Epic e34 build ---> from Oil burner to M70 V12

homer90 · 27-03-2012 07:25AM #1

Thought I would throw this up. Something different for a change !!
Few BMW haters on here, which is fair enough, but............. Just for the amount of work and attention to detail, its worthy of a post IMO.

Robbed from Bimmerforums, also stuck it up on BMW-driver for ****s & Giggles.......

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Annuv · 27-03-2012 08:35AM

Amazing, oh to have the knowledge, skills, patience, money, balls to be able to do that

Anan1 · 27-03-2012 09:03AM

I love the mechanical end of it, but I think the direction he took with the exterior is a bit of a pity. I'd have kept it looking like a 524td, steelies and all.

challengemaster · 27-03-2012 09:32AM

Looks like you didn't read it yourself :v

It's a M73 from a 554i :P

Matt Simis · 27-03-2012 10:45AM

challengemaster wrote: »

Looks like you didn't read it yourself :v

It's a M73 from a 554i :P

554i??
Its a M73 from a 750i, which is impressive, but still less BHP than the S38 M5 (or S50B32 M3) that should go with that badge.

Anan1 wrote: »

I love the mechanical end of it, but I think the direction he took with the exterior is a bit of a pity. I'd have kept it looking like a 524td, steelies and all.

It looked woeful!

challengemaster · 27-03-2012 10:48AM

Matt Simis wrote: »

554i??
Its a M73 from a 750i, which is impressive, but still less BHP than the S38 M5 (or S50B32 M3) that should go with that badge.

I was being sarcastic cos I actually read the thing, everyone saying to put 554i badges on it

CianRyan · 27-03-2012 01:13PM

I can appreciate what's been done here but if you're going to do it at all, I don't see why he didn't go further and get the engine to match the badges.
Just as bad as lads driving 318i's with M3 badges, yeah it has more power but it's still not an M5.

Big Nasty · 27-03-2012 01:28PM

Looks like he's not afraid to use the car anyhow!

Matt Simis · 27-03-2012 01:56PM

challengemaster wrote: »

I was being sarcastic cos I actually read the thing, everyone saying to put 554i badges on it

Ah right. I agreed with the suggestions to put 550i on it, not only technically more correct, but more eye catching than the played out M5 badge.

Bonus video from a similar one but with a proper (6speed) gearbox (stolen from BMW-Driver.net):

delly · 27-03-2012 02:02PM

The work involved is simply mind blowing, absolutely amazing.

Peoples view on the badge is a bit OTT I think. With the amount of work he's put into it, let him stick whatever he likes on the back.

Matt Simis · 27-03-2012 02:06PM

delly wrote: »

Peoples view on the badge is a bit OTT I think. With the amount of work he's put into it, let him stick whatever he likes on the back.

No one is stopping him, they just dont like it, which is their opinion; its tacky and detracts from all his work..

27-03-2012 03:02PM

Weird how someone so capable would attempt to drive a diesel through water that deep though.

Vertakill · 27-03-2012 03:27PM

He also crashed it as well...

Good/knowledgeable with cars does not equal good driver - which a lot of people in general need to learn..

Stunning car though - he could put any badge on he likes for the amount of work he's done. A lot of jealously on that thread debating it.

challengemaster · 27-03-2012 03:34PM

Matt Simis wrote: »

No one is stopping him, they just dont like it, which is their opinion; its tacky and detracts from all his work..

Not in the slightest, if it was a 320d and he just stuck the badges on and nothing else, that's understandable, but there's a giant lump of a v12 in there and he had a valid reason for not using the M5 engine. The car is, for all intents and purposes, an M5 until you actually look at the engine code, and that's all that's in it.

Vertakill · 27-03-2012 03:38PM

challengemaster wrote: »

Not in the slightest, if it was a 320d and he just stuck the badges on and nothing else, that's understandable, but there's a giant lump of a v12 in there and he had a valid reason for not using the M5 engine. The car is, for all intents and purposes, an M5 until you actually look at the engine code, and that's all that's in it.

