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Dpf Problems

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  • #32
    shedweller
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,023 ✭✭✭shedweller


    shedweller wrote: »
    While looking for something else, i found a place selling the DPF fluid:http://www.stationautoservices.co.uk/jlm/store/products-delivery-service/
    I'm not connected with them but just thought i'd share the find.

    edit: I dont think they deliver to Ireland. aaarrggghhhh! why not???
    Got an email from them and they said they do deliver to Ireland although not by airmail.


  • #33
    Row
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,025 ✭✭✭Row


    I'd be getting the pressure washer out before i'd pay 1140euro...:eek:
    Thats crazy money..:mad:..Peugeot Charge around €750-800 for replacing the dpf and topping up the additive on a 1.6 hdi..(Same engine)

    I know a few people who have powerwashed dpf's on the 1.6 hdi/2.0 hdi's with no problems since....Just ensure to dry it well before you get it refitted.

    You could also give John a shout..he maybe able to wipe out the dpf software
    from the ecu and remove your old dpf....:)
    http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/cars/1801465
    Best of luck with it...;)


  • #34
    boardz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 551 ✭✭✭boardz


    Hi I have an 07 focus TDC 1.6 with 76k miles on the clock...engine failure light coming and going last 6 weeks or so got a read out from the local 'Kwik fit' type garage which gave 5 codes. Three of these gave an indication of the faults (P0341- Camshaft position sensor circuit problem, P1245-Alternator lead input failed/low, P0234-Engine Overboost condition. But the other 2 codes (P2585-{25,10,25,85} and P2458-{25,10,24,58} had nothing. Searching them down indicates a fuel additive issue and a DPF issue. After spending some time researching I've made the decision to go to a specialist garage in the morning to have the DPF removed with ECU remap (€550) but I was wondering would anybody have any idea if all the fault codes could be caused by a DPF problem?
    A big ask I know but nothing ventured.... Cheers :)


  • #35
    Plug
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,248 ✭✭✭Plug


    The Focus of that year used an additive, so maybe its just low.
    P2585 definition is "Fuel Additive Control Module Warning Lamp Request".


  • #36
    pred racer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,378 ✭✭✭pred racer


    I dunno if this is helpful, but this seems to be a fairly cheap improvement for the alfa dpf (which doesnt use an additive)

    http://www.alfaowner.com/Forum/alfa-159-brera-and-946-spider/329540-for-all-of-you-still-with-a-dpf.html


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  • #37
    boardz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 551 ✭✭✭boardz


    Thanks for the quick response guys....it does indeed use the additive which service manual says should be replaced @35k so the stuff on your link pred looks like it would definitly extend this... but it also says DPF and additive to be replaced at 75 - 80k so with the jigs and the reels I think I'll go ahead with the removal.....which does then negate the need for the additive I presume/hope?


  • #38
    Plug
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,248 ✭✭✭Plug


    boardz wrote: »
    Thanks for the quick response guys....it does indeed use the additive which service manual says should be replaced @35k so the stuff on your link pred looks like it would definitly extend this... but it also says DPF and additive to be replaced at 75 - 80k so with the jigs and the reels I think I'll go ahead with the removal.....which does then negate the need for the additive I presume/hope?
    Seen similar faults on a Focus and I replaced the fluid and all was ok.


  • #39
    boardz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 551 ✭✭✭boardz


    Well typical the car won't start this morning! Maybe because it was so cold last night but insurance breakdown assist on the way so gonna have to get it towed to Ford if can't get it going = big bucks! Could a DPF issue prevent it from starting? It wasn't driving too badly....


  • #40
    Plug
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,248 ✭✭✭Plug


    It wouldn't cause it not to start unless it was nearly completely blocked up. Was the engine turning over? You say there was a camshaft sensor fault.


  • #41
    boardz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 551 ✭✭✭boardz


    Just got in....yep there was a camshaft sensor fault showing ....the engine was turning over fine...insurance breakdown assist mechanic came out (within 30 mins) and plugged his laptop in but said it was not showing any fault (even thought the fault light was illuminated on the dash) so he sent a tow truck to bring me to Ford...my road is slightly inclined the tow truck driver got into my car and rolled ever so slowly out of sight down the road....90 seconds later he drives the car back up! He reckoned it was a key/ignition communication issue so I drove to Ford...they ran a test (€82) and confirmed that it's looking for the fuel additive and quoted €402 to have it replenished. I asked could the DPF need to be replaced soon and he said they never have to be replaced? Said this additive issue could cause the car to fail to start.
    While he was doing the bill I mentioned I heard that some people were having the DPF removed ...he gave a wry smile and shook his head...I pushed and he said probably not a good idea in the long run...yeah for Ford maybe! :) Had to reschule removal for next week. Has anybody else had the DPF removed?


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  • #42
    boardz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 551 ✭✭✭boardz


    Just to update and request help! I got the DPF removed by Spor tchip at 350 which is 200 less than Souhans for the same job. However while the engine faults have cleared the car is still not running right. Chugging and failed to start twice in the last week. Bringing it back to spchip on Thursday he will have a Ford tester unit but I saw an earlier post here http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=75410440 with similar issues and Plug mentioned the air valves......If I mention this to the mechanic should he know how to check? (Also saw the post where Plug saved a fellow user over 1000 euro! Kudos!) :D


  • #43
    Row
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,025 ✭✭✭Row


    boardz wrote: »
    yep there was a camshaft sensor fault showing ....the engine was turning over fine.

    Sounds like this could be your problem if it was not sorted out.

