Israel's unhealthy neurosis will make our lives a misery

RichieC · 05-04-2012 02:33PM

aidan24326 wrote: »

That's one pretty sh1te post even by AH standards!

'invented people', 'rooted in jealousy', 'jerusalem's prestige'....what in the hell are you on about?

Ah god, leave Paddyandy alone, He's trying his best here.

RichieC · 05-04-2012 02:36PM

brimal wrote: »

Some interesting comparisons..

Total Nobel Prize winners from Israel: 10
Total Nobel Prize winners from the entire Arab World: 6

Israel - 1 country, 8 million population, 60 years in existance
Arab World - 22 countries, 320 million population

Total Jewish Nobel Prize winners: 150+
Total Muslim Nobel Prize winners: 10

Total Jews worldwide: 14 million
Total Muslims worldwide: 1 billion+

Obviously Israel and Jews in general punch well above their weight on Nobel Prizes, but these stats for Arab World and Muslims in general are still exceptionally low.

One would automatically assume the oppressive nature of Islamic states would be the main reason for this and I'm sure it definitely plays a part but one must also wonder if the Nobel Prizes in general are biased towards Western nations.

I imagine if we were receiving 53 billion a year off the yanks we'd be doing quite well ourselves. I wonder how well Israel would be doing if it had to stand on her own feet. Their GDP is 210 billion.

brimal · 05-04-2012 02:40PM

RichieC wrote: »

I imagine if we were receiving 53 billion a year off the yanks we'd be doing quite well ourselves. I wonder how well Israel would be doing if it had to stand on her own feet. Their GDP is 210 billion.

And the Arab World's GDP is..?

RichieC · 05-04-2012 02:41PM

Irans is 990 billion. 17th largest economy in the world.

brimal · 05-04-2012 02:43PM

So you have nothing really to contribute to my point only (another) anti-West rant?

RichieC · 05-04-2012 02:45PM

wat

You don't have a point, brimal. The only thing you have going for your argument is that it is not marginalised.

Grayson · 05-04-2012 03:13PM

Iran isn't an arab country. It's persian

the_syco · 05-04-2012 04:50PM

old_aussie wrote: »

Which intelligence agencies?

The ones selling and have sold military hardware to Iran in the past and present?

Nodin · 05-04-2012 04:52PM

brimal wrote: »

........

One would automatically assume the oppressive nature of Islamic states would be the main reason for this and I'm sure it definitely plays a part but one must also wonder if the Nobel Prizes in general are biased towards Western nations.

Or - mad idea this - it's fairly hard to be at the cutting edge of anything in a second or third world country.

Batsy · 05-04-2012 05:07PM

Israel has it's knickers in a twist about Iran developing nuclear weapons even though the intelligence agencies have been saying for many years that Iran is not trying to build a bomb. Israel's Prime Minister and chief fear-monger, Benjamin Netanyahu, flew to Washington last year to stoke the panic by warning Congress that a " militant Islamic regime" was threatening the world and urged the U.S. never to allow Iran to develop nuclear weapons.

Iran has said it wants to "wipe Israel off the map" and now the Israelis are worried at the news that Iran is building nuclear weapons?

They are a funny lot those Israelis.

Morlar · 05-04-2012 05:12PM

Batsy wrote: »

Iran has said it wants to "wipe Israel off the map" and now the Israelis are worried at the news that Iran is building nuclear weapons?

They are a funny lot those Israelis.

That is rhetoric and you know it. Iran has not attacked any neighbours recently. Unlike Israel who has bombed and invaded more neighbours than anyone else in the region.

So on the one hand you have hot air and rhetoric (Iran) and on the other hand (Israel) you have a nuclear power attacking and invading and soliciting others to do the same on their behalf using the disingenous excuse of rhetoric from Iran and pretending to be afraid of them.

RichieC · 05-04-2012 05:22PM

Batsy wrote: »

Iran has said it wants to "wipe Israel off the map" and now the Israelis are worried at the news that Iran is building nuclear weapons?

They are a funny lot those Israelis.

Doesn't even matter how many times that egregious mistranslation is corrected, you always get the fingers in the ears brigade spouting it.

Zionist regime should vanish from the pages of time was the actual translation. Israel in response to that threatened to wipe Iran off the map.

Why I even bother correcting Batsy is beyond me..