I'd kinda go along with you here but the problem BMW fanatics will have will be that an M5 isn't just an engine, or the parts (which he used neither of, other than the cosmetic bits it seems?) etc... it was how it came out of the factory.

The problem with this particular guy and the M5 badge is... well, there's very little M5 in it.
It may have similar performance etc but it's not an M5, or even really that close to it.

It would be like having a E60 540i and tarting it up with gills and exhausts and badging it as an M5.
Or like having a E90 335i remapped and saying it's an M3... while they may have similar performances, they're not M cars.

M cars are special!

Matt Simis · 27-03-2012 04:21PM

challengemaster wrote: »

Not in the slightest, if it was a 320d and he just stuck the badges on and nothing else, that's understandable, but there's a giant lump of a v12 in there and he had a valid reason for not using the M5 engine. The car is, for all intents and purposes, an M5 until you actually look at the engine code, and that's all that's in it.

Well no, it isnt, at all. Its not even an engine 'code' difference, its an entirely different type engine and at that, its not even the 'S" (BMW M engine) version of that engine! Its the boulevard cruiser M7x series engine.
An M5 is a product with specific attributes, its not just sticking a faster engine in any random BMW.

My 850CSi has BMW specific M Springs, Msport kit, was assembled by BMW M by hand, has a BMW M engine but its not called an "M8".

Vertakill wrote: »

I'd kinda go along with you here but the problem BMW fanatics will have will be that an M5 isn't just an engine, or the parts (which he used neither of, other than the cosmetic bits it seems?) etc... it was how it came out of the factory.

Pff, nothing fanatical about it. You have an M3, would you think if someone got a 320d and put something random in it, like a 540i engine, would it be then an M3, just like yours?

Vertakill · 27-03-2012 04:36PM

Matt Simis wrote: »

its not even the 'S" (BMW M engine) version of that engine! Its the boulevard cruiser M7x series engine.

This is one thing I meant to mention in my last post.
It's not like it was another tuned engine thrown in instead of the M5's... it's a 7 series engine which was never created with the same intentions as an M5.

Matt Simis wrote: »

Pff, nothing fanatical about it. You have an M3, would you think if someone got a 320d and put something random in it, like a 540i engine, would it be then an M3, just like yours?

Well, it wouldn't annoy me THAT much. It might annoy me if it was very similar performance-wise to an M3 and it was pulling the wool over peoples eyes but it's fairly obvious when it's a 320d!

People will always do stupid crap like that but they'll only fool a complete tool so I don't mind what they do - it's funny when you pull up along side them and they try to busy themselves with something so they don't have to look at you. :P

unkel · 27-03-2012 04:43PM

I would have left the exterior exactly the way it was and just go for the internals, the V12 (nice) and an autobox from an E38

Rat look sleeper FTW, could even suprise a real M5 at the traffic lights

ShadowHearth · 27-03-2012 04:59PM

Whatever anyone says it's still a class machine and any self respecting petrolhead won't say no to it. Even an BMW anty-fanboy.

Eric Cartman · 27-03-2012 05:14PM

definitley not an M5, doesnt need to be badged M5 but is a stunning machine anyway. Id badge it 554i or not at all

Vertakill · 27-03-2012 05:15PM

ShadowHearth wrote: »

Whatever anyone says it's still a class machine and any self respecting petrolhead won't say no to it. Even an BMW anty-fanboy.

Oh of course - I don't think anyone disagrees with that one bit. I absolutely love it and I don't have a problem really with the badge as much as others.

My post(s) were just to explain why a portion of the audience will think the M5 badge on it is silly.

unkel wrote: »

I would have left the exterior exactly the way it was and just go for the internals, the V12 (nice) and an autobox from an E38

Rat look sleeper FTW, could even suprise a real M5 at the traffic lights

Rofl, it looks bloody horrendous to begin with! But I know, that's exactly how you would want it !

