Gardaí criticised over Ian Bailey investigation

berrypendel · 08-03-2012 12:58PM

lividduck wrote: »

According to two Directors of Public prosecutions he already has, but don't let the facts get in the way of smearing him

and he does not have to unless he is a suspect in a criminal investigation which the two DPP's say he is not

steddyeddy · 08-03-2012 01:36PM

Gardai recruitment needs to be really looked at. My taxs have paid for this, the mcbreaty scandal and the childabuse scandal. It seems like a boys club at the moment and im not happy funding it.

jocmilt · 02-04-2012 05:16AM

Biggins wrote: »

Again, as regards the time of her death, its now held to be untrustworthy as the investigation officers were found to have altered evidence and pressurised others to alter evidence to fit their case against Bailey.
Apparently now (for reasons I do not know why) the DPP believes that Bailey was at a kitchen table at the time of her murder.
What they know and what they have not released to the public, I suspect is being held back in case of any future possible case against someone.

I read in the DPP's report that dogs in the vicinity of Du Plantier's home were agitated from about 22:30 hrs until about midnight which is taken as a strong indication of the time of her death. Maybe you confused AM and PM? At the time in question and for some time either side of the assumed murder time Mr Bailey was in a pub in Schull in full view of many people. This, according to the DPP, is another strong indication of his innocence. Du Plantier made some phone calls up to about 23:00hrs, as I recall.

Marie Farrell says Du Plantier entered her shop in Schull earlier on Dec 22nd 1996, browsed and left without buying or taking anything with her. We know Du Plantier went to a cash machine in Schull. Farrell who has repeatedly lied to the Garda, media and committed perjury at the libel trial, said there was no contact between herself and Du Plantier nor did she mention any kind of dispute. Her husband, Christy Farrell, has since been twice convicted of assault in incidents which followed his going to the homes of persons in the area close to Du Plantiers and in Co. Longford .....

berrypendel · 05-04-2012 10:53PM

http://www.tv3.ie/3player/show/276/0/0/Specials

MagicSean · 06-04-2012 10:16AM

jocmilt wrote: »

I read in the DPP's report that dogs in the vicinity of Du Plantier's home were agitated from about 22:30 hrs until about midnight which is taken as a strong indication of the time of her death. Maybe you confused AM and PM? At the time in question and for some time either side of the assumed murder time Mr Bailey was in a pub in Schull in full view of many people. This, according to the DPP, is another strong indication of his innocence. Du Plantier made some phone calls up to about 23:00hrs, as I recall.

That means that the dogs were agitated for at least a half hour before she could have been murdered. So i don't see how that can be taken as an indication of the time of her murder.

berrypendel · 06-04-2012 11:32AM

The tv3 documentary said bailey was suspected because of a lot of detail in hs reports. Does anyone know if his reports are online anywhere

jocmilt · 08-04-2012 05:03AM

MagicSean wrote: »

That means that the dogs were agitated for at least a half hour before she could have been murdered. So i don't see how that can be taken as an indication of the time of her murder.

That was the conclusion the DPP's office came to. The DPP may have felt the murderer was prowling the area for some time prior to the attack, at a time when Bailey was in a pub in Schull. Hardly unusual. Peeping Toms are ten a penny in that part of west Cork and they are on the prowl day and night. Most of the local farmers had DNA taken early on in the investigation because their finger prints were found on the outside of the windows of Sophie's house, where they had been peeping in.

I laughed when I heard Leo Bolger say foreigners 'appreciate' the fact that west Cork locals don't 'pry'. His statement is all the funnier because he used the excuse that he had been harassed to distraction by a prying neighbour when he was in court over 'the most sophisticated drugs growing operation ever seen in West Cork'. I'm not sure I would believe anything he says anymore than I would believe Marie Farrell.

So many local suspects who like to peer into their neighbours homes for gossip made for a great many suspects without independent alibis among the native population, which made for a great many locals willing to assist in the scapegoating of Bailey.

berrypendel · 08-04-2012 08:06PM

jocmilt wrote: »

That was the conclusion the DPP's office came to. The DPP may have felt the murderer was prowling the area for some time prior to the attack, at a time when Bailey was in a pub in Schull. Hardly unusual. Peeping Toms are ten a penny in that part of west Cork and they are on the prowl day and night. Most of the local farmers had DNA taken early on in the investigation because their finger prints were found on the outside of the windows of Sophie's house, where they had been peeping in.

I laughed when I heard Leo Bolger say foreigners 'appreciate' the fact that west Cork locals don't 'pry'. His statement is all the funnier because he used the excuse that he had been harassed to distraction by a prying neighbour when he was in court over 'the most sophisticated drugs growing operation ever seen in West Cork'. I'm not sure I would believe anything he says anymore than I would believe Marie Farrell.

