Are lap dancing clubs about exploiting men and their credit cards ?

Dudess · 29-03-2012 09:01PM

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

Why women in particular?

I'll hazard a guess: OP is hoping for angry outraged women (whom he imagines are plentiful) to post enraged responses.

Big Nasty · 29-03-2012 09:08PM

Dudess wrote: »

I'll hazard a guess: OP is hoping for angry outraged women (whom he imagines are plentiful) to post enraged responses.

I miss your battles with Outlaw Pete!

markus pride · 29-03-2012 09:09PM

Dudess wrote: »

I'll hazard a guess: OP is hoping for angry outraged women (whom he imagines are plentiful) to post enraged responses.

But that's just it, women don't have to be outraged Rad-fems to believe in absurd feminist notions as they're accepted in the mainstream, even by many men manginas.

Dudess · 29-03-2012 09:14PM

Such as?

Dudess · 29-03-2012 09:18PM

markus pride wrote: »

Women want the liberty to choose to do as they please, but without having to take any responsibility for their own bad choices.

Examples?

Feminism has induced a complex in women that they are always the victim in any problematic situation

This notion, held by some, existed long before feminism. Thought feminism encouraged women not to be victims and the extreme end discouraged chivalry?

markus pride · 29-03-2012 09:22PM

Dudess wrote: »

Such as?

Fake statistics for things such as the gap in wages between the genders, rape, domestic violence etc. Also other lies such as how women are generally exploited in the sex industry/strip clubs etc.

markus pride · 29-03-2012 09:32PM

Dudess wrote: »

Examples?

The sex industry comes to mind; women choose to get into it then blame men when it damages them psychologically. It's all too persistent in the court systems as well where women are always favored and receive a much lighter sentence than man do for identical crimes.

Dudess wrote: »

This notion, held by some, existed long before feminism.

I know it did. It's a part of natural human instinct to hold women in high regard and to see them as always being innocent. But it has persisted even in modern times where it's now irrelevant.

Mr. CooL ICE · 29-03-2012 09:45PM

Last year, I was in Poland for a lads weekend. We got pretty drunk the first night and after looking at the city map we got in the hostel, decided to go to a strip club.

While sitting at our table, a stripper asked if I wanted a lap dance for 100 zlote (bout €24). A combination of me being hammered and being egged on by my mates decided 'sure, why not'. She took the money and told me to wait a few minutes, so I promptly forgot about it. Anyway, another stripper asked me if I wanted a lap dance and thinking it was the same one, I said OK! Anyway, she took me to the bar and asked me to pay. I initially refused cos I had already paid, but she insisted on me paying. I thought "Goddman polish strippers, ripping me off", but it was my first (and possibly only) time in a strip club and I was determined to get a lap dance, so I paid the money.

Anyway, the stripper led me to the back where the private dance rooms were where the first stripper was waiting. The two looked at each other, looked at me and started talking in polish. They asked if I had paid them both, talked more polish and then asked me "If you want, we can both give you a dance at the same time. We will be kissing and stuff". I rubbed my hands with glee and said "ok!", and got my double lap dance.

Long story short: Polish strip club exploited me and gave me 2 strippers for the price of 2.

Brain Stroking · 29-03-2012 09:49PM

LordChessington wrote: »

Last year, I was in Poland for a lads weekend. We got pretty drunk the first night and after looking at the city map we got in the hostel, decided to go to a strip club.

While sitting at our table, a stripper asked if I wanted a lap dance for 100 zlote (bout €24). A combination of me being hammered and being egged on by my mates decided 'sure, why not'. She took the money and told me to wait a few minutes, so I promptly forgot about it. Anyway, another stripper asked me if I wanted a lap dance and thinking it was the same one, I said OK! Anyway, she took me to the bar and asked me to pay. I initially refused cos I had already paid, but she insisted on me paying. I thought "Goddman polish strippers, ripping me off", but it was my first (and possibly only) time in a strip club and I was determined to get a lap dance, so I paid the money.

