Wallet stolen, emptied and returned

Born to Die · 02-04-2012 12:32PM

minotour wrote: »

Ochams Razor

Theory 1:
You had no cash so you payed using your card, you left said card in the store by accident, thus leaving an empty wallet.

(theory assumes you have only one card:D)

Theory 2:

When you switched the wallet between pockets, you extracted it upside down and all cotents fell to the floor.

(theory assumes you are right handed)

Final comment:

the interaction between the 2 guys cant be relevant unless there was an un-mentioned time lapse, it reads to me like they had a genunine interaction over something they were already engaged in. How could the guy coming up the other side of the escalator have had any influence on you? How could he have gotten into position if it was some kind of distraction technique? Had the interaction been reveresed then maybe it would hint at some collusion but the fact is the guy on the other side claims to have "got it" when in reality it should have been the guy behind you who "got it".

One suspects this is an attempt at a defence. Where do you work?

:pac:

sbsquarepants · 02-04-2012 12:50PM

Seachmall wrote: »

And any scumbag could take a wallet from an outer pocket, no skills required.

True. But taking it is one thing, taking it, stripping it and putting it back, on an escalator in a shopping centre is quite a different matter. It's an overly convoluted crime i think. A much more likely scenario is he spent the money and lost the cards, or put them somewhere and then forgot about it. The simpler explanation is usually the correct one!

knowit12 · 02-04-2012 12:57PM

sbsquarepants wrote: »

True. But taking it is one thing, taking it, stripping it and putting it back, on an escalator in a shopping centre is quite a different matter. It's an overly convoluted crime i think. A much more likely scenario is he spent the money and lost the cards, or put them somewhere and then forgot about it. The simpler explanation is usually the correct one!

Don't be ridiculous - think the guy would know if he misplaced his cards somewhere else, and as he stated he had just used one of the cards to pay in the shop.

thieves/robbers are experts at that kind of stuff - thats generally why the rob.

A friend of mine house got robbed last year - in the space of 5 mins they managed to clear out almost EVERYTHING in her living room.

I do belive that removing someones wallet from their pocket taken cards/money and then returning the wallet can be done in a matter of seconds.

sf80 · 02-04-2012 01:07PM

- Bank card, credit card and cash were in the wallet when I paid
- The only time the wallet was easily accessible was on the escalator. Before that it was in my hand, after that it was in an inside pocket
- The shop wasn't packed, I wasn't close to anyone at all, especially long enough to take things and put it back, except on the escalator
- The person behind me on the escalator would have seen exactly where I put the wallet, they were behind me from the till to the escalator
- I put the wallet in an inside pocket right after the escalator
- The only things missing from the wallet were cash, credit card and bank card; there were a few other cards in there that were all still there
- The cash would not have fallen out of a closed wallet

To me the idea that just the cash and cards managed to fall out doesn't seem to be the simplest explanation. Of course it is possible, and I wouldn't go **** in the guy's toaster while that possibility, slim as I see it to be, exists.

AboutTwoFiddy · 02-04-2012 01:09PM

sf80 wrote: »

To me the idea that just the cash and cards managed to fall out doesn't seem to be the simplest explanation. Of course it is possible, and I wouldn't go **** in the guy's toaster while that possibility, slim as I see it to be, exists.

Well there we have it then.

sf80 · 02-04-2012 01:16PM

AboutTwoFiddy wrote: »

Well there we have it then.

Well there we don't; I'm just willing to accept that it's a possibility, but I see it as less of a possibility. Just like god, I'm not going to say it doesn't exist, that doesn't mean I believe it or it's even very likely.

pickarooney · 02-04-2012 03:54PM

Awful vitcim blaming going on here.

xzanti · 02-04-2012 04:00PM

CardBordWindow wrote: »

Go back to the store, wait til closing, and follow the guy home. Then shít in his toaster, turn it on, and then leave.

Blanchardstown hot pocket?

Nice

Seachmall · 02-04-2012 04:21PM

pickarooney wrote: »

Awful vitcim blaming going on here.

In most cases of pick-pocketing the victim does have some culpability. It's an opportunistic* crime that relies on the victim ineffectively securing their possessions.

In this instance it was, in my opinion, an understandable slip-up on the OP's part (when compared to someone who might constantly carry their wallet in their outer jacket pocket, or back pocket for that matter). I do it all the time when rushing out of a shop, just dump my wallet and everything in the easiest pocket to organise everything later once I'm out of the way.

It was an unfortunate time to run into a pick-pocket, just when you have temporarily shifted everything to the easiest pocket to steal from, and there is some responsibility for making that mistake (albeit not much as it's not a common crime and it was just a short-term solution).

I don't think anyone is blaming the OP for the crime, obviously he's not to blame, but hopefully he'll take it as a lesson learned and hopefully he didn't lose much.

*I wouldn't actually classify pickpocketing as an opportunistic crime, but in this instance it clearly was.

sbsquarepants · 02-04-2012 05:01PM

knowit12 wrote: »

Don't be ridiculous - think the guy would know if he misplaced his cards somewhere else, and as he stated he had just used one of the cards to pay in the shop.

thieves/robbers are experts at that kind of stuff - thats generally why the rob.

