Infamous Islamophobe Geert Wilders funded by US Right-Wing

Brown Bomber · 30-03-2012 01:42AM #1

In the same week that a young Iraq-born mother of five was savagely beaten to death in her San Diego home with a note left "Terrorist. Go Home" Geert Wilders, a Dutch MP for the Freedom Party (PVV) was outed as a Neocon shill by his own former party member Hero Brinkman who recently split from the PVV and divulged that Wilders is financed solely through donations. . Wilders is a prominent member of the global anti-Islamic network, being the creator of anti-Islamic hate film Fitna for example. He doesn't consider Islam to be a religion and wants to ban the Koran.

According to earlier Dutch reports Wilders is financed by extremists from the US and Israel. He was also investigated by Dutch intelligence services for being an Israeli spy.

Wilders and the US Israel lobby

A crucial detail about Wilders’ party, the PVV, is that it only has two official members: himself, and the Friends of the PVV Foundation which he formed as a finance-gathering apparatus.

Dutch law states that every party with a membership of 100,000 or more can receive state subsidy. Wilders’ decision to keep his party in his own hands therefore also has severe financial consequences.

Someone else aside from the Dutch state has to provide the money. Much of it comes from the US, where Wilders travels regularly. According to the Volkskrant, in 2008 Wilders even changed the statutes of the Foundation to ensure that it could be used to accept donations for legal cases – the grounds of which remain unspecified in the document – that he might be faced with.

The Dutch press has tracked down several of the principal financial sources for the PVV in the US. Two figures stand out: David Horowitz and Daniel Pipes. Horowitz runs the online FrontPage Magazine and the David Horowitz Freedom Center, which with an annual budget of around 5 million dollars is an important financier of outlets such as Jihad Watch and Islam critic Robert Spencer.

According to the NRC, it was Horowitz who introduced the Dutchman to leading conservative activists Senator Jim DeMint and Dick Cheney´s daughter Liz last year, and brought Wilders into contact with one of his own financiers who is not named.

Pipes is founder of the pro-Israeli Middle East Forum and has long been in favour of a pre-emptive strike against Iran. Pipes also formed the Legal Project in 2007 to raise and distribute funds for researchers, journalists, and authors who face legal battles based on their critical statements about Islam – ‘jihad by court’, as they say.

Wilders is of course an ideal recipient. In 2009 Pipes managed to round up “an amount in six figures” for Wilders in the USA. Interesting detail is that both Horowitz and Pipes belong to the Right of the Republicans but see Wilders mainly as a useful extension of their pro-Israeli agitating.

Horowitz literally said in this article that he couldn’t make the same anti-Islamic comments as Wilders in the US because it would be too dangerous. Then there is the American Freedom Alliance, who honoured Wilders with a reception in the Reagan Library in October 2009. Officially the AFA doesn’t do fund-raising for the PVV. But of course, gatherings such as this are ideal for opening up private channels.

So what of Israel? Vrij Nederland covered that angle in an article last year. Interesting part of the narrative was the trail behind Wilders’ film Fitna, which appeared in many scenes to be a very close (if not identical) copy to the earlier 80-minute documentary Obsession: Radical Islam’s War against the West, which Horowitz promoted in the US.

Financial supporters for the film (which is meant to have cost $400,000) came from the obscure Clarion Fund and the orthodox Jewish religious/cultural organisation Aish HaTorah, based in Jerusalem opposite the Wailing Wall and closely linked to the West Bank settler movement.

In December 2008 Wilders spoke at the Facing Jihad conference in Jerusalem, where he also showed Fitna in Israel for the first time. There were few Europeans present, but several US neocons like Pipes and his blog-groupie Pamela Geller.

The conference was organised by Arieh Eldad, former Israeli army officer and leader of the extreme right Hatikva party tht places itself on the no-compromise right of Benjamin Netanyahu. For these groups the West Bank should be emptied of Palestinians, who can leave to neighbouring Arab states, to ensure a secure Jewish nation – a crucial part of the global struggle against the Islamic threat.