    Poor running can also be caused by...
    1)blocking/faulty egr valves.
    2)sticking air intake flaps.
    3)failing injector(s)


  • #44
    boardz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 551 ✭✭✭boardz


    Thanks Row.... the more pointers I can give to the mechanic the better....and also maybe to reduce any risk of 'creative diagnostics' if I give the impression that I have some knowledge :)


  • #45
    boardz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 551 ✭✭✭boardz


    The story (saga!) so far......still having trouble starting and when driving it seems to 'chug' in 4th and 5th gear very easily. Spchip reckons that there is a leak in the fuel line but he's not comfortable to replace it as no experience...it is marginally better if I have a full tank but still not right......any ideas or recommendations where I could bring the car? Besides the expense of bringing it to Ford not sure how they will react to the DPF removal and ECU remap?


  • #46
    volvoman480
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 283 ✭✭volvoman480


    Alright lads, might jump in with my own dpf problem if no one minds. I have an 07 Kia Carens 2.0CRDi. 125k on the clock. The engine management light came on last week, car is still under warranty so back to the dealer. They had the car for about an hour, cleared the faults and regenerated the filter. The light came back on a few days later, back to the dealer, cleared the fault and was told this wasn't unusual and give the car a good hard spin. The f***ing light came back on again within an hour. Since the dealer I bought the car from no longer sells Kia, I've been told to take it to another garage for repair.

    My question is, does any of this sound reasonable or normal? Small diesels aren't really my thing and I know nothing of these dpf thingys. Must ring the garage tomorrow and would just like to know roughly where I stand.


  • #47
    bazz26
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51,620 ✭✭✭✭bazz26


    Might be worth giving it a good long run where the engine is constantly reving over 2000 rpm to try and unblock the DPF? Short journey's kill diesels with DPFs fitted.


  • #48
    volvoman480
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 283 ✭✭volvoman480


    Yeah, I tried that on a good motorway run, kept the revs up good and high from Thurles back to Cork but no joy. Thanks for the advice though.


  • #49
    bazz26
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51,620 ✭✭✭✭bazz26


    It is possible that the DPF is totally knackered. I think the only thing to do might be to have the fault codes diagnosed by a Kia garage. It seems to me all the other garage is doing is clearing the faults rather than fixing the issue that is causing them. This is probably down to the fact that they no longer have the Kia franchise and will not do work as they will no longer be re-emborsed by Kia.


  • #50
    volvoman480
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 283 ✭✭volvoman480


    True enough, a friend of mine got the dpf in her car (identical to mine) replaced under warranty last year so fingers crossed. It's probably hideously expensive so I'll be hoping for the best.


  • #51
    bazz26
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51,620 ✭✭✭✭bazz26


    I had to replace the DPF in my old Volvo S40 at a cost of close to €1k. I was under the impression a DPF was not covered by warranty, if Kia are replacing them then I'd let them diagnose and fix/replace it.


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  • #52
    volvoman480
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 283 ✭✭volvoman480


    bazz26 wrote: »
    I had to replace the DPF in my old Volvo S40 at a cost of close to €1k. I was under the impression a DPF was not covered by warranty, if Kia are replacing them then I'd let them diagnose and fix/replace it.

    My thoughts exactly..

    A grand to replace the dpf would make my eyes water and render Mrs. Volvomans next shopping trip a strictly window shopping affair........


  • #53
    volvoman480
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 283 ✭✭volvoman480


    Quick update lads. Got the car back from the garage today. Apparently the dpf had been regenerated properly but the ecu hadn't been correctly reset. One quick ecu update later and all appears to be sorted. All done under warranty. Thank God for five year warranties. She'll probably fall apart in July as that's when it expires though...


  • #54
    boardz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 551 ✭✭✭boardz


    I think it's a good idea to close out on issues raised for the sake of completion. So I had an issue with my car not starting properly and running a little rough which Ford diagnosed as DPF fluid to be replaced at a cost of 402 euro so I decided to have the whole DPF system removed for 350 euro and the issue was still there. Changed the fuel filter and was advised to go to AD motorfactors in Clondalkin (Diesel Specialists) which I duly did and they diagnosed a problem with 2 of the injectors and repaired the faults the same day at a cost of 430 euro. Car running as it should again. Thanks again to all for their input/responses. :)


  • #55
    4agoodtime
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11 ✭4agoodtime


    Following on DPF problems, has anybody actually by-passed the dpf system with a straight pipe and then re-programme the ECU. It is not looking for the dpf then and, apparently, it works. But I don't know of anyone who got this done. If anyone has this done, I would love to hear about it, because cleaning the dpf filter is a short term solution and will come back to bite again.


  • #56
    vectra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,668 ✭✭✭✭vectra


    4agoodtime wrote: »
    Following on DPF problems, has anybody actually by-passed the dpf system with a straight pipe and then re-programme the ECU. It is not looking for the dpf then and, apparently, it works. But I don't know of anyone who got this done. If anyone has this done, I would love to hear about it, because cleaning the dpf filter is a short term solution and will come back to bite again.


    Ring Joe Power.
    He does that. There are a few guys I know got it done, What car??


  • #57
    4agoodtime
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11 ✭4agoodtime


    The car is a 2007 Mazda 5. 2.0Td. Dpf has been washed out, but the lights came on about 3 weeks later, which was a waste of time.


  • #58
    boardz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 551 ✭✭✭boardz


    I got it done on my car.........check my posts on this thread


  • #59
    4agoodtime
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11 ✭4agoodtime


    That's a great help. Thanks very much everyone.


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