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Ryanair - Galway Airport

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 668 ✭✭✭ch252


    The width is a problem, as far as I'm aware. It's a Captain only approach and landing for Aer Arann (or is that still in place?).

    I know it was the case for a night time landing anyway, not sure if that is still the case.

    I think the case for the runway to be extended has really been exhausted at this stage, can't see it happening and I was talking to a lad in operations there who said he can't see it happening in his lifetime anyway, and I don't think it will happen in mine either and I'm not old!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 214 ✭✭bensweeney


    What are they doing to get Ryanair in there now?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72,798 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    bensweeney wrote: »
    What are they doing to get Ryanair in there now?

    Nothing. The airport is dead.

    Even if it wasn't, the runway is too small and always will be.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 214 ✭✭bensweeney


    MYOB wrote: »
    Nothing. The airport is dead.

    Even if it wasn't, the runway is too small and always will be.


    But it is still opened


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72,798 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    bensweeney wrote: »
    But it is still opened

    There are no commercial flights, there are unlikely to ever be commercial flights ever again.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 214 ✭✭bensweeney


    MYOB wrote: »
    There are no commercial flights, there are unlikely to ever be commercial flights ever again.


    Thats why Galway chamber of commerce need to be negotiating with Ryanair, Airlingus or even Wizz Air to get them in.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72,798 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    bensweeney wrote: »
    Thats why Galway chamber of commerce need to be negotiating with Ryanair, Airlingus or even Wizz Air to get them in.

    None of those airlines are going to come in as:

    1: There is no demand
    2: The airport is physically too small
    3: Again, there is no demand.

    Its dead. Face it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 214 ✭✭bensweeney


    MYOB wrote: »
    None of those airlines are going to come in as:

    1: There is no demand
    2: The airport is physically too small
    3: Again, there is no demand.

    Its dead. Face it.

    But there was once well over 300,000 passengers a year using Galway airport. Its in a major population centre, sure look at Knokc! in the middle of no where and big airlines like Ryanair, Air Lingus and Lufthansa are using it. Why not Galway?

    I have been in the two airports Knock is not much bigger then Galway.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72,798 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    bensweeney wrote: »
    But there was once well over 300,000 passengers a year using Galway airport. Its in a major population centre, sure look at Knokc! in the middle of no where and big airlines like Ryanair, Air Lingus and Lufthansa are using it. Why not Galway?

    I have been in the two airports Knock is not much bigger then Galway.

    When there was 300,000 passengers a year there was no motorway to Dublin, no motorway half the way to Shannon and subsidised flights. And many of the routes were losing money.

    Knock has a runway that can handle proper sized jets. Galway does not and never will have. All it can handle are turboprops and low loads in small regional jets which limits range and attractiveness. Knock also has ILS, Galway does not and cannot afford it.

    Your concept of size is presumably based on the terminal, which is the least important factor.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 54 ✭✭Eire celticbhoy


    bensweeney I can see where your coming from but it would be impossible to cater for such airlines as Galway Airport doesnt have a runway long enough to handle larger aircraft. I do hope some small regional airline comes to Galway even for the summer for the Volvo ocean race as Galway will be a popular location for tourist as that will be a big attraction.But saying that I dont see anything happening for the foreseeable future unfortunately .


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,044 ✭✭✭Storm 10


    Well I cannot understand how they did not try and hold talks with Aer Lingus Regional to operate to maybe London and Manchester, after all its Aer Arann aircraft they are using it would be a great attraction to get Aer Lingus back to Galway again when the operated alongside Ryanair.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72,798 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Storm 10 wrote: »
    Well I cannot understand how they did not try and hold talks with Aer Lingus Regional to operate to maybe London and Manchester, after all its Aer Arann aircraft they are using it would be a great attraction to get Aer Lingus back to Galway again when the operated alongside Ryanair.

    Because they already operated routes to London and Manchester and the passenger numbers were falling through the floor. Aer Arann have more viable routes to use those craft on.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 214 ✭✭bensweeney


    bensweeney I can see where your coming from but it would be impossible to cater for such airlines as Galway Airport doesnt have a runway long enough to handle larger aircraft. I do hope some small regional airline comes to Galway even for the summer for the Volvo ocean race as Galway will be a popular location for tourist as that will be a big attraction.But saying that I dont see anything happening for the foreseeable future unfortunately .


