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Manchester United Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 11/12
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I can see where you are coming from, so given a choice what would you do? Offload Rio or Vidic?
IMO Rio wont be fit for entire season for that reason alone we can afford to keep 5 CBs. Also rumors that he is ready for pay cut. We are in very healthy situation when it comes to wage bill. Our wage to revenue ratio is around 42% which is among the best in the world. So we can afford to keep few extra players imo, also surely Berba, PIG and Owen will leave. That would keep us in even better shape.
The last set of accounts showed an increase of £10m in our total wage bill, and rough estimations (if we win the PL) predict that our next release of accounts will show a wage to revenue ratio of around 50-52%. It is definitely a bloated wage bill as things stand (As we do like to operate around the 45% mark, and we certainly won't want to be going near 60%), and I know Berba, PIG and Owen will probably leave, but a replacement will be more than likely brought in for Berba, so that should be cancelled out. Owen and PIG wouldn't be on high wages anyway. Add in that the likes of Welbeck, Evans and possibly Rafael and Pogba may be getting new contracts, and then the wage bill won't really be trimmed, and new signings will become more difficult as a result imo.
I wouldn't be looking to cull one of Rio or Vidic. I was sort of playing Devil's advocate
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What I would say, is that if Rio didn't want to accept a significant pay decrease (He's on £115k/week!) then it might make sense to leave him go. (Although I appreciate he's a great influence at the club, and would like to see him stay for that reason at least). Alternatively, if a £20-25m bid came in from Vidic from PSG, RM or some Russian club - I'd give it serious consideration.
For argument's sake, what would you prefer?
Start the season with all 5 of Vidic, Ferdinand, Evans, Smalling, Jones + no new CM.
Start the season with one of Vidic or Ferdinand, Evans, Smalling, Jones + a top tier CM.
I'm not saying we can't have both, maybe we can. Or maybe we can cull other areas of the squad (like Park for example) and satisfy our wage bill that way, but I'm just making the point that it's not necessary to go into a season with 5 senior CBs, and if we need to cut the wage budget to bring in a new central midfielder, it would make sense to leave one go.0 -
The last set of accounts showed an increase of £10m in our total wage bill, and rough estimations (if we win the PL) predict that our next release of accounts will show a wage to revenue ratio of around 50-52%. It is definitely a bloated wage bill as things stand (As we do like to operate around the 45% mark, and we certainly won't want to be going near 60%), and I know Berba, PIG and Owen will probably leave, but a replacement will be more than likely brought in for Berba, so that should be cancelled out. Owen and PIG wouldn't be on high wages anyway. Add in that the likes of Welbeck, Evans and possibly Rafael and Pogba may be getting new contracts, and then the wage bill won't really be trimmed, and new signings will become more difficult as a result imo.
I wouldn't be looking to cull one of Rio or Vidic. I was sort of playing Devil's advocate.
What I would say, is that if Rio didn't want to accept a significant pay decrease (He's on £115k/week!) then it might make sense to leave him go. (Although I appreciate he's a great influence at the club, and would like to see him stay for that reason at least). Alternatively, if a £20-25m bid came in from Vidic from PSG, RM or some Russian club - I'd give it serious consideration.
For argument's sake, what would you prefer?
Start the season with all 5 of Vidic, Ferdinand, Evans, Smalling, Jones + no new CM.
Start the season with one of Vidic or Ferdinand, Evans, Smalling, Jones + a top tier CM.
I'm not saying we can't have both, maybe we can. Or maybe we can cull other areas of the squad (like Park for example) and satisfy our wage bill that way, but I'm just making the point that it's not necessary to go into a season with 5 senior CBs, and if we need to cut the wage budget to bring in a new central midfielder, it would make sense to leave one go.
