as this one was such a disaster. We have been discussing the Oisin or the Oscar. My room is a strange sharp L shape. My sitting room where the stove will be is 13x12 (stove will be 5.5 feet away from couch) with a double door sized arch opening to diningroom/kitchen which is 12x20. Baring in mind that we sit 5.5ft away from where the stove will be.. I don't want the stove to be so huge that this part of the room will be too hot that we can't sit here. Do you have any suggestions or tips as to what would suit?

Thanks so much Stovefan - you knowledge is absolutely invaluable.

I'll definitely look into the woodwarm.

Bultaco wrote:

Could anyone recommend a boiler stove (around 17KW to 20 KW) that could be used in a closed system i.e. without a tank in the attic ?

Building a house in Germany but I just can't seem to find a nice stove here and they don't have a decent KW output as far as I can see.

Contact the civil engineer or architect. There are a lot of rules in Germany to be considered.
"Decent kW output(-s)" are illegal, the energy demand for new builds musts be calculated (for example with EN12831).
Self installs are illegal (above 7 kW).
Tank-fed tin cans you'll hardly find in Germany, most boilers are pressurised.

At least two official trades have to sign-off and comission the first installation:the chimney sweep (Schornsteinfeger) and the heating system installer(Heizungsbauer).

There are only very large new buildings with a thermal energy demand you have mentioned. I wonder if there is some professional involved in the project? This would be the right person to contact.

Boiler = Heizungskessel
Boiler which looks like a stove = Ofen mit Wassertasche

A thread opened by me in this forum (now locked,vested interests) leads to the latest EU regulations concerning pressurised systems ( from 0.5 bar).
This EU directive is legally binding for the entire EU since last year, in Germany similar legislations are legally binding since more than 100 years.
The TUeV was founded by boiler manufacturers after all.

In short: the standard boiler stove installations as usually done in Ireland are illegal. But that was the reason why this thread (about the EU boiler directive)was locked. Most installers would end-up in the courts declaring themself bankrupt. Many homes would have no legal heating system, being worthless assets. Poor Nama, poor banks, poor plumbers.

So contact professionals in Germany, the Baukammer/Handwerkskammer/your planner will have plenty of adresses.


PS
Here the link to the locked thread:

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=77130084

Ruby Girl wrote:

Is it easy enough to get a replacement seal for around the door of a stove. Ours gone and the stove is now burning to quickly.

Yes. Most stove/boiler outlets and plumbing shops have the material. Bring the old one with you, there are different diameters and qualities.

Since vitreous fibres are carcinogenic ask for the product safety data sheet as well, the trader must be able to provide the client with it.

a.tuijs wrote: »

I am intending on installing a multifuel stove with boiler (to heat rads and hot water) in my sitting room which is 4m x 5,8m. I have 14 rads which include one towel rails. I have some double rads which I have counted as two.
The rad dimensions are as follows
1x 50cm x 52cm (Double)
2x 100cm x 52
1x 130cm x 52
1x 80cm x 52
1x 50cm x 52
1x 90cm x 52 (Double)
2x 148cm x 52 (double)
1 x 120cm x 50 towel rails

I had been considering Boru Th carraig Mor 20kw


I would appreciate any advice or ideas that you can give. I have been looking at stoves for ages and the little more i know the more confused i get. I really would like to make a decision soon.

Many thanks.

Hi based on those radiator sizes and numbers and your hot water requirements your looking for a boiler stove with a rated boiler output of 15kw to water and 4-5kw max to room.

The carraig mor 20kw looks a good option as it has 16kw to water and 4kw to room. I have no direct experience of these stoves though.

There is this also but I don't know if they are any good. glenmore-20b-boiler-stove 15kw to water and 5kw to room.

Stove Fan:)

heinbloed wrote: »

Bultaco wrote:



Contact the civil engineer or architect. There are a lot of rules in Germany to be considered.
"Decent kW output(-s)" are illegal, the energy demand for new builds musts be calculated (for example with EN12831).
Self installs are illegal (above 7 kW).
Tank-fed tin cans you'll hardly find in Germany, most boilers are pressurised.

At least two official trades have to sign-off and comission the first installation:the chimney sweep (Schornsteinfeger) and the heating system installer(Heizungsbauer).

There are only very large new buildings with a thermal energy demand you have mentioned. I wonder if there is some professional involved in the project? This would be the right person to contact.

Boiler = Heizungskessel
Boiler which looks like a stove = Ofen mit Wassertasche

A thread opened by me in this forum (now locked,vested interests) leads to the latest EU regulations concerning pressurised systems ( from 0.5 bar).
This EU directive is legally binding for the entire EU since last year, in Germany similar legislations are legally binding since more than 100 years.
The TUeV was founded by boiler manufacturers after all.

In short: the standard boiler stove installations as usually done in Ireland are illegal. But that was the reason why this thread (about the EU boiler directive)was locked. Most installers would end-up in the courts declaring themself bankrupt. Many homes would have no legal heating system, being worthless assets. Poor Nama, poor banks, poor plumbers.

So contact professionals in Germany, the Baukammer/Handwerkskammer/your planner will have plenty of adresses.


PS
Here the link to the locked thread:

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=77130084

Hi heinbloed,


Thanks for all that....we have a heating expert but he doesnt know too much about stoves. In Munich there are stoves but they are all narrow and tall and all about 7kw,

The ones in Ireland and the Uk are much nicer but they have no tank in the attic and they are a closed system.

Also a pressurised system ,solid fuel, double sided, inset is hard to find

Hi am looking for advice i am putting in a free standing stove 10kg the more i look the more confused i am.Why do the prices vary so much i know the boiler ones are more expensive but even the prices on the free standing ones go from 400 to 2,000. i also need some advice i was told it is better to use my chimney instead of a flue so i decided to get my chimney checked some one came out today and told me he would clean it and inspect the chimney for a 150euro i thought this was expensive or am i out of touch with the cost of things. I would be so grateful if someone could answer these questions. Thanks Yvonne

Dear Stove Fan,
I am back again, had a fire in my chimney a few months ago, so thought it was a very expensive way to clean the chimney. I have had a fire going in it since. Now I decided before putting in my 904/904 flue, which you recommended some time ago, that I would sweep it last week-end. I thought it was unflued, but the chimney sweep man managed to dislodge a part of a flue which we think is asbestos, maybe not. Now I do not know if there are more flues up there and if so can the stainless steel flexi be put through this other existing flue. I imagine it will be problematic to remove an asbestos flue if it exists. It will be backfilled with vermiculite. Please I should be most grateful for any advice that you have to give me. Once again you are worth your weight in gold.
many thanks

Thank you so much for the advice.I will check out the web site u gave me and also get more quotes on the cleaning of chimney.Thats what i thought u do get what u pay for. Thanks so much.