A friend of mine house got robbed last year - in the space of 5 mins they managed to clear out almost EVERYTHING in her living room.

I do belive that removing someones wallet from their pocket taken cards/money and then returning the wallet can be done in a matter of seconds.

But surely the whole thing about loosing something is that you don't know where you put it?
Either way OP it's shítty luck, you're missing your stuff, but i just think it's more likely that you lost it rather than fell victim to some light fingered villain. At least it wasn't much money!!

sf80 · 05-04-2012 03:41PM

sbsquarepants wrote: »

But surely the whole thing about loosing something is that you don't know where you put it?
Either way OP it's shítty luck, you're missing your stuff, but i just think it's more likely that you lost it rather than fell victim to some light fingered villain. At least it wasn't much money!!

300 euro spent online with tesco on the laser card; bank says they're seeing it happening a lot lately, no pin required.

Faolchu · 05-04-2012 03:44PM

sf80 wrote: »

300 euro spent online with tesco on the laser card; bank says they're seeing it happening a lot lately, no pin required.

if its spent online then theres probably a transaction number, get that if possible and provide it to the gardai. they can in turn get the delivery address from tesco and knock on someones door.

05-04-2012 04:13PM

Watch out for those accordion wielding skunks you see around Blanchardstown, they'll take your wallet and chew the leather.

holystungun9 · 05-04-2012 04:20PM

Seachmall wrote: »

Out of curiosity, were they the stereotypical Roma Gypsies pickpockets or homegrown Irish pickpockets?

Yeah, or were they the gay black muslim amputee ones? Hate those fellas.

charlemont · 05-04-2012 04:25PM

CardBordWindow wrote: »

Go back to the store, wait til closing, and follow the guy home. Then shít in his toaster, turn it on,kick him senseless and then leave.

ProfessorWeeto · 05-04-2012 04:45PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Now, I'm no expert pickpocket, but was this the longest escalator in the world or something? I'm assuming it would take longer than that to remove all credit cards!

Depends on what escalator we are talking about. Blanch shopping centre has the standard ones, but also the big long escalator thats also used for trolles (the one by HMV on Level 2) You could easily just stand on it going down for 20-30 seconds. Especially when busy. Was this the one you were going down, OP?

But it is odd the way the pick-pocket put it back. But then again if something was so easy and quick to lift out, why not put it back in if thats quick and easy too, you'd be well down the road before the person realises the contents are gone. As the wallet remains.

MaxSteele · 05-04-2012 06:34PM

That's unfortunate.

What was the name of the shop and what did the two f****** look like ??
The cashier following you straight out and having that very suspicious exchange of words with the other bloke can't be coincidence. Seriously I'd love to know.

oppenheimer1 · 05-04-2012 07:04PM

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

Its more of a moving pathway with a slight incline than an escalator, theres no steps. Takes about 60 seconds to get from top to bottom.

Ah one of the types that you're meant to walk on, not stand around like a spare tit on. No one in this country seems to grasp this...

Its the ones in the Airport that take the biscuit though...

Pottler · 05-04-2012 10:10PM

CardBordWindow wrote: »

Go back to the store, wait til closing, and follow the guy home. Then shít in his toasterthen get kicked senseless, turn it on, and then leave in an ambulance.

or this. Did you even mention this to the center security? Can't see the Guards being too keen to unleash CSI Dublin West tbh but Paul Blart might get a buzz out of cracking the case..

Dermighty · 05-04-2012 10:12PM

Quazzie wrote: »

Why would someone pick your pocket on an escalator? If they get caught where can they go.

Up or down, depending on the direction the elevator is travelling.

Socialist_Pig · 05-04-2012 10:18PM

sf80 wrote: »

It would have been a trivial task to take it and return it, no skill required.

what??were you half asleep and didnt notice somebody doing a trivial task like taking your wallet out of your pocket,taking the cash and putting it back in

You on meds or something??

sf80 · 11-04-2012 11:17AM

Socialist_Pig wrote: »

what??were you half asleep and didnt notice somebody doing a trivial task like taking your wallet out of your pocket,taking the cash and putting it back in

You on meds or something??

No meds :P but the side pocket on the jacket wasn't tight at all.

For an update, the gards were very helpful; they went to the store the day after I talked to them and checked the video. The clerk is standing right behind me but their hands are in clear view and the they don't take it.

The bank has refunded the money that was taken, but they couldn't give me any details other than that no pin was used so they think it was online. Tesco didn't provide the bank with any details, apparently they only provide details if they are disputing the report.

Seachmall · 11-04-2012 11:25AM

sf80 wrote: »

No meds :P but the side pocket on the jacket wasn't tight at all.

For an update, the gards were very helpful; they went to the store the day after I talked to them and checked the video. The clerk is standing right behind me but their hands are in clear view and the they don't take it.

The bank has refunded the money that was taken, but they couldn't give me any details other than that no pin was used so they think it was online. Tesco didn't provide the bank with any details, apparently they only provide details if they are disputing the report.

All's well that ends well.

Pity you didn't get footage of the pickpocket though, but at least the bank refunded the stolen money.

Wallet stolen, emptied and returned

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