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Another shooting spree in the US

  • 02-04-2012 08:29PM
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,562 ✭✭✭✭


    number of people have been killed and several injured in a shooting at a university in California, police say.
    US TV footage showed wounded people emerging from buildings at Oikos University in the city of Oakland.
    Police and armed response teams have surrounded the buildings, with reports suggesting the gunman has not yet been captured or contained.
    Oikos University is a private religious institution offering courses in theology, music and nursing.
    A nearby hospital has confirmed to US media that it is treating four victims in the wake of the shooting.
    Johnna Watson, of Oakland Police, said: "We do have fatalities, I cannot confirm the number of fatalities we have at this time. We additionally have victims who have suffered from gunshot wounds."
    The Oakland Fire Department says it was first notified of the shooting at about 10:50 local time (18:50 GMT).
    A police officer at the scene told reporters the gunman and has not been identified.

    http://www.google.ie/url?url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-17590859&rct=j&sa=X&ei=-Px5T7vgCpKJhQfd88mpDQ&ved=0CDMQgBAoADAA&q=bbc+news&usg=AFQjCNGiCXt1_MPY6p8z4pLFGUv4y45gog

    Another shooting spree in the US, Long history of this type of incident happening there,As its still breaking news its to early to say what this one is about.


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Comments

  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,653 ✭✭✭Ghandee


    The Americans really should review their crazy , 'too liberal' gun laws.


  • Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 5,620 ✭✭✭El_Dangeroso


    Ghandee wrote: »
    The Americans really should review their crazy , 'too liberal' gun laws.

    I dunno, don't the Canadians have more guns per person yet this type of event is rarely heard of there?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,093 ✭✭✭CiaranMT


    I dunno, don't the Canadians have more guns per person yet this type of event is rarely heard of there?

    Would be needing a source on this..


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 5,281 Mod ✭✭✭✭GoldFour4


    Ghandee wrote: »
    The Americans really should review their crazy , 'too liberal' gun laws.

    Its not about access to guns. Its more about the way American society has raised people to believe that its okay to take out your anger on a bunch of innocent people.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 424 ✭✭FinnLizzy


    Horrible stuff.

    I can only expect the rest of the month's US media is going to throw **** back and forth over whether too much guns, not enough guns, too much God or not enough God caused this too happen.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,514 ✭✭✭PseudoFamous


    I dunno, don't the Canadians have more guns per person yet this type of event is rarely heard of there?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_guns_per_capita_by_country

    I understand wikipedia often isn't entirely correct, but in looking at that, it's fair to say that Americans have a lot more guns than Canadians both per person and total.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,536 ✭✭✭AngryBollix


    Ghandee wrote: »
    The Americans really should review their crazy , 'too liberal' gun laws.


    The right to bear arms is a privilege afforded by their constitution though


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 829 ✭✭✭forfuxsake


    "..from my cold, dead hands"
    Fair enough Mr H.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,653 ✭✭✭Ghandee


    Its not about access to guns. Its more about the way American society has raised people to believe that its okay to take out your anger on a bunch of innocent people.

    Yeah, usually with guns though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,943 ✭✭✭ballsymchugh


    only one way to sort it out.

    bullet control



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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,536 ✭✭✭AngryBollix


    Like everything else in life, its not the equipment its the person using it thats at fault


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 5,281 Mod ✭✭✭✭GoldFour4


    Ghandee wrote: »
    Yeah, usually with guns though.

    But its legal for citizens to own guns in most countries, yet we only hear about this sort of thing happening in America. I know it happens in Finland a lot aswell but no nearly as often. I've never heard of something like this happening in Canada (I'm sure there have been some cases) and Canadians love guns just as much as their neighbours.


  • Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 5,620 ✭✭✭El_Dangeroso


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_guns_per_capita_by_country

    I understand wikipedia often isn't entirely correct, but in looking at that, it's fair to say that Americans have a lot more guns than Canadians both per person and total.