ShadowHearth · 27-03-2012 05:17PM

Vertakill wrote: »

Oh of course - I don't think anyone disagrees with that one bit. I absolutely love it and I don't have a problem really with the badge as much as others.

My post(s) were just to explain why a portion of the audience will think the M5 badge on it is silly.

Rofl, it looks bloody horrendous to begin with! But I know, that's exactly how you would want it !

It is silly, but it would not put me off to grab keys and drive it like I stole it... Well...

unkel · 27-03-2012 07:14PM

Vertakill wrote: »

Rofl, it looks bloody horrendous to begin with! But I know, that's exactly how you would want it !

The only mod I'd consider is a 518td badge

Voodoomelon · 27-03-2012 07:46PM

Stunning, I love those threads!

Bizarre combination though, if he wanted to go down the M5 route, he should have stuck a 4.9L S62 in there. The V12 is very special though and no doubt he got it for nearly nothing, S62s always have a value.

Love the way the dual air intakes fit perfectly, gotta admire dedication like that. My favourite picture is the M73 sitting there like new. Fair play to him.

Vertakill · 27-03-2012 08:31PM

Voodoomelon wrote: »

Stunning, I love those threads!

Bizarre combination though, if he wanted to go down the M5 route, he should have stuck a 4.9L S62 in there. The V12 is very special though and no doubt he got it for nearly nothing, S62s always have a value.

Love the way the dual air intakes fit perfectly, gotta admire dedication like that. My favourite picture is the M73 sitting there like new. Fair play to him.

Me too! Love the picture projects.

Threads like this are what make you think twice about when you say to yourself "ah sure I'll do it tomorrow" having seen this guys dedication!

CianRyan · 28-03-2012 12:11AM

ShadowHearth wrote: »

Whatever anyone says it's still a class machine and any self respecting petrolhead won't say no to it. Even an BMW anty-fanboy.

Now don't get me wrong, I'd happily take the car and I've voiced my opinions on German cars plenty of times around here BUT, if I had that car, I'd sell the M5 body parts, keep it looking standard but with a nice spec and spend the money I make on performance mods. I'm sure there's more to come out of that engine than 295BHP.

Voodoomelon · 28-03-2012 01:28AM

The m73s are INCREDIBLY difficult to tune, primarily due to software issues, they're very hard to crack. Alpina got 430bhp out of the M73 with the B12, but they had full access to BMWs software, not to mention completely different fuel injection, pistons, camshaft, intakes etc etc.

You'd be better off just finding a B12.

CianRyan · 28-03-2012 01:57AM

Well that's that then, he bought the wrong engine! :pac:

28-03-2012 07:48AM

It's only a '89. I'd give him €200 for it. What a fool, couldn't keep petrol in it. What could have possibly made him to replace a daysul with this lump? If I had a M5 I'd get it fitted with a 1.9 TDi and removed all of the spoilers and wide wheels to make it more economical to run.

;-)

randy hickey · 28-03-2012 10:40AM

samih wrote: »

It's only a '89. I'd give him €200 for it. What a fool, couldn't keep petrol in it. What could have possibly made him to replace a daysul with this lump? If I had a M5 I'd get it fitted with a 1.9 TDi and removed all of the spoilers and wide wheels to make it more economical to run.

;-)

Post of the month!!:D

Matt Simis · 28-03-2012 11:46AM

CianRyan wrote: »

Now don't get me wrong, I'd happily take the car and I've voiced my opinions on German cars plenty of times around here BUT, if I had that car, I'd sell the M5 body parts, keep it looking standard but with a nice spec and spend the money I make on performance mods. I'm sure there's more to come out of that engine than 295BHP.

If he had used the older M70 (5.0 V12) engine it could be tuned to 340bhp. The M73 is not as tunable but is more efficient.. which is hardly the point of the build.

Epic e34 build ---> from Oil burner to M70 V12

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