    Easy build a longer runway. Plenty of room either side from what I can see.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 214 ✭✭bensweeney


    I dont like saying it, but there seems to be lots of people with agendas to the reason why Galway airport cannot be great. Maybe these have links with knock or shannon I do not know. sad to see though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 241 ✭✭Suits


    bensweeney wrote: »
    I dont like saying it, but there seems to be lots of people with agendas to the reason why Galway airport cannot be great. Maybe these have links with knock or shannon I do not know. sad to see though.

    You dont seem to really understand aviation at all.....

    Galway's runway is far too short for any jet to operate full. In order to make it long enough for jets it would need to be MUCH longer and that requires planning permission and local consultation and no doubt there would be locals unhappy with jets coming in and out all day.

    Knock and Shannon are close enough that it wouldnt be worth it for any airline.
    You would need to upgrade handling facilities, fire and rescue etc etc before you got a jet airline in.

    Nobody is going to piss money away extending galway's runway when airlines will just fly to Knock and Shannon anyhow.

    Might I add it seems to be you who has the agenda....but you have no real practical plan or picture for Galway to present...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 214 ✭✭bensweeney


    Suits wrote: »
    You dont seem to really understand aviation at all.....

    Galway's runway is far too short for any jet to operate full. In order to make it long enough for jets it would need to be MUCH longer and that requires planning permission and local consultation and no doubt there would be locals unhappy with jets coming in and out all day.

    Knock and Shannon are close enough that it wouldnt be worth it for any airline.
    You would need to upgrade handling facilities, fire and rescue etc etc before you got a jet airline in.

    Nobody is going to piss money away extending galway's runway when airlines will just fly to Knock and Shannon anyhow.

    Might I add it seems to be you who has the agenda....but you have no real practical plan or picture for Galway to present...

    How dare you I have no agenda, only the betterment of Connacht. Father James Horan was told the same things about Knock but it was built.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 241 ✭✭Suits


    bensweeney wrote: »
    How dare you I have no agenda, only the betterment of Connacht. Father James Horan was told the same things about Knock but it was built.

    Yes because they needed an airport.....nobody needs an airport in Galway......it would be a waste of money and nobody would fly in there...

    Anyhow you wouldnt fit Knock's runway into Galway airfield...it's too long. With stopway/clearway, turntables etc you would need to extend the airport across the roads at each end and into the fields....so unless they want to build a runway/ redirect a few roads no jets are coming into Galway.....ball park figure for wet runway in low vis is 1800m of runway needed I think to safely get in taking margins into account(could be corrected). For Galway to get that length you'd need to move the road and evict people from their houses.....so couple that with the fact there is no need for a jet airport there...and your idea sinks faster than an '800 on a gusty day


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 318 ✭✭lotusm


    To be honest when the dual carriageway is done from Gort to Tuam, Galway will have 2 airports about an hour away flying to many european destinations with connections e.g London Paris Dusseldorf to anywhere from there onwards.. that can only be good news


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 214 ✭✭bensweeney


    I am sorry everybody. I did not mean to be rude.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 318 ✭✭lotusm


    no worries ben:D if we can get that dual carriage way all the way to Collooney, Sligo i be a happy man


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,044 ✭✭✭Storm 10


    Suits wrote: »
    Yes because they needed an airport.....nobody needs an airport in Galway......it would be a waste of money and nobody would fly in there...

    Anyhow you wouldnt fit Knock's runway into Galway airfield...it's too long. With stopway/clearway, turntables etc you would need to extend the airport across the roads at each end and into the fields....so unless they want to build a runway/ redirect a few roads no jets are coming into Galway.....ball park figure for wet runway in low vis is 1800m of runway needed I think to safely get in taking margins into account(could be corrected). For Galway to get that length you'd need to move the road and evict people from their houses.....so couple that with the fact there is no need for a jet airport there...and your idea sinks faster than an '800 on a gusty day

    Galway Airport operated RJ70 Jets to Malaga and Lorient with no problems the Malaga flights were always full, Virgin operated the same jet aircraft as charters during the Galway races , the Aer Arann flights to London Manchester and Edinburgh operated at high capacity so the need is there but the charges were the killer, no one can say there is no need for an Airport in Galway, of course there is a need when you look at the Aer Arann network since it opened. Galway will be back :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72,798 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    bensweeney wrote: »
    Easy build a longer runway. Plenty of room either side from what I can see.