Financial support for the conference came from the Ariel Center for Policy Research, a base for the anti Peace Process hawks in Israeli politics, who propagate their views via the publication Nativ.
http://www.dutchnews.nl/columns/2010/06/wilders_and_the_us_israel_lobb.php

The Clarion Fund (who funded Wilders film), Pipes and Horrowitz all have Zionist billionaire Sheldon Adelson to thank for their existence.

The same Sheldon Adelson who wants his son to grow up to be an IDF sniper.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EGgCdChPOw

The same Sheldon Adelson who is bankrolling Newt Gingrich's campaign for The White House.

And why?
Gingrich: Adelson supports me because of Israel

http://www.politico.com/blogs/burns-haberman/2012/01/gingrich-adelson-supports-me-because-of-israel-112665.html

The same Newt Gingrich who would only support a hypothethical American Muslim Presidential candidate if he publically denounced Shariah Law.

Jeboa Safari · 30-03-2012 02:48AM

People with similar ideologies in supporting each other shocker

Jonny7 · 30-03-2012 11:37AM

whats the conspiracy?

Brown Bomber · 31-03-2012 03:44PM

Jonny7 wrote: »

whats the conspiracy?

A programme of dehumanisation of Muslims worldwide to manipulate world public opinion into not caring when Muslims are killed and ethnically cleansed from land stolen from them or when they are invaded and have their natural resources stolen.

31-03-2012 04:44PM

Brown Bomber wrote: »

A programme of dehumanisation of Muslims worldwide to manipulate world public opinion into not caring when Muslims are killed and ethnically cleansed from land stolen from them or when they are invaded and have their natural resources stolen.

And what exactly leads you to believe that this is part of a programme?

Why can't it just be a case of people who have an irrational bias and hatred who like to overhype and scaremonger about a group of people using anything they can to smear that group.

Honestly, I don't see much difference between the nonsense that these guys claim and the nonsense you claim, this program being a good example of it.
Cept that they're better funded.

Brown Bomber · 31-03-2012 08:27PM

King Mob wrote: »

And what exactly leads you to believe that this is part of a programme?

Why can't it just be a case of people who have an irrational bias and hatred who like to overhype and scaremonger about a group of people using anything they can to smear that group.

Honestly, I don't see much difference between the nonsense that these guys claim and the nonsense you claim, this program being a good example of it.
Cept that they're better funded.

It doesn't matter if they hate because they are paid or are paid because they hate. Either way they are subservient to their Zionist paymasters and must stay on message. It's an international network who all push the same message.

For example Newt Gingrich before receiving Adelson's millions:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/01/18/is-gingrich-s-hard-line-on-palestine-paid-for-by-sheldon-adelson.html

urged the “Palestinian diaspora” to invest in “their ancestral lands,” and even urged Congress to “establish a program of economic aid for the Palestinians to match the aid the U.S. government provides Israel.”

And after receiving Zionist money:

The Palestinians are an invented people

It's extreme Zionists like Aubrey Chernick and Sheldon Adelson who are the top of the pyramid funding the propaganda of the likes of right-wing, pro-Zionists like Pipes, Horrowitz, Geller and Spencer in the US who are interconnected with extremist groups across Europe with Wilders as the figurehead, but you also have The EDL, Swedish Democrats and other Islamophobic groups all pushing the same pro-settler, pro-Israel, anti-Islam, clash of civilisations agenda. With Anders Breivik being a result of all this conditioning.

This article explains briefly the network with Israel at it's core.
Europe's Right-Wing Populists Find Allies in Israel

http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/0,1518,777175-2,00.html

Dehumanising the enemy is nothing new. Why is it so hard for you to accept when it is staring you in the face?

31-03-2012 08:35PM

Brown Bomber wrote: »

It doesn't matter if they hate because they are paid or are paid because they hate. Either way they are subservient to their Zionist paymasters and must stay on message. It's an international network who all push the same message.