    Michael Moore lied to me. :eek:

    Jesus look at the US there in fine company with.. Serbia?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,536 ✭✭✭AngryBollix




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,653 ✭✭✭Ghandee


    But its legal for citizens to own guns in most countries, yet we only hear about this sort of thing happening in America. I know it happens in Finland a lot aswell but no nearly as often. I've never heard of something like this happening in Canada (I'm sure there have been some cases) and Canadians love guns just as much as their neighbours.

    I agree with most of your sentiments, but it could be something to do with the numbers of citizens involved.

    More Americans, means more likely it happens in that country.


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 7,943 Mod ✭✭✭✭Yakult


    Surprised it doesn't happen more in the USA. That place has some amount of loonies.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,661 ✭✭✭✭Helix


    Ghandee wrote: »
    I agree with most of your sentiments, but it could be something to do with the numbers of citizens involved.

    More Americans, means more likely it happens in that country.

    it's more to do with the fact that their country is essentially a continent

    it's a big place, with a lot of people living there

    3 school shootings a year happen in america and its "jesus those yanks, it's always happening there", but 3 happen in different countries across europe and it doesnt look anywhere near as bad or uniform


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,070 ✭✭✭yermandan


    RIP

    Its a problem too far gone to ever have a successful solution. Freedom to bear arms me bollix


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,137 ✭✭✭44leto


    As passed by the Congress:
    A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

    As ratified by the States and authenticated by Thomas Jefferson, Secretary of State:

    A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.[

    Its rather strange wording in the second amendment. You have the right to form a well regulated militia, therefore you have the right to bear arms. But the US government are not that fond of militias and have shoot-out with them all the time. So technically is an armed drug gang a militia. Therefore are their firearms legal.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,300 ✭✭✭hairyprincess


    Source: http://www.reuters.com/article/2007/08/28/us-world-firearms-idUSL2834893820070828
    (Reuters) - The United States has 90 guns for every 100 citizens, making it the most heavily armed society in the world, a report released on Tuesday said. U.S. citizens own 270 million of the world's 875 million known firearms, according to the Small Arms Survey 2007 by the Geneva-based Graduate Institute of International Studies.
    About 4.5 million of the 8 million new guns manufactured worldwide each year are purchased in the United States, it said.
    "There is roughly one firearm for every seven people worldwide. Without the United States, though, this drops to about one firearm per 10 people," it said.
    India had the world's second-largest civilian gun arsenal, with an estimated 46 million firearms outside law enforcement and the military, though this represented just four guns per 100 people there. China, ranked third with 40 million privately held guns, had 3 firearms per 100 people.
    Germany, France, Pakistan, Mexico, Brazil and Russia were next in the ranking of country's overall civilian gun arsenals.
    On a per-capita basis, Yemen had the second most heavily armed citizenry behind the United States, with 61 guns per 100 people, followed by Finland with 56, Switzerland with 46, Iraq with 39 and Serbia with 38.
    France, Canada, Sweden, Austria and Germany were next, each with about 30 guns per 100 people, while many poorer countries often associated with violence ranked much lower. Nigeria, for instance, had just one gun per 100 people.
    "Firearms are very unevenly distributed around the world. The image we have of certain regions such as Africa or Latin America being awash with weapons -- these images are certainly misleading," Small Arms Survey director Keith Krause said.
    "Weapons ownership may be correlated with rising levels of wealth, and that means we need to think about future demand in parts of the world where economic growth is giving people larger disposable income," he told a Geneva news conference.
    The report, which relied on government data, surveys and media reports to estimate the size of world arsenals, estimated there were 650 million civilian firearms worldwide, and 225 million held by law enforcement and military forces.
    Five years ago, the Small Arms Survey had estimated there were a total of just 640 million firearms globally.
    "Civilian holdings of weapons worldwide are much larger than we previously believed," Krause said, attributing the increase largely to better research and more data on weapon distribution networks.
    Only about 12 percent of civilian weapons are thought to be registered with authorities.


    This article is five years old, but these figures are startling. Why do the US citizens feel such a need to arm themselves?