There's a thread suggesting this on RedCafe at the moment and the guys over there aren't holding back on the guy who started the thread, seem to think Vidic has up to 6 years left in him.0 -
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The last set of accounts showed an increase of £10m in our total wage bill, and rough estimations (if we win the PL) predict that our next release of accounts will show a wage to revenue ratio of around 50-52%. It is definitely a bloated wage bill as things stand (As we do like to operate around the 45% mark, and we certainly won't want to be going near 60%), and I know Berba, PIG and Owen will probably leave, but a replacement will be more than likely brought in for Berba, so that should be cancelled out. Owen and PIG wouldn't be on high wages anyway. Add in that the likes of Welbeck, Evans and possibly Rafael and Pogba may be getting new contracts, and then the wage bill won't really be trimmed, and new signings will become more difficult as a result imo.
I wouldn't be looking to cull one of Rio or Vidic. I was sort of playing Devil's advocate.
What I would say, is that if Rio didn't want to accept a significant pay decrease (He's on £115k/week!) then it might make sense to leave him go. (Although I appreciate he's a great influence at the club, and would like to see him stay for that reason at least). Alternatively, if a £20-25m bid came in from Vidic from PSG, RM or some Russian club - I'd give it serious consideration.
For argument's sake, what would you prefer?
Start the season with all 5 of Vidic, Ferdinand, Evans, Smalling, Jones + no new CM.
Start the season with one of Vidic or Ferdinand, Evans, Smalling, Jones + a top tier CM.
I'm not saying we can't have both, maybe we can. Or maybe we can cull other areas of the squad (like Park for example) and satisfy our wage bill that way, but I'm just making the point that it's not necessary to go into a season with 5 senior CBs, and if we need to cut the wage budget to bring in a new central midfielder, it would make sense to leave one go.
We are under no financial pressure to reduce our wage bill. Yes there is a increase in wage bill but rumors are that Rio will take wage cut, surely at this age he should.
Think of it, if we sell Vidic and if Rio gets injured I wont be surprised if we let few gifts in. As much as Evans has improved Rio has been absolutely key in the defense. I for one wont like if we sell any of the two.
Why are you restricting to 5 CBs plus no CM. I would prefet 5 CBs plus 1 CM. We can let go Berba, Owen, PIG, Park. That will free up lot and also Rio will take pay cut.
Welbeck, Cleverley and co will get pay rise but also we are doing exceptionally well in the marketing side. So surely this CL is a blip and next year we will be back to normal. So I can see our revenue being better than this time and last season.
Like I have said I dont trust Jones to perform week in week out as a CB. He should improve a lot to make the position his own. Rio has at least 1 or 2 seasons left in him and with the way he has played this season it would be cruel to let him go.
And lastly blunt No to offers for Vidic. With him in the side we are superb defensively. Which top team will sell one of the best players in the world just saying we have one extra CB or we are just increased 5% (Wage/Revenue).
To be a top team we should retain top players and Vidic is as good as they get in his position. He is at his peak and with the way he plays he has many years left in him.
So to conclude it doesn't make sense to lose one of our CB thereby losing points in the leauge.0 -
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I suppose this is what it all comes down to, and I hope you're right. I wouldn't be so confident though.
I'd be only too delighted to be able to keep all 5 CBs at the club and sign a top tier central midfielder as well.
Hopefully we sign at least 1 CM. In 2 years maybe there wont be Rio, Giggs, Scholes so IMO we shouldn't worry much about wage bill now. We are very healthy in that area and even if we have exceeded by 5%(Which is still among the best in the world) it would come down in 2 seasons,
Owen, Berba, TK, Park and in 2 seasons Giggs, Scholes, Rio. Thats a lot and our wage bill be even lesser. Yeah we will sign few players too but surely we wont sign 5-6 players.
Edit: 4 CBs
As of now Jones is an allrounder who can play in many positions. So he will play lot of games. 0 -
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There is no chance that Rio or Vidic will not be at Utd next season, any other opinion than that is nonsense.
Like this opinion, after the Newcastle game
League is gone as far as I can see, been unlucky with injuries. City haven't had any.
We won't gain 4 points on them again.
Seriously, it's not as if we haven't left go some of or better players before for one reason or another. Hughes, Ince and Kanchelskis were considered three of our best players when they all left in the Summer of '95 but Ferguson got it spot on because he recognized that Scholes, Beckham etc. were a special bunch.
He has shown time and time again that he'll make difficult and sometimes unpopular decisions if he thinks he has young players that are good enough to step up.0 -
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