For example Newt Gingrich before receiving Adelson's millions:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/01/18/is-gingrich-s-hard-line-on-palestine-paid-for-by-sheldon-adelson.html

And after receiving Zionist money:

It's extreme Zionists like Aubrey Chernick and Sheldon Adelson who are the top of the pyramid funding the propaganda of the likes of right-wing, pro-Zionists like Pipes, Horrowitz, Geller and Spencer in the US who are interconnected with extremist groups across Europe with Wilders as the figurehead, but you also have The EDL, Swedish Democrats and other Islamophobic groups all pushing the same pro-settler, pro-Israel, anti-Islam, clash of civilisations agenda. With Anders Breivik being a result of all this conditioning.

This article explains briefly the network with Israel at it's core.
Europe's Right-Wing Populists Find Allies in Israel

http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/0,1518,777175-2,00.html

Dehumanising the enemy is nothing new. Why is it so hard for you to accept when it is staring you in the face?

For the same reason I don't buy the Islamic boogeyman Wilders is selling me.

You are doing exactly the same thing you are charging them with.
You are trying to manipulate people's opinion against you prefered shadowy menance. And you're being extra obvious about it in this thread.

Brown Bomber · 31-03-2012 10:22PM

King Mob wrote: »

For the same reason I don't buy the Islamic boogeyman Wilders is selling me.

You are doing exactly the same thing you are charging them with.
You are trying to manipulate people's opinion against you prefered shadowy menance. And you're being extra obvious about it in this thread.

Your nonsense post only highlights your ignorance. I'd suggest reading this sharpish to inform yourself.

Fear, Inc.

The Roots of the Islamophobia Network in America

Download this report (pdf)
Read the report in your web browser (Scribd)
Download individual chapters of the report (pdf):
Introduction and summary

Chapter 1: Donors to the Islamophobia network

Chapter 2: The Islamophobia misinformation experts

Chapter 3: The grassroots organizations and the religious right

Chapter 4: The right-wing media enablers of anti-Islam propaganda

Chapter 5: The political players

Conclusion

Video: Ask the Expert: Faiz Shakir on the Group Behind Islamophobia

31-03-2012 10:28PM

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Your nonsense post only highlights your ignorance. I'd suggest reading this sharpish to inform yourself.

Why should I exactly? It has nothing to do with the topic which involves Islamiphobia in Europe, nor does it seem to support your claim that the Zionist/Israeli boogeyman is behind it all.

The fact you are claiming that makes your position hilariously hypocritical.

Brown Bomber · 31-03-2012 10:37PM

King Mob wrote: »

Why should I exactly?

So you won't make ignorant comments like you have throughout.

King Mob wrote: »

It has nothing to do with the topic which involves Islamiphobia in Europe, nor does it seem to support your claim that the Zionist/Israeli boogeyman is behind it all.

Congratulations! You've missed the point of the thread. Try reading the posts carefully in future.

31-03-2012 10:44PM

Brown Bomber wrote: »

So you won't make ignorant comments like you have throughout.

Congratulations! You've missed the point of the thread. Try reading the posts carefully in future.

And you seem to have missed the point I'm making and you're unable and unwilling to address.

The nonsense you are claiming on this thread and else where is just as bad as the crap spouted by Wilders et al.
You're trying to replace one overhyped, nebulous and shadowy threat with a different overhyped, nebulous and shadowy threat using the same misinformation and blatant manipulation.

As I said, hilariously hypocritical.

Channel Zero · 01-04-2012 02:43AM

The fear factory.

studiorat · 01-04-2012 11:04AM

What particularly fascinates me with the posts here and similar stories is how the Anti-Defamation League and the Southern Poverty Law centre are used as reliable sources one minute and part of the "zionist plot" the next. Even the Centre for American Progress, (with it's "close links to the White House") who published the study, is funded by CT darling and "puppet master" George Soros.

Wilders has support from both the Right and Left through policies of opposing the "Islamization of Europe" and his Euro-Sceptic stance.
http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/europpblog/2012/03/26/eurosceptic-populis/

Brown Bomber · 01-04-2012 01:59PM

King Mob wrote: »

The nonsense you are claiming on this thread and else where is just as bad as the crap spouted by Wilders et al.
You're trying to replace one overhyped, nebulous and shadowy threat with a different overhyped, nebulous and shadowy threat using the same misinformation and blatant manipulation.

