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Sweden crying out for engineers and IT people. Where's all the Irish?

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  • #32
    Red_Wake
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    stupidusername wrote: »
    and what's an 'IT job' to you?

    Software development.

    You?


  • #33
    stupidusername
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,762 ✭✭✭✭stupidusername


    Red_Wake wrote: »
    Software development.

    You?

    Same. I guess I must just be incredibly unintelligent so.


  • #34
    pragmatic1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,573 ✭✭✭pragmatic1


    stupidusername wrote: »
    Same. I guess I must just be incredibly unintelligent so.
    What websites do you look for jobs on?


  • #35
    rn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,128 ✭✭✭rn


    The Irish that are in IT are mostly working in Ireland... Its one of the few industries where the salaries have been jumping by considerable % over the last 3 years albeit after a time when the salaries were reducing in it.

    I would agree stupidusername its tricky to get started in it... alot of places looking for experienced workers and places are also insisting in 2.1 or 1st class honours for new hires with just a degree - otherwise they want you with a good masters or higher qualification. And you gotto to know your CV inside and out.

    Its also geographically unfavourable to alot of the country - many of the jobs are in Galway and Dublin... the ones outside those centres are hit and miss from my experience. Best of luck in the search and if you want any advice you can pm me.


  • #36
    stupidusername
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    pragmatic1 wrote: »
    What websites do you look for jobs on?

    jobs.ie, fas.ie, adverts.ie/jobs
    they're pretty much all just showing the same jobs anyway. since i can't get an intern job I haven't bothered looking much at paid IT jobs tbh.
    rn wrote: »
    The Irish that are in IT are mostly working in Ireland... Its one of the few industries where the salaries have been jumping by considerable % over the last 3 years albeit after a time when the salaries were reducing in it.

    I would agree stupidusername its tricky to get started in it... alot of places looking for experienced workers and places are also insisting in 2.1 or 1st class honours for new hires with just a degree - otherwise they want you with a good masters or higher qualification. And you gotto to know your CV inside and out.

    Its also geographically unfavourable to alot of the country - many of the jobs are in Galway and Dublin... the ones outside those centres are hit and miss from my experience. Best of luck in the search and if you want any advice you can pm me.

    I have a 2.1, and i'm living in Dublin.


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  • #37
    Red_Wake
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    stupidusername wrote: »
    Same. I guess I must just be incredibly unintelligent so.

    My place is taking on grads this year, PM me if you want some info.


  • #38
    stupidusername
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,762 ✭✭✭✭stupidusername


    Red_Wake wrote: »
    My place is taking on grads this year, PM me if you want some info.

    thanks but i'm not a recent grad, hence my problem


  • #39
    pragmatic1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,573 ✭✭✭pragmatic1


    stupidusername wrote: »
    jobs.ie, fas.ie, adverts.ie/jobs
    they're pretty much all just showing the same jobs anyway. since i can't get an intern job I haven't bothered looking much at paid IT jobs tbh.



    I have a 2.1, and i'm living in Dublin.
    What about gradireland. Seen a fair amount of It jobs advertised there. Careerjet, indeed.ie are good websites to look at too. Would you consider working in the north, recruit NI isn't bad for jobs.

    I done an internship too but before I got the position I had a few interviews for paid positions. Its worth a try and even if you don't get the job, it helps develop your interview skills.


  • #40
    [Deleted User]
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    I am available to work in IT. I'd be willing to move anywhere for a job at this stage.

    I have 3 years testing experience with good SQL skills.

    Anyone working for those companies can just shoot me a PM :cool:



    /awaits flood of PMs


  • #41
    stupidusername
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,762 ✭✭✭✭stupidusername


    pragmatic1 wrote: »
    What about gradireland. Seen a fair amount of It jobs advertised there. Careerjet, indeed.ie are good websites to look at too. Would you consider working in the north, recruit NI isn't bad for jobs.

    See my last post.

    never heard of indeed, thanks.
    wouldn't consider the north


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  • #42
    Nothingbetter2d
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    Sleepy wrote: »
    Trying to find jobs with their Irish language and Religion skills obviously!

    if the church ever need an it guy in a gaeltacht area it might be usefull :D


  • #43
    Zulu
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    salonfire wrote: »
    I am available to work in IT. I'd be willing to move anywhere for a job at this stage.