Anyway, the stripper led me to the back where the private dance rooms were where the first stripper was waiting. The two looked at each other, looked at me and started talking in polish. They asked if I had paid them both, talked more polish and then asked me "If you want, we can both give you a dance at the same time. We will be kissing and stuff". I rubbed my hands with glee and said "ok!", and got my double lap dance.

Long story short: Polish strip club exploited me and gave me 2 strippers for the price of 2.

Sounds horrible. You ok?

Warper · 29-03-2012 10:07PM

Lap dancing clubs are for married men throwing their money about

strobe · 29-03-2012 10:36PM

Dudess wrote: »

Probably because the mods are sick sh1t of that crap being trotted out over and over and over and over - and in fairness, they've been lenient (often too lenient IMO) about it up to now. What was said wasn't politically incorrect, it was just retarded. And based on nothing but something the person "feels".

To be fair it's not exactly common to ban people because they said something retarded in AH about an ideology based just on how they feel... seems pretty odd.

(But this is feedback territory stuff I guess.)

Dudess · 29-03-2012 10:48PM

markus pride wrote: »

Fake statistics for things such as the gap in wages between the genders, rape, domestic violence etc. Also other lies such as how women are generally exploited in the sex industry/strip clubs etc.

markus pride wrote: »

The sex industry comes to mind; women choose to get into it then blame men when it damages them psychologically. It's all too persistent in the court systems as well where women are always favored and receive a much lighter sentence than man do for identical crimes.

I know it did. It's a part of natural human instinct to hold women in high regard and to see them as always being innocent. But it has persisted even in modern times where it's now irrelevant.

So therefore it can't have been created by feminism, which again, tends to advise women not to accept being treated in an old-fashioned way, the weaker sex etc - well the more extreme end of it.
Court bias - yes, it's true, but not created by feminism - by a number of men actually. You make some fair points but not always black and white as you present them. For instance, a woman without much savvy might choose to work in the sex industry and then get treated dreadfully, not what she had expected.
What you're talking about - I really can't see how feminism has caused it. And what women do you mean? Obviously you know that women are individuals and it's not really fair to shove them into a big homogenous group.

Micky Dolenz · 29-03-2012 10:55PM

strobe wrote: »

To be fair it's not exactly common to ban people because they said something retarded in AH about an ideology based just on how they feel... seems pretty odd.

(But this is feedback territory stuff I guess.)

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Noreen1 · 29-03-2012 11:34PM

thecommietommy wrote: »

I was watching some American chat show and they were discussing lap dancing clubs etc. The usual man haters were condemninng them and said they were about exploiting women etc. To which one of the babes replied " Lap dancing clubs aren't about exploiting women, their about expoliting men and their credit cards " !!!!! To which she got a laugh and a round of applause from the audience

So, women in particuliar, would you agree with her statement ??

No. No-one forces any man to go to these clubs. It's his own choice how he spends his money.

Grayson · 29-03-2012 11:48PM

Dudess wrote: »

So therefore it can't have been created by feminism, which again, tends to advise women not to accept being treated in an old-fashioned way, the weaker sex etc - well the more extreme end of it.
Court bias - yes, it's true, but not created by feminism - by a number of men actually. You make some fair points but not always black and white as you present them. For instance, a woman without much savvy might choose to work in the sex industry and then get treated dreadfully, not what she had expected.
What you're talking about - I really can't see how feminism has caused it. And what women do you mean? Obviously you know that women are individuals and it's not really fair to shove them into a big homogenous group.

I read some statistics recently about court bias. It works both ways. Apparently there are certain crimes that women are more likely to be found innocent for and some they are more likely to be found guilty for. Don't ask me which, I honestly can't remember.

I have a strip club story. First time in a strip club... I was on holidays with some friends. And we couldn't find a bar. We passed a strip club and since none of us had been to one we said "one beer. They'll probably charge a fortune, but we can have one and then go looking for a bar. Hell, they might be able to tell us where to go."