Everything I have said is factual. Try being a skeptic and debunk anything I've said or do me a favour and if you've nothing on-topic other than ad-homs to add don't waste my time anymore.

Brown Bomber · 01-04-2012 02:04PM

studiorat wrote: »

What particularly fascinates me with the posts here and similar stories is how the Anti-Defamation League and the Southern Poverty Law centre are used as reliable sources one minute and part of the "zionist plot" the next. Even the Centre for American Progress, (with it's "close links to the White House") who published the study, is funded by CT darling and "puppet master" George Soros.

Terrific. Now since it fascinates you so much maybe you'd start a thread about it in an appropriate forum.

jackiebaron · 01-04-2012 05:17PM

Jonny7 wrote: »

whats the conspiracy?

Are you for FÜCKING real?

jackiebaron · 01-04-2012 05:28PM

studiorat wrote: »

What particularly fascinates me with the posts here and similar stories is how the Anti-Defamation League and the Southern Poverty Law centre are used as reliable sources one minute and part of the "zionist plot" the next. Even the Centre for American Progress, (with it's "close links to the White House") who published the study, is funded by CT darling and "puppet master" George Soros.

Wilders has support from both the Right and Left through policies of opposing the "Islamization of Europe" and his Euro-Sceptic stance.
http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/europpblog/2012/03/26/eurosceptic-populis/

The economics "genius" has spoken!

studiorat · 01-04-2012 05:52PM

Thing is, “Islamophobia” and anti-Semitism are often two sides to the same coin.
Both are used cries are used to prevent any meaningful discussion.

There are those who tell us of creeping Islam where our where we are going to have Sharia law by the year 20-whatever and of terrorist cells in every mosque. And like-wise we have those who purvey the myths about shadowy Jewish elites controlling governments from behind the scenes. Each myth is as insidious as the other.

Kenan Malik (film maker “Are Muslims Hated?” (Channel 4 January 2005))tells us “The charge of ‘Islamophobia’ is too often used not to highlight racism, but to stifle criticism” , and we should consider who exactly is promoting the concept of Islamophobia and what are their motives. (Malik 2005) It all too easily confuses the hatred and discrimination against Muslims on the one hand with criticism of Islam on the other.

There is a concerted effort to convince the general public that “we are living in a heightened climate of Islamophobia”. However, Islamophobia itself actually legitimizes rasciist thinking. Islam is a religion not a race of people. Yet, proponents of Islamophobia explicitly link religious belief and cultural practices with race. They therefore revive the notion that race and culture are inextricably linked, that non-white people are unable to assimilate into majority white societies. Crudely put, “You can take the savage out of the Jungle, but you can’t take the Jungle out of the savage”. Or as the proponents of Islamophobia believe “You can take the Muslim out of the Pakistani village, but you can’t take the Pakistani village mentality out of the Muslim”. Those who propose adopting some sort of ‘multi-culturalism’ which says opposing Islamic ideas or Islamist politics is some type of racism are in reality engaging in a kind of ‘politically correct’ racism. In this respect. Brown Bombers approach reminds one of some sort of holier than thou Victorian Christian missionary.

studiorat · 01-04-2012 05:54PM

jackiebaron wrote: »

The economics "genius" has spoken!

Still a bit rattled are we Jakey?

01-04-2012 06:02PM

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Everything I have said is factual. Try being a skeptic and debunk anything I've said or do me a favour and if you've nothing on-topic other than ad-homs to add don't waste my time anymore.

And I'm sure that everything Wilders said is "factual" too.

But instead of addressing what he said or claims, you're just making ad hom attacks against him.

I'm just pointing out that you and he share very similar tactics.

Channel Zero · 01-04-2012 06:05PM

studiorat wrote: »

Thing is, “Islamophobia” and anti-Semitism are often two sides to the same coin.

They're both disgusting.

