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Household Charge Mega-Thread [Part 2] *Poll Reset*

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  • #1112
    alfa beta
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 763 ✭✭✭alfa beta


    hondasam wrote: »
    I don't think the size of your house should matter.

    size always matters....(at least that's what I'm told!)


  • #1113
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    hondasam wrote: »
    I don't think the size of your house should matter.

    I'm disgusting but when I read that I had a sudden flash in my mind of "Its not the size of it that counts - its what you do with it!"

    Sorry. Carry on... :o:D


  • #1114
    hondasam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,418 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    alfa beta wrote: »
    size always matters....(at least that's what I'm told!)

    If we are paying a household charge for local amenities then the size of your house should not matter.


  • #1115
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 54,785 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Bishop_Donal wrote: »
    I think yes is 3 to 1 on?

    3 grand gets you 10 years free Household Tax :rolleyes:


  • #1116
    Bruthal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,370 ✭✭✭✭Bruthal


    alfa beta wrote: »
    size always matters....(at least that's what I'm told!)

    And if you use the back door or the front door the most.


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  • #1117
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,298 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    tayto lover wrote: »
    Had you watched News items you would have seen many elderly people who said they paid because they were afraid of fines etc. Loads of callers to Phone Ins too.

    I heard some radio ads telling people if they owned a house they could be liable for the charge. I don't regard that as bullying or scaremongering. It should be natural for all sections of the population elderly included to want to obey the law and recognise that not doing so usually has consequences.


  • #1118
    Bruthal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,370 ✭✭✭✭Bruthal


    tayto lover wrote: »
    3 grand gets you 10 years free Household Tax :rolleyes:

    Id say it will get us 4 years at most.


  • #1119
    Bullseye1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,731 ✭✭✭Bullseye1


    Bishop_Donal wrote: »
    This country is turning a corner.

    Really? Care to expand?

    Companies going out of business every day.
    23% VAT has reduced sales in domestic economy.
    Banks refusing to loan even though billions pumped in.
    No one being given mortgages and therefore property no selling. This has led to property prices still falling and pushing more properties into negative equity.
    Fuel prices rising (majority going to government) and likely to rise even further. This will raise inflation, food everything will rise. People already have less to spend.
    Public expenditure still way too high for what we bring in. Government has failed to tackle high public sector wage bill and pensions.
    Large numbers emigrating.

    Turning the corner me arse.


  • #1120
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,182 ✭✭✭dvpower


    hondasam wrote: »
    If we are paying a household charge for local amenities then the size of your house should not matter.
    It'll be more likely based on house value, not size, on the assumption that people with valuable houses can afford to pay more.


  • #1121
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 54,785 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    I heard some radio ads telling people if they owned a house they could be liable for the charge. I don't regard that as bullying or scaremongering. It should be natural for all sections of the population elderly included to want to obey the law and recognise that not doing so usually has consequences.

    Fines taken out of your pension, visitors from the council etc etc.


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  • #1122
    hondasam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,418 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    dvpower wrote: »
    It'll be more likely based on house value, not size, on the assumption that people with valuable houses can afford to pay more.

    Property is worth so much less now, who will value the houses?


  • #1123
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    hondasam wrote: »
    Property is worth so much less now, who will value the houses?

    Probably Phil hogan.
    He's an auctioneer after all.


  • #1124
    Bishop_Donal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 615 ✭✭✭Bishop_Donal


    Bullseye1 wrote: »
    Really? Care to expand?

    Companies going out of business every day.
    23% VAT has reduced sales in domestic economy.
    Banks refusing to loan even though billions pumped in.
    No one being given mortgages and therefore property no selling. This has led to property prices still falling and pushing more properties into negative equity.
    Fuel prices rising (majority going to government) and likely to rise even further. This will raise inflation, food everything will rise. People already have less to spend.
    Public expenditure still way too high for what we bring in. Government has failed to tackle high public sector wage bill and pensions.
    Large numbers emigrating.

    Turning the corner me arse.

    I'll grant you we have a hell of a long way to go, but you have to start somewhere. The FG policy of widening the tax base (both direct and indirect tax) is exactly the correct approach IMO.

    Public expenditure reform is vital, I just hope to God they have the guts for it.

    Growth is the third part of the strategy, and if some confidence can be created, coupled with the previous two points, there is a chance we can recover to some extent.

    You just have to start somewhere, and we have to bridge the gap.


  • #1125
    hondasam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,418 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    I heard some radio ads telling people if they owned a house they could be liable for the charge. I don't regard that as bullying or scaremongering. It should be natural for all sections of the population elderly included to want to obey the law and recognise that not doing so usually has consequences.

    Elderly people take these thing more serious than the rest of us and will pay up. I heard a post mistress on the other day and she said the elderly were scared and worried about paying.


  • #1126
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 54,785 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    hondasam wrote: »
    Property is worth so much less now, who will value the houses?

    Self-evaluation I hear.