    RIP to those who lost their lives.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 12,333 ✭✭✭✭JONJO THE MISER


    Suspect is now in custody, believed to be a korean male.
    However police and swat teams are still clearing and searching the area which is in a heavy populated part of Oakland.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,895 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    Ghandee wrote: »
    The Americans really should review their crazy , 'too liberal' gun laws.

    It's Oakland, California, a few miles from where I work.

    The place is hardly known for its liberal gun laws, but it's well known for its violence.
    The United States has 90 guns for every 100 citizens [...] Why do the US citizens feel such a need to arm themselves?

    Because we like shooting and there are a lot of shooting sports.

    Take a double-barrel for clay pigeon shooting.
    A heavy-barrel bolt action for long range shooting.
    A .308 or such for deer hunting
    A 5.56mm for varminting.
    A pistol for self defence/Carry
    Another pistol for IPSC competition.

    And if you're actually an enthusiast, like myself, you might have several of one type. I've 2x 5.56mm rifles, for example. No particular need for it, but they're both works of the rifle-maker's art. Like my in-law's car collection, they spend most time gathering dust, but they're good to take out and drive on rare occasions.

    NTM


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 34,808 ✭✭✭✭smash


    I blame Zelda! because it's just too easy to blame call of duty.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    I wonder if this college had a "no guns on campus" rule.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 180 ✭✭chickendinner


    Helix wrote: »
    it's more to do with the fact that their country is essentially a continent

    it's a big place, with a lot of people living there

    3 school shootings a year happen in america and its "jesus those yanks, it's always happening there", but 3 happen in different countries across europe and it doesnt look anywhere near as bad or uniform

    Last I heard there was 300 million people living in USA and approx 800million in Europe (read last year have no link to sources)
    depending on which countries you include.

    By your reasoning there should be 10 schools shot up in Europe each year.
    I dont think there is.
    To suggest they dont have a problem, is well, part of the problem.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 638 ✭✭✭flanders1979


    The US government makes its citizens paranoid about "commies", muslims, african americans and loads of other things. They feel the need to own a weapon. Loads of money in selling weapons.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,895 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    Bambi wrote: »
    I wonder if this college had a "no guns on campus" rule.

    It's Alameda County. It has a defacto 'no guns anywhere' rule, with approximately 200 carry permits issued in a county of 1.5million. State law dictates it has to honour permits issued by other counties, but since almost all the neighbouring counties have similar rates of issuance, it's a bit of a moot concern. I have plenty of combat experience, a high-end security clearance, and am an Army officer, and have thus far been denied a carry permit, if it gives you an idea. The violent crime rate in Alameda County is some 60% higher than the State average.
    You have the right to form a well regulated militia, therefore you have the right to bear arms. But the US government are not that fond of militias and have shoot-out with them all the time. So technically is an armed drug gang a militia. Therefore are their firearms legal.

    A couple of mistakes here.

    Firstly, US federal law defines most of the adult population of the country as being members of the militia. Then the States have their own militia laws as well. Private militias are not objected to, as long as they don't do anything illegal. Firearms owned by members of a drug gang may or may not be illegal, depending on how they're obtained, carried, and who they are carried by.
    Going on from that, the US Supreme Court also ruled that the militia clause, prefactory, is simply an enhancement of the already pre-existing right to arms which existed when the country was founded. The core right of self defence is not reliant upon membership of a militia, thus your right to have a gun is similarly not reliant upon membership of a militia.

    NTM


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 755 ✭✭✭sea_monkey


    it would be next to impossible to invade america
    every street you went into would have people shooting at you


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,649 ✭✭✭Luap


    Just ban all shooting video games, that should do it.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    It's Alameda County. It has a defacto 'no guns anywhere' rule, with approximately 200 carry permits issued in a county of 1.5million. State law dictates it has to honour permits issued by other counties, but since almost all the neighbouring counties have similar rates of issuance, it's a bit of a moot concern. I have plenty of combat experience, a high-end security clearance, and am an Army officer, and have thus far been denied a carry permit, if it gives you an idea. The violent crime rate in Alameda County is some 60% higher than the State average.
    NTM

    Well, its really working out for them at the moment :confused:


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