    I have 3 years testing experience
    What sort of test experience? There seems to be a good bit on junior test roles about. Try the recruitment groups - vantage, cpl, it alliance


  • #44
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Zulu wrote: »
    What sort of test experience? There seems to be a good bit on junior test roles about. Try the recruitment groups - vantage, cpl, it alliance

    Thanks for the reply Zulu :)

    Functional and regression testing of web applications for a multinational.

    I have been trying vantage and cpl with no success. Must try it alliance.


    I keep hearing and reading about the demand for IT skills, yet I can't seem to find a job. Every college grad has at least some dev experience, albeit a small, possible shitty project.


    Years ago, people used to be taken on as apprentices for baker, butcher, tailor, etc. Why can't the IT industry take on more grads as 'apprentices'?



    Mmm, still no PMs :D


  • #45
    Socialist_Pig
    Closed Accounts Posts: 321 ✭✭Socialist_Pig


    franciebellew wrote: »
    With the huge demand for engineers, programmers and IT specialists in Sweden I'm surprised there's no Irish coming over?
    They're scared of getting harrassed by customs when they return home for a break:pac::pac:


  • #46
    dvpower
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    Chuchoter wrote: »
    I hate all this ****e about computer engineering jobs and how great they are. Sure, maybe the starting salaries are great when your starting, but they more or less stay that way the more experience you get and its barely enough to keep a family going.
    This isn't true. Software engineering is quite well paid for people with in demand skillsets. Salaries are market driven and at the moment, in the middle of a deep downturn in the rest of the economy, we are having to import engineers.

    If you're a software engineer and you aren't getting the pay you deserve, its probably because you don't deserve it or you haven't demanded it.


  • #47
    starlit
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    wes wrote: »
    There is the same need here at least in the IT industry.

    True, same story for the UK. Though what's happening is that the IT Industry seem to hire those over seas than here though the exception with the UK they probably end up hiring more Irish than here and perhaps those from other countries as well.

    Shame really in the case of Ireland as employers in the IT industry seem to favour oversea employees to fill jobs than Irish graduates with the exception of those highly experienced Irish people in the IT industry have a better chance of being hired in Ireland as well as abroad.

    States in the Irish Independent the IT Crisis here in Ireland despite a high demand for IT people to fill jobs, having one or two or few programming languages under your belt isn't enough, some jobs require you have more than just one or two languages maybe a dozen or more along with other skills set to balance out the job spec.

    http://www.independent.ie/national-news/it-crisis-the-70k-a-year-jobs-we-just-cant-fill-in-ireland-3072132.html


  • #48
    Helix
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    isnt the standard of irish IT graduates seen as being fairly abysmal these days? i remember in an interview i did with one of the guys from Havok where he essentially said that the standard is so poor in ireland they'll rarely entertain any irish applicants


  • #49
    token101
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    Helix wrote: »
    isnt the standard of irish IT graduates seen as being fairly abysmal these days? i remember in an interview i did with one of the guys from Havok where he essentially said that the standard is so poor in ireland they'll rarely entertain any irish applicants

    Well if it's anything like UCC it's no wonder they're importing people. Appalling would be kind. The lecturers couldn't give a s**t what they're teaching and would download tutorials for us. And if you Googled the tutorial it was the first hit a lot of the time.

    But we did learn by heart what colours were what when viewing them in hexidecimal and we also learned an apparently dead language that no one uses :rolleyes:


  • #50
    [Deleted User]
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    Helix wrote: »
    isnt the standard of irish IT graduates seen as being fairly abysmal these days? i remember in an interview i did with one of the guys from Havok where he essentially said that the standard is so poor in ireland they'll rarely entertain any irish applicants


    That guy from Havok is peddling total bullsh1t.

    Irish IT grads come from the same background, have the same work ethic, come from the same universities as grads in Engineering, Medicine, Nursing, Business, Maths, etc

    Why is it that Irish IT grads are so bad?
    Are Irish Medicine grads bad as well? Have we Nursing grads going round accidently killing people?