When you talk of news of Iran building a weapon, specifically what news? the warning made by israelis in the early 90's that Iran were 3 years from building a bomb? or one of the more contemporary warnings of Iran being a couple years from building a bomb? It gets very confusing, I must tell you.

Zebra3 · 05-04-2012 05:36PM

brimal wrote: »

Some interesting comparisons..

Total Nobel Prize winners from Israel: 10
Total Nobel Prize winners from the entire Arab World: 6

Israel - 1 country, 8 million population, 60 years in existance
Arab World - 22 countries, 320 million population

Total Jewish Nobel Prize winners: 150+
Total Muslim Nobel Prize winners: 10

Total Jews worldwide: 14 million
Total Muslims worldwide: 1 billion+

Obviously Israel and Jews in general punch well above their weight on Nobel Prizes, but these stats for Arab World and Muslims in general are still exceptionally low.

One would automatically assume the oppressive nature of Islamic states would be the main reason for this and I'm sure it definitely plays a part but one must also wonder if the Nobel Prizes in general are biased towards Western nations.

Obama got a Nobel Peace Prize for his lies in Cairo.

A NPP isn't worth a toss.

Israel moans about what other countries allegedly want to do it and all the while it keeps some of the native population locked up in a ghetto (Gaza) while it carries out its low level ethnic cleansing on others (West Bank).

KeithAFC · 05-04-2012 05:39PM

Israel are perfectly entitled to be worried about the potential risk to the Jewish state which is Israel. They are right to defend its people and their way of life.

I am not a fan of Obama or Washington DC but they are right to impose these sanctions on Iran. I think Israel and its people need to be wary and prepare themselves for war. I don't like the way Iran are going about this and I think it is important the Israeli people are prepared for the worst.

The war of Iranian aggression is something which the world could do without. Benjamin Netanyahu is doing the right thing. Lets hope it works.

Gummy Panda · 05-04-2012 05:44PM

KeithAFC wrote: »

Israel are perfectly entitled to be worried about the potential risk to the Jewish state which is Israel. They are right to defend its people and their way of life.

I am not a fan of Obama or Washington DC but they are right to impose these sanctions on Iran. I think Israel and its people need to be wary and prepare themselves for war. I don't like the way Iran are going about this and I think it is important the Israeli people are prepared for the worst.

The war of Iranian aggression is something which the world could do without. Benjamin Netanyahu is doing the right thing. Lets hope it works.

Now that Keith has posted that, I am sure Israel is doing the wrong thing

BlaasForRafa · 05-04-2012 05:47PM

Nodin wrote: »

Or - mad idea this - it's fairly hard to be at the cutting edge of anything in a second or third world country.

Would you really class places like Oman, UAE, Qatar as second or third world? With the money sloshing around their economies they should be at the leading edge of research and development.

Zebra3 · 05-04-2012 05:50PM

KeithAFC wrote: »

Israel are perfectly entitled to be worried about the potential risk to the Jewish state which is Israel. They are right to defend its people and their way of life.

I am not a fan of Obama or Washington DC but they are right to impose these sanctions on Iran. I think Israel and its people need to be wary and prepare themselves for war. I don't like the way Iran are going about this and I think it is important the Israeli people are prepared for the worst.

The war of Iranian aggression is something which the world could do without. Benjamin Netanyahu is doing the right thing. Lets hope it works.

And Iran is right to be worried.

Two of its neighbours have been invaded by the bloodthirsty Americans in the last 11 years.

America and Saudi Arabia also helped fund and arm Iraq when Iraq attacked Iran from 1980-88. During this time Iranian civilians were gassed to death by Iraqi forces using gas made in Germany and the US.

Iran knows that Israel has nuclear weapons and a history of attacking the Palestinians and its neighbouring states.

And yet people are surprised that they allegedly want nuclear weapons.

And remember all this crap about Iran wanting the bomb (which Israel has) is brought to you by the same liars who claimed Iraq had WMDs (which of course Israel and the US have :rolleyes: ).

RichieC · 05-04-2012 05:50PM

KeithAFC wrote: »

Israel are perfectly entitled to be worried about the potential risk to the Jewish state which is Israel. They are right to defend its people and their way of life.

