Al Sharpton: Civil disobedience will escalate if Zimmerman remains free!

James Cessna · 31-03-2012 12:43AM #1

Yes, there is a lot of hate coming from the black community, This hatred and rage is directed toward white people and people who do not accept their radical political beliefs.

The black community refuses to deal with facts. They are convinced their "manufactured" version of the Trayvon Martin incident is correct and the eyewitnesses and the police are wrong.

As a result of this incident, the NAACP and the "Congressional Black Caucus" have clearly exposed themselves for the hateful and angry organizations they actually are!

Al Sharpton: Civil disobedience will escalate if Zimmerman remains free!

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-03-30/news/os-george-zimmerman-trayvon-al-sharpton-20120330_1_civil-disobedience-national-action-network-national-association

Victor · 31-03-2012 01:20AM

Is this the same police organisation that wanted to arrest him, only to be stopped by the prosecutors office?

EDIT:

James Cessna wrote: »

Yes, there is a lot of hate coming from the black community, This hatred and rage is directed toward white people and people who do not accept their radical political beliefs.

Is hate the right word? Perhaps "anger" would be more appropriate?

Note that its bullets and oppressive laws that are coming from rich people towards poor people.

Is stalking someone while carrying a gun and then killing them a "radical political belief" or state-endorsed oppression?

southsiderosie · 31-03-2012 01:45AM

James Cessna wrote: »

Yes, there is a lot of hate coming from the black community, This hatred and rage is directed toward white people and people who do not accept their radical political beliefs.

The black community refuses to deal with facts. They are convinced their "manufactured" version of the Trayvon Martin incident is correct and the eyewitnesses and the police are wrong.

As a result of this incident, the NAACP and the "Congressional Black Caucus" have clearly exposed themselves for the hateful and angry organizations they actually are!

Last I checked, Al Sharpton was not the President of Black America.

In addition, there are plenty of non-black people who are outraged by the Martin situation.

What are you so worked up about?

James Cessna · 31-03-2012 02:18AM

southsiderosie wrote: »

Last I checked, Al Sharpton was not the President of Black America.

In addition, there are plenty of non-black people who are outraged by the Martin situation.

What are you so worked up about?

What am I so worked up about?

Race riots with a lot of good white and black people killed on both sides, this is what am I so worked up about!

If you would listen to the words of Al Sharpton, the New black Panthers and the Congressional Black Caucus, you would be as concerned as I am.

False Outrage over Trayvon Martin Killing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZ4A3a1f8ck

southsiderosie · 31-03-2012 02:22AM

James Cessna wrote: »

What am I so worked up about?

Race riots with a lot of good white and black people killed on both sides, this t is what am I so worked up about!

If you would listen to the words of Al Sharpton, the New black Panthers and the Congressional Black Caucus, you would be as concerned as I am.
False Outrage over Trayvon Martin Killing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZ4A3a1f8ck

Please explain how people being upset about a man getting out of his car after being instructed by a 9-1-1 operator not to do so, and shooting an unarmed teenager is in any way 'false outrage'?

James Cessna · 31-03-2012 02:25AM

southsiderosie wrote: »

Please explain how people being upset about a man getting out of his car after being instructed by a 9-1-1 operator not to do so, and shooting an unarmed teenager is in any way 'false outrage'?

Thank you for asking.

Here are the facts.

The weapon was fired by George Zimmerman in self defense.

Trayvon Martin clearly initiated the confrontation. We have an irrefutable eyewitness account!

The black kid became angry, lost his temper and reacted irrationally.

And now for his stupidity he is no longer with us.

Trayvon Martin was punching Neighborhood Watchman when he was shot.flv - YouTube.flv

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=zEDBqvEauYU

southsiderosie · 31-03-2012 02:30AM

James Cessna wrote: »

Thank you for asking.

Here are the facts.

The weapon was fired by George Zimmerman in self defense.

Trayvon Martin clearly initiated the confrontation. We have an irrefutable eyewitness account!

The black kid became angry, lost his temper and reacted irrationally.

And now for his stupidity he is no longer with us.

Trayvon Martin was punching Neighborhood Watchman when he was shot.flv - YouTube.flv

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=zEDBqvEauYU

Why did Zimmerman need to shoot this boy in self defense if he was in his car? Oh, because he disregarded what the 9-1-1 dispatcher told him and left the car.

At this point, there is no irrefutable evidence, but the emergency call tapes make it very clear that Zimmerman was instructed to stay in the car and let the police deal with things. If he had heeded those instruction, there would be no dead teenager right now. You cannot claim self-defense when you get out of your car with a gun to go after someone, especially after you have been told by emergency authorities to let the real police handle things.

James Cessna · 31-03-2012 02:55AM

southsiderosie wrote: »

Why did Zimmerman need to shoot this boy in self defense if he was in his car? Oh, because he disregarded what the 9-1-1 dispatcher told him and left the car.

At this point, there is no irrefutable evidence, but the emergency call tapes make it very clear that Zimmerman was instructed to stay in the car and let the police deal with things. If he had heeded those instruction, there would be no dead teenager right now. You cannot claim self-defense when you get out of your car with a gun to go after someone, especially after you have been told by emergency authorities to let the real police handle things.