We go in, and the place is empty because it's 9pm. We have a seat and a load of strippers come over. One of them says "Will you buy me a drink?". My friend says sure. A bottle of champagne arrived. I thought "Oh ****". So we kinda agree we're leaving as soon as the beers are over and no more champagne.

We get the bill. I was thinking it would be 100 euro for the champagne. Oh no... It was five hundred euro.

And here's the thing. We didn't even get a dance.

They saw us coming a mile off

Feeona · 29-03-2012 11:53PM

If men were in their rightful place ie at work earning money, we wouldn't have this exploitation!

The masculinist movement wanted half naked ladies and got them-so don't start complaining about exploitation :pac:

blatantrereg · 29-03-2012 11:57PM

It's a transaction. Open to exploitation on either side, like most transactions are.

Not my cup of tea - but I did rent out Catwoman once, so I'm not in a position to judge.

stovelid · 30-03-2012 12:01AM

Mr.Biscuits wrote: »

Just take a look at the SCUM manifesto for evidence of that and so it is quite understandably (even if incorrect) for people to think of today's feminists in the same vain as the feminists that proceeded them.

That was a crazed manifesto written by a single women that went on to shoot somebody and was jailed.

What's the point here?

FoxT · 30-03-2012 12:31AM

There seem to be a lot of assumptions in this thread about women choosing to work as strippers etc., as if it was a career move, like, say, plumbing, or accountancy.

I find it hard to believe that many people would choose freely to work as a stripper/lapdancer/etc...I expect that if they had other options, they would take them .

blatantrereg · 30-03-2012 12:36AM

FoxT wrote: »

There seem to be a lot of assumptions in this thread about women choosing to work as strippers etc., as if it was a career move, like, say, plumbing, or accountancy.

I find it hard to believe that many people would choose freely to work as a stripper/lapdancer/etc...I expect that if they had other options, they would take them .

They have the option of not working as strippers. They just probably won't have as much money.

Some people are exhibitionists. Nobody gets all upset at the supposed victimhood of male strippers do they? So consider who is being sexist here.

hondasam · 30-03-2012 12:59AM

thecommietommy wrote: »

I was watching some American chat show and they were discussing lap dancing clubs etc. The usual man haters were condemninng them and said they were about exploiting women etc. To which one of the babes replied " Lap dancing clubs aren't about exploiting women, their about expoliting men and their credit cards " !!!!! To which she got a laugh and a round of applause from the audience

So, women in particuliar, would you agree with her statement ??

No not really. No one is being exploited if they are all there by free choice. If men are happy to pay and women are happy to get paid then it's free choice.

hatrickpatrick · 30-03-2012 02:17AM

*sigh*

Unless there's coercion involved on some end, it is "exploiting" NO ONE.

I genuinely don't understand why the term "exploitation" has expanded to cover consensual acts. Obviously someone is being exploited if they're underaged or mentally incapacitated to make decisions, or in a situation such as Foxconn in China which is structured so as to make it extremely difficult to leave the plant and where there are very few union protections.

But you can't apply the word "exploitation" to just anything you personally don't approve of, something you personally wouldn't want to do, and which you're so closed minded and naive that it makes you feel better to assume people are being "exploited" than to accept the possibility that not everyone holds the same values as you do.

I'd say the vast majority of the people who call "exploitation" on things like this are the latter.

Bit like how people called 'exploitation' on Pete Bennett (Tourette's sufferer on Big Brother a few years ago) when he had a great time in the house and loved the publicity, and said as much.

thecommietommy · 30-03-2012 12:23PM

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

But men would have an opinion on that too. It isn't gender specific to have an opinion on it.

Where did I say men couldn't have an opinion on the OP ?

thecommietommy · 30-03-2012 12:25PM

token101 wrote: »

Lap dancing clubs are totally sh*t. The worst type of anti climax. You wouldn't turn up to a bakery, have the baker shove some really nice cakes in your face and then hear him say, 'Don't actually eat that whatever you do'.