I am not a fan of Obama or Washington DC but they are right to impose these sanctions on Iran. I think Israel and its people need to be wary and prepare themselves for war. I don't like the way Iran are going about this and I think it is important the Israeli people are prepared for the worst.

The war of Iranian aggression is something which the world could do without. Benjamin Netanyahu is doing the right thing. Lets hope it works.

Stick to stirring ****e in topics you have half a clue about, Keith.

BlaasForRafa · 05-04-2012 05:54PM

Morlar wrote: »

That is rhetoric and you know it. Iran has not attacked any neighbours recently. Unlike Israel who has bombed and invaded more neighbours than anyone else in the region.

Iran has attacked plenty of times, using Hamas, Islamic Jihad, PRC and Hezbollah to attack Israel and has also supplied arms to militants in Iraq and Afghanisan and helped the Syrian regime to crush peaceful protests in Syria last year.

Just because Iran dosen't use conventional forces (as yet) to attack dosen't mean that they don't attack.

KeithAFC · 05-04-2012 05:55PM

RichieC wrote: »

Stick to stirring ****e in topics you have half a clue about, Keith.

This is a topic which means a lot to me and many other people. I think it is important to get different views. Israel will not sit back and wait for its destruction. I think that has been made perfectly clear many times. Those days are over.

ejmaztec · 05-04-2012 05:57PM

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

Would you really class places like Oman, UAE, Qatar as second or third world? With the money sloshing around their economies they should be at the leading edge of research and development.

They're too busy spending money on diamond-encrusted gold-plated limos and properties worldwide, to be wasting any effort on R&D.

Bullseye1 · 05-04-2012 06:00PM

I don't see how anyone can accuse Israel of being paranoid about Iran. The president of Iran stated that Israel should be wipped off the face of the earth. There is a good chance that they are developing Nuclear weapons.

KeithAFC · 05-04-2012 06:01PM

Bullseye1 wrote: »

I don't see how anyone can accuse Israel of being paranoid about Iran. The president of Iran stated that Israel should be wipped off the face of the earth. There is a good chance that they are developing Nuclear weapons.

Fully agree. This is not something which should be taken lightly.

Ellian · 05-04-2012 06:03PM

I rather liked some of the points raised in this link

http://walt.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2012/03/11/top_ten_media_failures_in_the_iran_war_debate

RichieC · 05-04-2012 06:06PM

KeithAFC wrote: »

This is a topic which means a lot to me and many other people. I think it is important to get different views. Israel will not sit back and wait for its destruction. I think that has been made perfectly clear many times. Those days are over.

You're not stating different views, though, you're talking bollocks.

RichieC · 05-04-2012 06:07PM

Bullseye1 wrote: »

I don't see how anyone can accuse Israel of being paranoid about Iran. The president of Iran stated that Israel should be wipped off the face of the earth. There is a good chance that they are developing Nuclear weapons.

See what I mean? fingers in the ears brigade.

KeithAFC · 05-04-2012 06:08PM

RichieC wrote: »

You're not stating different views, though, you're talking bollocks.

What exactly is bollocks or "wrong". Nothing as far as I can see. We base this on comments from Iran about Israel. The destruction of Israel very much exists in the minds of the Iranian government. The Israeli people are fully entitled to liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

Believe it or not, there is many different views on this.

Zebra3 · 05-04-2012 06:08PM

Bullseye1 wrote: »

I don't see how anyone can accuse Israel of being paranoid about Iran. The president of Iran stated that Israel should be wipped off the face of the earth. There is a good chance that they are developing Nuclear weapons.

Did you even read the thread? :rolleyes:

And what about Israel wiping Palestine off the map? Is that ok?

Freddie59 · 05-04-2012 06:11PM

NakedNNettles wrote: »

Its your reality that is skewed.

Anyways nice that you have the freedom to express your opinion and reap the benefits of living in a westernised society.

Indeed. Go Israel!:D

Freddie59 · 05-04-2012 06:13PM

Bullseye1 wrote: »

I don't see how anyone can accuse Israel of being paranoid about Iran. The president of Iran stated that Israel should be wipped off the face of the earth. There is a good chance that they are developing Nuclear weapons.

More than like they are. But try convincing the Palestinian lobby on here. Ah sure the Iranians are probably grand lads. You could probably have a pint with them. Oooops. I forgot. You can't.

Israel's unhealthy neurosis will make our lives a misery

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