But according to toads like Alan Dershowitz, anyone who points out blatant examples of the former is to be dismissed as the latter.

Ring any bells people??

Brown Bomber · 01-04-2012 06:13PM

studiorat wrote: »

Thing is, “Islamophobia” and anti-Semitism are often two sides to the same coin.
Both are used cries are used to prevent any meaningful discussion.

There are those who tell us of creeping Islam where our where we are going to have Sharia law by the year 20-whatever and of terrorist cells in every mosque. And like-wise we have those who purvey the myths about shadowy Jewish elites controlling governments from behind the scenes. Each myth is as insidious as the other.

Kenan Malik (film maker “Are Muslims Hated?” (Channel 4 January 2005))tells us “The charge of ‘Islamophobia’ is too often used not to highlight racism, but to stifle criticism” , and we should consider who exactly is promoting the concept of Islamophobia and what are their motives. (Malik 2005) It all too easily confuses the hatred and discrimination against Muslims on the one hand with criticism of Islam on the other.

There is a concerted effort to convince the general public that “we are living in a heightened climate of Islamophobia”. However, Islamophobia itself actually legitimizes rasciist thinking. Islam is a religion not a race of people. Yet, proponents of Islamophobia explicitly link religious belief and cultural practices with race. They therefore revive the notion that race and culture are inextricably linked, that non-white people are unable to assimilate into majority white societies. Crudely put, “You can take the savage out of the Jungle, but you can’t take the Jungle out of the savage”. Or as the proponents of Islamophobia believe “You can take the Muslim out of the Pakistani village, but you can’t take the Pakistani village mentality out of the Muslim”. Those who propose adopting some sort of ‘multi-culturalism’ which says opposing Islamic ideas or Islamist politics is some type of racism are in reality engaging in a kind of ‘politically correct’ racism. In this respect. Brown Bombers approach reminds one of some sort of holier than thou Victorian Christian missionary.

Such convulated rubbish. Any chance you can rephrase that into a form that makes sense`?

Brown Bomber · 01-04-2012 06:16PM

Channel Zero wrote: »

They're both disgusting.

But according to toads like Alan Dershowitz, anyone who points out blatant examples of the former is to be dismissed as the latter.

Ring any bells people??

... and notice how he puts Islamophobia in quotes to deligitimise it but not anti-semitism.

Brown Bomber · 01-04-2012 06:19PM

King Mob wrote: »

And I'm sure that everything Wilders said is "factual" too.

But instead of addressing what he said or claims, you're just making ad hom attacks against him.

I'm just pointing out that you and he share very similar tactics.

That's brilliant that is. You have no interest in discussing the topic or examining any evidence given but just shouting ad-homs from your pulpit. If you haven't any interest in topic please post elsewhere on a topic you have an interest in.

01-04-2012 06:24PM

Brown Bomber wrote: »

That's brilliant that is. You have no interest in discussing the topic or examining any evidence given but just shouting ad-homs from your pulpit. If you haven't any interest in topic please post elsewhere on a topic you have an interest in.

But your evidence is based on the exact same sort of bias, misinformation and distortion that Wilders et al get theirs from.

I am interested in the evidence, but I'm also interested in the manipulative tactics you used but are reluctant to address.

studiorat · 01-04-2012 06:31PM

Brown Bomber wrote: »

... and notice how he puts Islamophobia in quotes to deligitimise it but not anti-semitism.

Cop on to yourself there and try and make a intelligent rebuttal, we haven't had one from you yet. Which would you prefer, take the quotes out or put another pair in?

Islam is a Religion, a set of beliefs. Why shouldn't it be criticized? Even by a maggot like Wilders?

Brown Bomber · 01-04-2012 06:44PM

studiorat wrote: »

Cop on to yourself there and try and make a intelligent rebuttal, we haven't had one from you yet. Which would you prefer, take the quotes out or put another pair in?

I can only make intelligent rebuttals to coherent arguments, which is why I asked you to rephrase your original blather.