Zimmerman was on his way back to his SUV when he was attacked from behind by Trayvon Martin. Trayvon instigated the confortation.

Zimmerman shot Trayvon Martin in self defense.

According to Tampa Bay Fox affiliate WTVT-TV, what the witness says he saw could bolster Zimmerman’s claim that he shot Martin in self-defense:

“The guy on the bottom who had a red sweater on was yelling to me: ‘help, help…and I told him to stop and I was calling 911,” he said.

Trayvon Martin was in a hoodie; Zimmerman was in red.

The witness only wanted to be identified as “John,” and didn’t not want to be shown on camera.

His statements to police were instrumental, because police backed up Zimmerman’s claims, saying those screams on the 911 call are those of Zimmerman.

“When I got upstairs and looked down, the guy who was on top beating up the other guy, was the one laying in the grass, and I believe he was dead at that point,” John said.

On Friday night, Zimmerman attorney Craig Sonner appeared on CNN’s “Anderson Cooper 360” and said he client sustained a broken nose and a head laceration on the night of the incident.

“His nose was broken, he sustained injury to his nose and on the back of his head he sustained a cut that was serious enough that probably should have had stitches…it was an injury that was done by Trayvon Martin,” Sonner said.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/report-witness-claims-trayvon-martin-attacked-george-zimmerman/

southsiderosie · 31-03-2012 02:59AM

James Cessna wrote: »

Zimmerman was on his way back to his SUV when he was attacked by Trayvon Martin. Trayvon instigated the confortation.

And what evidence do we have of this? All we know for certain is what was on the 9-1-1 tapes and that an unarmed teenage boy is dead. We won't know anything for sure unless there is a trial, but given the fact that charges have not even been filed yet, anything else is speculation at this point. But the few facts we do have are disturbing enough.

James Cessna · 31-03-2012 03:06AM

southsiderosie wrote: »

And what evidence do we have of this? All we know for certain is what was on the 9-1-1 tapes and that an unarmed teenage boy is dead. We won't know anything for sure unless there is a trial, but given the fact that charges have not even been filed yet, anything else is speculation at this point. But the few facts we do have are disturbing enough.

We need to wait until all the facts are in.

There is too much speciluation and much of it is driven by politics.

It would be a very foolish thing to do if we rushed to judgment at this time.

Here is another eyewitness report that shoud be considered by everyone who has an open mind.

Trayvon Martin was punching Neighborhood Watchman when he was shot.flv - YouTube.flv

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=zEDBqvEauYU

Manic Moran · 31-03-2012 06:17AM

You cannot claim self-defense when you get out of your car with a gun to go after someone, especially after you have been told by emergency authorities to let the real police handle things.

Well, you can, actually, as long as you have done nothing unlawful by getting out of your car and dispatchers don't exactly have force of law enforcement officer instruction.

If he had heeded those instruction, there would be no dead teenager right now.

This is true. But then, there was probably a whole chain of lawful events, any one of which, had they not happened, may have resulted in no dead teenager right now.

I agree, it's not 'false outrage', but a lot of it currently seems to be misdirected.

NTM

RichieC · 31-03-2012 12:06PM

James Cessna wrote: »

We need to wait until all the facts are in.

There is too much speciluation and much of it is driven by politics.

It would be a very foolish thing to do if we rushed to judgment at this time.

Here is another eyewitness report that shoud be considered by everyone who has an open mind.

Trayvon Martin was punching Neighborhood Watchman when he was shot.flv - YouTube.flv

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=zEDBqvEauYU

Ironing. You have clearly made up your mind. It's funny, every forum I'm on we got a spate of new sign ups when the Martin case was raised, all of them hysterical right wingers singing the same tune.

James Cessna · 31-03-2012 02:07PM

RichieC wrote: »

Ironing. You have clearly made up your mind. It's funny, every forum I'm on we got a spate of new sign ups when the Martin case was raised, all of them hysterical right wingers singing the same tune.

What makes you think I am an "hysterical right winger"?

I am a moderate. I am liberal on most social issues and conservative on most fiscal issues. The moderates like me will determine who becomes our next president.

Why do I say this? Twenty percent of the voters identify themselves as liberal, Twenty percent of the voters identify themselves as conservative.

The other 60% of voters identify themselves as "moderate". We are neither hard Left nor hard Right. Our only political agenda is to do what is right for America. We want to perserve our freedoms and allow people the opportunity to become wealthy if they want to!

RichieC · 31-03-2012 02:21PM

James Cessna wrote: »

What makes you think I am an "hysterical right winger"?

Because I'm a semi decent internet detective.. I don't think moderates run around the internet making hundreds of accounts in different forums copy pasting the same stuff in each and getting banned from many for multiple accounts. I truly don't think so, I'm a member of a few boards with many moderate americans, you just don't the mo in posting style or content.

You sound more like a rabidly anti Obama zealot, just my opinion.