So many local suspects who like to peer into their neighbours homes for gossip made for a great many suspects without independent alibis among the native population, which made for a great many locals willing to assist in the scapegoating of Bailey.

pervs or gossips?

it was not on the documentary re bolger being done for pot

jocmilt · 08-04-2012 10:58PM

berrypendel wrote: »

pervs or gossips?

it was not on the documentary re bolger being done for pot

Here it is

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/kfcwcwqlcwey/rss2/

jocmilt · 09-04-2012 07:05AM

berrypendel wrote: »

The tv3 documentary said bailey was suspected because of a lot of detail in hs reports. Does anyone know if his reports are online anywhere

In fact the DPP's critique says the evidence points to Baileys innocence.

"His voluntary provision of fingerprints and a specimen of his
blood is objectively indicative of innocence."

Download a pdf of the report here;

http://www.scribd.com/doc/83548065/Sophie-Toscan-Du-Plantier-DPP-file-2001

The entire 44 page report destroys the evidence against Bailey and is even titled, "Lack of Forensic Evidence linking Ian Bailey to the murder scene."

berrypendel · 09-04-2012 08:40AM

jocmilt wrote: »

Here it is

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/kfcwcwqlcwey/rss2/

thanks i hade seen that. i wonderd why it was not in the documentary since it has a bearing on bolger's credibility..surely?

berrypendel · 09-04-2012 08:43AM

jocmilt wrote: »

In fact the DPP's critique says the evidence points to Baileys innocence.

"His voluntary provision of fingerprints and a specimen of his
blood is objectively indicative of innocence."

Download a pdf of the report here;

http://www.scribd.com/doc/83548065/Sophie-Toscan-Du-Plantier-DPP-file-2001

The entire 44 page report destroys the evidence against Bailey and is even titled, "Lack of Forensic Evidence linking Ian Bailey to the murder scene."

thanks you seem to know a lot about the area. are you from there?

Why would she have torn out her own hair, it was in her hand

I read on one site she had been attacked by horses??

berrypendel · 09-04-2012 12:21PM

jocmilt wrote: »

I read in the DPP's report that dogs in the vicinity of Du Plantier's home were agitated from about 22:30 hrs until about midnight which is taken as a strong indication of the time of her death. Maybe you confused AM and PM? At the time in question and for some time either side of the assumed murder time Mr Bailey was in a pub in Schull in full view of many people. This, according to the DPP, is another strong indication of his innocence. Du Plantier made some phone calls up to about 23:00hrs, as I recall.

the report says

Unfortunately, the forensic evidence is unable to pinpoint the time of Sophie Toscan duPlantier’s death. It is not, therefore, possible to say whether she was killed around the time that the dogs were acting strangely, or at a later time in the night or early morning.

berrypendel · 09-04-2012 12:29PM

Bailey says his stories embarrassed the police by suggesting they di d not have any idea who killed Sophie. Were they in the examiner, does anyone know where his stories were pubished?

Was his suggestion of a french connection published?

berrypendel · 09-04-2012 06:40PM

Eddie cassidy came out pretty badly but he is still writing for the examiner. Its not only the gardai that have questions to answer

jocmilt · 09-04-2012 08:16PM

berrypendel wrote: »

Why would she have torn out her own hair, it was in her hand

I read on one site she had been attacked by horses??

No, I am not from the locality. I believe that part of west Cork is the worst place to elicit the truth about the murder since the area seems to have been seeded with disinformation. That's if you can break the stony silence. As the DPP's report put it when addressing the "highly suspect" evidence of James and Geraldine Camier who run a shop in Goleen, "The most charitable interpretation that one can attribute to the Camier evidence is that
it is wholly unreliable." I would extend that caviat to anything you hear in west Cork including the presumption of Baileys guilt.

As for the hair in her hands, she was probably using her hands to protect her head.

Attacked by horses? Are you sure it wasn't little green men? Lol

berrypendel · 09-04-2012 11:02PM

jocmilt wrote: »

No, I am not from the locality. I believe that part of west Cork is the worst place to elicit the truth about the murder since the area seems to have been seeded with disinformation. That's if you can break the stony silence. As the DPP's report put it when addressing the "highly suspect" evidence of James and Geraldine Camier who run a shop in Goleen, "The most charitable interpretation that one can attribute to the Camier evidence is that
it is wholly unreliable." I would extend that caviat to anything you hear in west Cork including the presumption of Baileys guilt.

As for the hair in her hands, she was probably using her hands to protect her head.