Well you can go to watch a football match and not play, but still enjoy the game

Sykk · 30-03-2012 12:29PM

LordChessington wrote: »

Last year, I was in Poland for a lads weekend. We got pretty drunk the first night and after looking at the city map we got in the hostel, decided to go to a strip club.

While sitting at our table, a stripper asked if I wanted a lap dance for 100 zlote (bout €24). A combination of me being hammered and being egged on by my mates decided 'sure, why not'. She took the money and told me to wait a few minutes, so I promptly forgot about it. Anyway, another stripper asked me if I wanted a lap dance and thinking it was the same one, I said OK! Anyway, she took me to the bar and asked me to pay. I initially refused cos I had already paid, but she insisted on me paying. I thought "Goddman polish strippers, ripping me off", but it was my first (and possibly only) time in a strip club and I was determined to get a lap dance, so I paid the money.

Anyway, the stripper led me to the back where the private dance rooms were where the first stripper was waiting. The two looked at each other, looked at me and started talking in polish. They asked if I had paid them both, talked more polish and then asked me "If you want, we can both give you a dance at the same time. We will be kissing and stuff". I rubbed my hands with glee and said "ok!", and got my double lap dance.

Long story short: Polish strip club exploited me and gave me 2 strippers for the price of 2.

Have a semi in work now.. Cheers

thecommietommy · 30-03-2012 12:30PM

slavetothegrind wrote: »

there was a fella a few years back brought a case against a dublin club for relieving him of 20 grand from his visa card one night.

He lost when the club showed the cctv footage of him ossified and authorising each transaction at the correct timestamp.

fools and their money alright....

still.....BOOBIES! :P

boo to fake boobies :mad:

I remember that, he was a yuppy who brought some of the guys who worked in his web development company out on the town with his company visa card. He lost the case, judge told him that was his fault to get so stupidified and for the the transaction

Logical Fallacy · 30-03-2012 12:30PM

FoxT wrote: »

There seem to be a lot of assumptions in this thread about women choosing to work as strippers etc., as if it was a career move, like, say, plumbing, or accountancy.

I find it hard to believe that many people would choose freely to work as a stripper/lapdancer/etc...I expect that if they had other options, they would take them .

I've been a doorman at a Strip club , I would say the vast majority of the girls i spoke to in my time there were doing it because the money was very good. A popular girl in a club will make a lot of money in one night, probably a lot more than she could make in most other jobs.

That said, working there was the most depressing period of my life, you basically learn to hate people when you do that job. It's ironic that for a while i was the one trapped there with no other options for work at the time as i badly needed the cash, most of the girls could leave whenever they wanted to.

thecommietommy · 30-03-2012 12:33PM

Logical Fallacy wrote: »

I've been a doorman at a Strip club , I would say the vast majority of the girls i spoke to in my time there were doing it because the money was very good. A popular girl in a club will make a lot of money in one night, probably a lot more than she could make in most other jobs.

That said, working there was the most depressing period of my life, you basically learn to hate people when you do that job. It's ironic that for a while i was the one trapped there with no other options for work at the time as i badly needed the cash, most of the girls could leave whenever they wanted to.

Not trying to put you down, but were you paid any more for the night's work than a bouncer on a nightclub ?

( BTW, if you think that's depressing, try doing secutity on the drug centre on Pearse St where the druggies come for their daily methodone fix and needle exchange

)

thecommietommy · 30-03-2012 12:35PM

FoxT wrote: »

There seem to be a lot of assumptions in this thread about women choosing to work as strippers etc., as if it was a career move, like, say, plumbing, or accountancy.

I find it hard to believe that many people would choose freely to work as a stripper/lapdancer/etc...I expect that if they had other options, they would take them .

Interesting viewpoint, are you a guy or a gal ?

AngryBollix · 30-03-2012 12:39PM

Men will pay to see arse fanny and tits.

Thats the whole point isnt it?

Surely everyone is happy.

Women get paid and blokes get an eyeful

Are lap dancing clubs about exploiting men and their credit cards ?

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