The fact remains you included the terms Islamophobia and anti-semitism in the the same sentence yet placed only Islamophobia in quotation marks. This begs the question: do you consider the existence of Islamophobia real?

studiorat wrote: »

Islam is a Religion, a set of beliefs. Why shouldn't it be criticized? Even by a maggot like Wilders?

I assume you mean why shouldn't Islam be critiqued? And my answer would be of course it should, I never suggested otherwise.

Brown Bomber · 01-04-2012 06:53PM

King Mob wrote: »

But your evidence is based on the exact same sort of bias, misinformation and distortion that Wilders et al get theirs from.

Don't keep banging on about it then. Show me how. I hope to all that's good you don't mean when you bolded the word Zionist a couple of times when it was used appropriately and also bolded my claim that Anders Breivik was inpired to commit mass-murder by the anti-Islamic literature of some of those that I have already mentioned when it is a demonstratable fact.

It is beyond ridiculous if that is your position.

King Mob wrote: »

I am interested in the evidence, but I'm also interested in the manipulative tactics you used but are reluctant to address.

Bollox you are. I linked to a study which you refused to read. What are you afraid of?

01-04-2012 07:01PM

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Don't keep banging on about it then. Show me how. I hope to all that's good you don't mean when you bolded the word Zionist a couple of times when it was used appropriately and also bolded my claim that Anders Breivik was inpired to commit mass-murder by the anti-Islamic literature of some of those that I have already mentioned when it is a demonstratable fact.

It is beyond ridiculous if that is your position.

I bolded the world to point out that was the bogeyman you are trying to sell us. It's no different to the words Islamist or Jihadist being thrown around.

And yes Anders Breivik is an example of one of the dishonest points you used.
Even if I accept he was inspired entirely and exclusively by the "Zionist funded propaganda" you are refering to and we ignore the fact that he was mentally ill, it would still be a total non sequiter. And you know it, since you realise that you would not accept me posting examples of bigoted crimes against Jews and Israelis as evidence that your claims are harmful.

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Bollox you are. I linked to a study which you refused to read. What are you afraid of?

I browsed it. It does not support what you claimed and is barely connected to the topic.
And of course this is ignoring what studiorat pointed out about it.

studiorat · 01-04-2012 07:19PM

Brown Bomber wrote: »

The fact remains you included the terms Islamophobia and anti-semitism in the the same sentence yet placed only Islamophobia in quotation marks. This begs the question: do you consider the existence of Islamophobia real?

It was unintentional actually. However, in the dis-ingenious frame that you choose to use the word, it probably does deserve the quotes.

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Such convulated rubbish....

So while we're on the subject of punctuation and grammar what does convulated (sic) mean?

wexie · 01-04-2012 07:34PM

Brown Bomber wrote: »

He doesn't consider Islam to be a religion and wants to ban the Koran.

This is absolutely untrue and if you'd looked into it at any great depth you would know Wilders has (very publicly) stated he considers Islam a 'religion of hate' and wants to have the Koran banned on the grounds it incites hatred.

Brown Bomber wrote: »

He was also investigated by Dutch intelligence services for being an Israeli spy.

Not true again, only one 'newspaper' in the Netherlands reported on this and this newspaper is the equivalent of the Sun in the Netherlands. Every respectable newspaper has quite thoroughly debunked this story. Even the Dutch intelligence services laughed at the suggestion (although I doubt you'd take that as evidence). Think about it, an Israeli spy in the Netherlands? Really? The link (if that's what you want to call it) was created due to his (very open) visits to the Israeli embassy. Conveniently left out was the fact that he used to be spokesperson for foreign affairs during which time he made some relationships with some Israelis. No doubt they have some very similar views. Nothing to see here, move along.

Brown Bomber wrote: »

The same Newt Gingrich who would only support a hypothethical American Muslim Presidential candidate if he publically denounced Shariah Law.

This might well be true, if it turns out to be so personally I'd applaud it. Sharia law has no place in Western society whatsoever and I'd dare say that anybody in any western society with even half a brain who has even basic knowledge of what Sharia law entails couldn't possibly argue against this.

Infamous Islamophobe Geert Wilders funded by US Right-Wing

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