    There are roads in the way at both ends. The runway cannot be extended to the length required for a 737-800 or A320.

    bensweeney wrote: »
    How dare you I have no agenda, only the betterment of Connacht. Father James Horan was told the same things about Knock but it was built.

    If you are going to go accusing people of having agendas, you shouldn't really be that hilariously thin skinned when someone points out yours.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 241 ✭✭Suits


    Storm 10 wrote: »
    Galway Airport operated RJ70 Jets to Malaga and Lorient with no problems the Malaga flights were always full, Virgin operated the same jet aircraft as charters during the Galway races , the Aer Arann flights to London Manchester and Edinburgh operated at high capacity so the need is there but the charges were the killer, no one can say there is no need for an Airport in Galway, of course there is a need when you look at the Aer Arann network since it opened. Galway will be back :D

    ATRs are one thing but a 737/a320 etc is different. If Galway wanted the big money airlines in they would have to build a new airport that wasnt where the current one is.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,787 ✭✭✭xflyer


    As others have pointed out Galway is too short and too narrow for jets and there is no room for expansion. This is no accident, the Galway Chamber had no interest in letting Ryanair in. The idea was to protect Aer Arann, ironic though that may be now.

    However it is not over for Galway airport, it's just that it will just have to cater for a market other than scheduled flying.

    But it's not closed. I looked in recently, the terminal is shut down and there is only a skeleton staff. But aircraft were coming and going, light aircraft mostly of course. Air Corps, survey aircraft, skydiving and the flying club, not to mention the helicopters. Plenty going on. It's for sale and I'm sure there's interest.

    Watch this space as they say. It'll soon have a new lease of life.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 241 ✭✭Suits


    xflyer wrote: »
    As others have pointed out Galway is too short and too narrow for jets and there is no room for expansion. This is no accident, the Galway Chamber had no interest in letting Ryanair in. The idea was to protect Aer Arann, ironic though that may be now.

    However it is not over for Galway airport, it's just that it will just have to cater for a market other than scheduled flying.

    But it's not closed. I looked in recently, the terminal is shut down and there is only a skeleton staff. But aircraft were coming and going, light aircraft mostly of course. Air Corps, survey aircraft, skydiving and the flying club, not to mention the helicopters. Plenty going on. It's for sale and I'm sure there's interest.

    Watch this space as they say. It'll soon have a new lease of life.

    NFC used to qualify their students XCountry through Shannon/Galway but as far as I know they have changed this now to Knock/Abbyshrule...costs seemed to be the issue...I'd imagine they would have sent a fair bit of traffic that way....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,349 ✭✭✭dowlingm


    A road can be diverted or even tunnelled under a runway. You just have to want to do it and by you I mean the airport owners, the surrounding landowners and the local community. As for Ryanair, they had a long barney with LDY about how long their runway was so don't think that GWY could be extended to what Boeing lists minimum spec as since it may assume the use of short field equipment RYR didn't bother buying for its 738s.

    There's a prestige thing going on - it used to be that Shannon was "the West's airport" but after Horan it seems that every GAA jersey must have an airport to call its own and that SNN "wasn't Wesht-enough"


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 214 ✭✭bensweeney


    I was talking to a man this morning who said the runway was long enough. I would trust this man with my life.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72,798 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    bensweeney wrote: »
    I was talking to a man this morning who said the runway was long enough. I would trust this man with my life.

    Which will end very, very soon if he tries to land you in a 737-800 on it.

    The runway is neither long enough or wide enough for a narrowbody jet. It can just about handle a small or low-load regional jet.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 214 ✭✭bensweeney


    MYOB wrote: »
    Which will end very, very soon if he tries to land you in a 737-800 on it.

    The runway is neither long enough or wide enough for a narrowbody jet. It can just about handle a small or low-load regional jet.


    He said Planes could land on Galway airport because it is same size as london city airport.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 917 ✭✭✭Joe 90


    bensweeney wrote: »
    He said Planes could land on Galway airport because it is same size as london city airport.
    I'm sure the same planes could, no bother. Only certain aircraft types allowed at London City.


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