Cossax · 31-03-2012 03:47PM

RichieC wrote: »

Because I'm a semi decent internet detective.. I don't think moderates run around the internet making hundreds of accounts in different forums copy pasting the same stuff in each and getting banned from many for multiple accounts. I truly don't think so, I'm a member of a few boards with many moderate americans, you just don't the mo in posting style or content.

You sound more like a rabidly anti Obama zealot, just my opinion.

A quick google and I see that smiley is particularly well played, sir!

James Cessna · 31-03-2012 03:52PM

Victor wrote: »

Is this the same police organisation that wanted to arrest him, only to be stopped by the prosecutors office?

EDIT:Is hate the right word? Perhaps "anger" would be more appropriate?

Note that its bullets and no oppressive laws that are coming from rich people towards poor people.

Is stalking someone while carrying a gun and then killing them a "radical political belief" or state-endorsed oppression?

There are no bullets and oppressive laws that are coming from rich people towards poor people.

This is the "you are a victim" mantra we often hear from the radical Left.

The Left is clearly “milking” this incident for all it is worth!

They clearly want George Zimmerman to be the aggressor in this incident. They are also very disappointed he turned out to be Hispanic and not white!

The Left is hoping against all hope they can rally the blacks and Hispanics in America to cast a "sympathy" vote against the "white" Republicans.

Unfortunately for them, Obama is toast. There is no way he will be elected to a second tern with his frequent "blame America first" world tours and his miserable economic record.

Manic Moran · 01-04-2012 04:49PM

Local NAACP chapter just gave Sharpton a rebuke for being not very helpful.

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/Civil-rights-leaders-condemn-Sharpton-s-call-for-escalated-civil-disobedience/-/1637132/9863196/-/owq31pz/-/index.html

NTM

steelcityblues · 01-04-2012 06:01PM

Manic Moran wrote: »

Local NAACP chapter just gave Sharpton a rebuke for being not very helpful.

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/Civil-rights-leaders-condemn-Sharpton-s-call-for-escalated-civil-disobedience/-/1637132/9863196/-/owq31pz/-/index.html

NTM

A much needed rebuke to Sharpton's opportunism.

timesnap · 01-04-2012 07:21PM

This video is a short extract from an interview by Piers Morgan given to Toure who is very vocal on black issues and author of 'Who's afraid of post blackness'.
he had accused Morgan of giving a soft interview to Zimmerman's brother on the previous nights show,he also accused Morgan of not understanding the pain in the soul of the American people.
The normally polite Morgan was fuming and rounded on him and refuted all the allegations.

The link below runs to 15 minutes of the interview and puts the above more into perspective for those who have the time to watch.
gives a good sense of how explosive this issue is in the States.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6Z0vBfu-Po

Overheal · 02-04-2012 03:04PM

James Cessna wrote: »

We need to wait until all the facts are in.

There is too much speciluation and much of it is driven by politics.

It would be a very foolish thing to do if we rushed to judgment at this time.

The above statement completely conflicts with everything else you have said on this subject to date, all of which is highly judgmental in itself:

Yes, there is a lot of hate coming from the black community, This hatred and rage is directed toward white people and people who do not accept their radical political beliefs.

The black community refuses to deal with facts. They are convinced their "manufactured" version of the Trayvon Martin incident is correct and the eyewitnesses and the police are wrong.

As a result of this incident, the NAACP and the "Congressional Black Caucus" have clearly exposed themselves for the hateful and angry organizations they actually are!

Here are the facts.

The weapon was fired by George Zimmerman in self defense.

Trayvon Martin clearly initiated the confrontation. We have an irrefutable eyewitness account! /B]We could spend days talking about eyewitness accounts, either way - OH[B

The black kid became angry, lost his temper and reacted irrationally.

And now for his stupidity he is no longer with us.

Zimmerman was on his way back to his SUV when he was attacked from behind by Trayvon Martin. Trayvon instigated the confortation.

Zimmerman shot Trayvon Martin in self defense.

There are no bullets and oppressive laws that are coming from rich people towards poor people.

This is the "you are a victim" mantra we often hear from the radical Left.

The Left is clearly “milking” this incident for all it is worth!

They clearly want George Zimmerman to be the aggressor in this incident. They are also very disappointed he turned out to be Hispanic and not white!

The Left is hoping against all hope they can rally the blacks and Hispanics in America to cast a "sympathy" vote against the "white" Republicans.

Unfortunately for them, Obama is toast. There is no way he will be elected to a second tern with his frequent "blame America first" world tours and his miserable economic record.

Either way the case is far from settled and there isn't much point poring over audio loops and leaked pieces of evidence and eyewitness accounts until the actual investigation is completed. Recall the incident of Troy Davis?

So let's get away from the night in question. I'd like to take you back to something else you said earlier in the thread which I just found to be absolutely irrational:

Race riots with a lot of good white and black people killed on both sides, this is what am I so worked up about!

Can I ask, what makes you think these "race riots" are likely to happen? Just from a lot of people being upset that Zimmerman is not locked up? Explain this to me, I'm really curious.

Al Sharpton: Civil disobedience will escalate if Zimmerman remains free!

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