Attacked by horses? Are you sure it wasn't little green men? Lol

seriously i saw that two up from end

berrypendel · 10-04-2012 04:50PM

I would say the gardai behave like that in alot of places. If they get the right person who will ever know what threats or inducements they offered along the way. Most people are not as strong or as smart as Bailey especially in a small rural area

There seems to be a lot of resentment of bailey. I sthat only since the cops spread lies about him or did they always resent him?. The time in nthe pub when people clapped when he and Jules had gone out and someone said he was the killer made me wonder why he would want to live in that area/ give his money to that pub/ or have members of the community in his house. Or is it just after the killing the resentment began

token101 · 10-04-2012 05:08PM

Soooo.......did he do it?????????

D Trent · 06-02-2017 12:56AM

token101 wrote: »

Soooo.......did he do it?????????

French authorities seem to think so.....
http://www.rte.ie/news/2017/0205/850299-ian-bailey/

Kristopherus · 06-02-2017 01:04AM

D Trent wrote: »

French authorities seem to think so.....
http://www.rte.ie/news/2017/0205/850299-ian-bailey/

Wonder what level of proof they have. Can the get evidence from the Gardai?

FlawedGenius · 06-02-2017 02:08AM

We all know the irish gards are one of the most corrupt in europe, nobody feels safe when there around tje complete opposite. Always an attitude problem.. Now if the Gards were not all from the back@rse of nowhere and had no power growing up i think we would have a better service, Dublin gards seem
Particularly polite also Louth gards.
In general though, there all called "RATS" by certain people ahem

Amalgam · 06-02-2017 02:15AM

You can be, 'sort of/probably' guilty, in the French legal system, given a status that will have the person in limbo, of sorts.

Load of tosh, a very French situation.. used a lot in political circles to hamstring undesirables..

I think a person involved in this is an absolute tw*t, but I don't think they are guilty.

The dead husband was a creep, screwing the secretary and having a child by her, soon after the wife's death, odd behaviour at the time. A bully and quite a sinister character in other areas of his life, not someone you wanted as an adversary. Some French journalists have asked could more light have been shed on him, at the time of the murder.

Roger Hassenforder · 06-02-2017 02:58AM

FlawedGenius wrote: »

We all know the irish gards are one of the most corrupt in europe, nobody feels safe when there around tje complete opposite. Always an attitude problem.. Now if the Gards were not all from the back@rse of nowhere and had no power growing up i think we would have a better service, Dublin gards seem
Particularly polite also Louth gards.
In general though, there all called "RATS" by certain people ahem

And it's the Gardai with the attitude problem...
You wouldn't be "known" to them, would you?

lastman100 · 25-07-2017 07:12AM

Well the French lost their extradition of Bailey again! I wonder why they're so keen. Our DPP has passed on it 3 times already. There's no evidence- even if he did do it- no forensics, no witnesses, nothing.
If there was a trial it would be an embarrassment to the Irish State. It was a balls up from the start- the crime scene wasn't secured, the overworked only pathologist arrived a day late- the body was left lying in that field for 24 hours. France will be laughing at the antics of PC Paddy Plod if that ever goes ahead. The only excuse: it was the last century.
Of course they weren't helped by that useless witness who didn't contact them for 20 days. She should have been locked up for contempt or perjury.
I was searching around trying to find out why the Garda picked him out in the first place. Any ideas?

VideoSuperMan · 29-07-2017 10:58PM

lastman100 wrote: »

I was searching around trying to find out why the Garda picked him out in the first place. Any ideas?

Bailey was writing about the case in the local papers at the time, Cork examiner I think, and was describing the crime scene and revealing details that were not publicly known or released by the Gardai, they brought him in for questioning and that led him to becoming a suspect.

fergiesfolly · 30-07-2017 08:44AM

VideoSuperMan wrote: »

Bailey was writing about the case in the local papers at the time, Cork examiner I think, and was describing the crime scene and revealing details that were not publicly known or released by the Gardai, they brought him in for questioning and that led him to becoming a suspect.

Wouldn't he need to be a complete idiot or narcissist to believe he could get away with that?
Is it not more likely that he had a source within the Gardai?

golfball37 · 30-07-2017 09:28AM

fergiesfolly wrote: »

Wouldn't he need to be a complete idiot or narcissist to believe he could get away with that?
Is it not more likely that he had a source within the Gardai?

If he didn't do it he would have had nothing to worry about, no?

nice_guy80 · 30-07-2017 09:46AM

if the Gardai hadn't a clue who did it, he was an easy target

the French authorities must be putting a lot of diplomatic pressure on for this to be brought to the high court again (cost to Irish taxpayer)

VideoSuperMan · 30-07-2017 09:51AM

fergiesfolly wrote: »

Wouldn't he need to be a complete idiot or narcissist to believe he could get away with that?
Is it not more likely that he had a source within the Gardai?

Correct, there is a documentary on RTE player, whereby Bailey is questioned about the details of the case and said that he received information from Gardai and other Journalists. It was the articles he wrote and the scratches on his arms and face that warranted the arrest of Bailey.

Gardaí criticised over Ian Bailey investigation

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