"The Origin of Specious Nonsense"

robindch wrote: »

Research indicates there are "over one hundred" clerics in the MSH, most of whom are elderly. Assuming that this means 150 clerics -- not an unreasonable assumption, I hope -- that gives a abuser rate of rate of a little over 2.5%.

recedite wrote: »

And assuming a rate of 2.6 closet paedophiles to every active child abuser, -- not an unreasonable assumption, I hope -- that gives a paedophile rate of 6.5% >>>>> quickly exiting stage left :pac:

Penn wrote: »

Yeah, but there were 61.53846154 priests working there. If 4 priests were involved, that's 6.5% of them!

*runs away*

You cant laugh your way out of unsupported claims.
You didn,t support the 6.5% claim
You then entered a 4% claim and that remains unsupported
Now you are fishing with a 2.5% claim.
all all you have as backup is makey up statistics.
There are standard required when yo make claims.
Provide a test that can falsify them and provide valid and reliable evidence that supports them.
You are well aware of academic standards.
treating it as a joke wont change that nor will casting disparaging or defamatory remarks on particular clerics.
Look at what happened at RTE.

Im quite happy to accept valid evidence but innuendo and false or distorted claims are not good for academic reputation or for using boards.ie as a source.

If you want to turn a&a into after hours pub talk then suit yourself.
Ill keep my standards elsewhere.

robindch wrote: »

I've explained to you perhaps five, perhaps ten, maybe fifteen times, publicly and via PM about this figure. If you find yourself still unable to understand it, then the problem is entirely yours.

you made a claim about 6.5% of offenders being priests and then you lowered oit to 4%
Both claims were false!
I under the stats very well!
You mis reported 4% of victims as 4% of offenders as i see it.

catholic priests were never 4% of offenders and you know that and you wrongly claimed it but you cant admit it.

With respect to this thread, you said that "Roman Catholics didn't vote for Hitler". I have pointed out that Catholics were the crucial voting bloc which provided Hitler with dictatorial powers.

And i posted the actual stats
Here are some charts
http://www.churchinhistory.org/images/hitler-rise/map3&4.jpg
http://www.churchinhistory.org/images/hitler-rise/map5&6.jpg

They clearly show how Catholic areas voted.

You are free to stick your fingers in your ears, go "la, la, la", waffle interminably about a wide range of irrelevant topics, produce pages of random numbers, and deny the basic facts of history if you wish.

You are the "la la " person! You claimed
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=77696548&postcount=839

177 priests ... 6.3% of the diocese

i pointed out http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=77699611&postcount=842

of the 177 some were abusers of adults etc. the ones who were possible child sex abusers were 102. the is no reason to assume half the 11 were within remit.

And how does 102 allegations become "convicted of child abuse, or who had credible allegations" apparently your standard of "credible" is "anonymous"!

Eventually in 1.13 you discover "Of the 34 priests from the Dublin Archdiocese, ten are dead, 20 are out of ministry and four are in ministry."

we can only say 11 were convicted but assume all 34 are "credible" 34:2800 = 1.2%
not 6.3%
The report itself says this figure in 1.13 and mentions 11 convictions not 34.

you also claimed the Irish catholic newspaper stated

that 4% of convicted pedophiles in Irish prisons were clerics.

Misreported by you
It actually says
Quote:
Given that clergy account for approximately 4% of abuse, Irish society has a long way to go to rooting out this evil in our midst.

which means 4% of victims are victims of clergy and NOT that 4%of abusers are clergy as you claimed!

BTW, on a mod note, would you mind using a spell checker on some or all of your posts?

Fair enough. I also have a keypad problem as it jumps to azerty sometimes.
On an academic integrity note would you mind actually doing a statistics check on the demographics of Germany in the 1930 and on the actual reported percentage of pedophile offenders who are clergy and not what you actually think the stats are?

I posted the actual percentage of Protestant catholic and mixed areas and how they voted so dont blame me if you don't understand them.

Try looking at the pictures I posted. Notice any correlations?
Catholics didn't vote for Hitler!
the roman church didn't support Hitler!
Successive popes openly opposed Hitler as did German bishops.

Your fingers are in your ears and when you make unsupported claims that are demolished you resort to complaining about the way i post and not the actual content.

Try dealing with the actual facts please.

cowzerp wrote: »

Your weak intellect has just made him decide entertaining your rubbish and mythical made up stories is a waste of time-stick to your books that where made by people with agendas of power and control.

Dear Cowzerp..
My heart is in total peace... I don't care what other think or what they decide... When your heart will in peace.. you will understand what i am saying, but the only problem is, every one can't reach this stage where i am... It's stage of total peace... It's stage where there is no anger, where there is no pain, where there is no suffering...

Sonics2k wrote: »

Quick, some get that gob****e Sean Sherlock and we can get rid of deadone and JC together!

I can't say anything about JC, but if you want to get rid of me, you must understand the philosophy of jackal..
You can't break a man the way you break a dog...or a horse. The harder you beat a man, the taller he stands. To break a man's will, to break his spirit, you have to break his mind. Men have this idea that we can fight with dignity, that it's the proper way to kill someone; it's absurd (illogical), it's anaesthetic (painkilling). We needed to endure (suffer) the bloody horror of murder. You must destroy that idea. Show them what a messy, terrible thing it is to kill a man... and then show them that you relish(enjoy) in it. Shoot the wounded, then execute the wounded; burn them. Take them in close combat, destroy their preconceptions(fixed ideas) of what a man is, and you become their personal monster. When they fear you... you become stronger, you become better. But let's never forget, it's a display, it's a posture(stanace), like a lion's roar or a gorilla thumping at his chest. If you lose yourself with display, if you succumb(surrender) to the horror... then you become the monster. You become reduced. Not more than a man, but less; and it can be fatal.

koth wrote: »

I'll let your own post answer for me.

Dear koth, i am in total peace, i don't care what other think... "Take my love, take my land / Take me where I cannot stand / I don't care, I'm still free / You can't take the sky from me / Take me out to the black / Tell 'em I ain't comin' back / Burn the land and boil the sea / You can't take the sky from me / There's no place I can be / Since I found serenity / But you can't take the sky from me "
your worldly rules can't stop my firefly... I will play what ever i want...

stoneill wrote: »

Can we get back on thread:
Creationism versus Evolution.

It's sickness to discuss Creationism versus Evolution... Creationism is a curse and evolution-ism is a curse... Let us free our soul from these curses..