  • #1127
    hondasam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,418 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    tayto lover wrote: »
    Self-evaluation I hear.

    Really, I can put my own value on my house. Everyone will undervalue.


  • #1128
    Bruthal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,370 ✭✭✭✭Bruthal


    mikom wrote: »
    Probably Phil hogan.
    He's an auctioneer after all.

    Yes thats what will happen. And it will suit an auctioneer to inflate the values, particularly this one.


  • #1129
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,182 ✭✭✭dvpower


    hondasam wrote: »
    Property is worth so much less now, who will value the houses?
    Hard to tell. Self declaration I'd say, but with the use of the property price database to set some standards. It'll be difficult to police, especially in rural areas.


  • #1130
    Bruthal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,370 ✭✭✭✭Bruthal


    hondasam wrote: »
    Really, I can put my own value on my house. Everyone will undervalue.

    They will have some ridiculous lower limit, like houses below 100k = tax of €200, above 100k = €500, and so on.


  • #1131
    Bullseye1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,731 ✭✭✭Bullseye1


    Location location location. We will see how this one works out. :D


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  • #1132
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 54,785 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    robbie7730 wrote: »
    They will have some ridiculous lower limit, like houses below 100k = tax of €200, above 100k = €500, and so on.

    My 5 bed is only worth about 80k now :D


  • #1133
    Bruthal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,370 ✭✭✭✭Bruthal


    tayto lover wrote: »
    My 5 bed is only worth about 80k now :D

    :D


  • #1134
    Bullseye1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,731 ✭✭✭Bullseye1


    robbie7730 wrote: »
    They will have some ridiculous lower limit, like houses below 100k = tax of €200, above 100k = €500, and so on.

    You could be right but why limit to one or two bands?

    50,000-100,000
    100,000-200,000
    200,000-300,000
    And so on. A jump like you suggest would be taking the piss.


  • #1135
    hondasam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,418 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    robbie7730 wrote: »
    They will have some ridiculous lower limit, like houses below 100k = tax of €200, above 100k = €500, and so on.

    For the purpose of the household tax it will be in the below 100k but If I'm selling it goes in the realistic above 100k.


  • #1136
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,298 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    tayto lover wrote: »
    Fines taken out of your pension, visitors from the council etc etc.

    Everyone was given 3 months to pay but predictably on a self registration basis a certain proportion didn't. That proportion will likely be around the 42% which I predicted a long time back but will diminish over time with late payers.

    None of what you mention above has happened yet but the authorities will have to get the money from non payers in some fashion. Unfortunately this is likely to involve extra expense but it may be offset by the arrears which will be collected.


  • #1137
    Bruthal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,370 ✭✭✭✭Bruthal


    Bullseye1 wrote: »
    You could be right but why limit to one or two bands?

    50,000-100,000
    100,000-200,000
    200,000-300,000
    And so on. A jump like you suggest would be taking the piss.

    I was just giving the lower end of the scale. Thats why i was suggesting "and so on"

    Id say there will be a lower end to start off, that is well below everything but ruins. And above this is €500 in the next 2 or 3 years.


  • #1138
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,182 ✭✭✭dvpower


    alfa beta wrote: »
    I was just wondering...

    when a 'fair and equitable' version of this tax is introduced next year - one which is high for big expensive houses and low for small cheap houses then what will the left have to complain about...

    ...because, lets face it, they'll have to complain about something...

    I'm looking forward to that debate already...
    No matter what is proposed, they will pick on some aspect of it and say it is unfair. I expect the 'No to Property Tax' campaign to be led by the same people as the anti Household Charge people, but with the followers having nothing in common expect the certainty that Bono should be paying more.


  • #1139
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,182 ✭✭✭dvpower


    hondasam wrote: »
    For the purpose of the household tax it will be in the below 100k but If I'm selling it goes in the realistic above 100k.
    Thats where the property price database kicks in.
    I'd also expect some clawback if you sell your house for a figure greatly inflated from the value you declared on it.


  • #1140
    Bruthal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,370 ✭✭✭✭Bruthal


    Bullseye1 wrote: »
    You could be right but why limit to one or two bands?

    50,000-100,000
    100,000-200,000
    200,000-300,000
    And so on. A jump like you suggest would be taking the piss.

    Just had a quick look.

    Some proposal or other, not that it means a thing.
    http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/kfqlidaueysn/rss2/
    It proposed charges of €188 for houses up to the value of €150,000; €563 for houses valued between €150,000 and €300,000; €938 on houses between €300,000 and €450,000; €1,313 for houses up to €600,000 and €2,188 on houses valued at up to €1 million.


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  • #1141
    hondasam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,418 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    dvpower wrote: »
    Thats where the property price database kicks in.
    I'd also expect some clawback if you sell your house for a figure greatly inflated from the value you declared on it.

    It will not be self declaration,open to way too much abuse from the likes of me. I would imagine there will be lots of different factors to be taken into account, size, location, year it was built etc.


    Edit, €938 ffs


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