    I have the feeling that something else is at play when IT grads are always being talked down


  • #51
    jester77
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    salonfire wrote: »
    I am available to work in IT. I'd be willing to move anywhere for a job at this stage.

    I have 3 years testing experience with good SQL skills.

    Anyone working for those companies can just shoot me a PM :cool:



    /awaits flood of PMs

    Any experience with capybara rspec/cucumber and selenium/webdriver?


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  • #52
    Phill Ewinn
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    Teh government should set up a coder dojo scheme for adults. Such simple ideas that cost a fraction of the IT ''degrees'' derp that Irish unis are pushing on the unemployed and broke people.


  • #53
    Helix
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    salonfire wrote: »
    That guy from Havok is peddling total bullsh1t.

    Irish IT grads come from the same background, have the same work ethic, come from the same universities as grads in Engineering, Medicine, Nursing, Business, Maths, etc

    Why is it that Irish IT grads are so bad?
    Are Irish Medicine grads bad as well? Have we Nursing grads going round accidently killing people?


    I have the feeling that something else is at play when IT grads are always being talked down

    they're not getting taught by the same people though. obviously any issue with IT grads being so bad that they're not being hired by arguably ireland's biggest technological export means that the level of teaching is to blame

    i doubt they've any reason to pedal bull about this. theyre a big enough company not to care where they get their staff from


  • #54
    biko
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    franciebellew wrote: »
    With the huge demand for engineers, programmers and IT specialists in Sweden I'm surprised there's no Irish coming over?

    Is it the same back home? Is everyone working in these professions?
    Source?
    Sweden currently has a 7.5% unemployment rate (half of Ireland's) but that's overall.


  • #55
    Red_Wake
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    Chuchoter wrote: »
    I hate all this ****e about computer engineering jobs and how great they are. Sure, maybe the starting salaries are great when your starting, but they more or less stay that way the more experience you get and its barely enough to keep a family going.

    What company do you work for?:eek:

    I've got one raise so far this year, and can expect 2 more this year.


  • #56
    longhalloween
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    What's the best way to get the skills and training required for these jobs?


  • #57
    wes
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    Chuchoter wrote: »
    I hate all this ****e about computer engineering jobs and how great they are. Sure, maybe the starting salaries are great when your starting, but they more or less stay that way the more experience you get and its barely enough to keep a family going.

    I am earning nearly twice what I started on, so I have no idea what your talking about.


  • #58
    titan18
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    salonfire wrote: »
    That guy from Havok is peddling total bullsh1t.

    Irish IT grads come from the same background, have the same work ethic, come from the same universities as grads in Engineering, Medicine, Nursing, Business, Maths, etc

    Why is it that Irish IT grads are so bad?
    Are Irish Medicine grads bad as well? Have we Nursing grads going round accidently killing people?


    I have the feeling that something else is at play when IT grads are always being talked down

    Nah, it's true. I'm in college atm and some of our lecturers are a bit useless. Most of my class (final year) can't program, and due to bell curve marking, you just need to be better than them to get a 1H. I'm actually good though thankfully

    Also I'm available for work if anyone has IT work in Cork. I have experience with C#, Android, Web development/design and have done some testing on placement last summer


  • #59
    [Deleted User]
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    jester77 wrote: »
    Any experience with capybara rspec/cucumber and selenium/webdriver?


    No, no experience in any of those. It was manual testing, not automated at all. Not very efficient I know...


    Btw, I got one PM!


  • #60
    token101
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    srsly78 wrote: »
    But after that when you flip out and start killing people the prison/hospital they put you in will be really nice and have saunas etc.

    Or you could save your dole money for a year, go to Thailand and ride everything you see.

    Whatever, I'll be at Moes.


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  • #61
    srsly78
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    Chuchoter wrote: »
    I hate all this ****e about computer engineering jobs and how great they are. Sure, maybe the starting salaries are great when your starting, but they more or less stay that way the more experience you get and its barely enough to keep a family going.

    You're doing it wrong.


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