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Steve Collins leaves Ireland

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 321 ✭✭Socialist_Pig


    If something is bad, its bad.
    forget about the minefield of the government supplying drugs how about legalising the growth of marijauna...2 or 3 plants per person.no more. and allow the private person to smoke grass or cultivate it to make their own hash in their own home.

    The government aint making money(apart from the profit on the esb needed and the jump in sales of munchies) and the crimal gangs cant make money(unless they can sell seeds of good quality which cost pennies,so it aint gonna happen).

    give the gardai power of arrest to anyone carring enough to supply others,and the power to take personal stash of people stupid enough to smoke it in a public place.

    end result???people that smoke irrespective of the legality dont get criminal records,the gardai aint wasting time busting people for enough for a few joints,wasting their time and the criminal gangs cant make money off it....


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,073 ✭✭✭Pottler


    Far more horrible people than me might suggest another thread title "Publican with tragic family history joins Irelands exodus due to economic downturn in search of a better life..." They might have a point though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,369 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    the government would clean up if drugs were legalized and production was in the hands of professionals, the quality would be unbelievable for a start, to compare it to alcohol why would you buy a bottle of rancid piss mixed up in barrel in some dodgy scumbags shed when you can buy a bottle of JD or smirnoff

    Because the going rate for rancid piss is less than JD or smirnoff, as is the going rate for fake JD or Smirnoff.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,202 ✭✭✭Jeboa Safari


    It's not very feasible to have a Garda excort for the rest of their days though is it. Who would even want a Gard with them 24/7 forever?

    Its great in theory that they should be protected 100% but in reality its not like that. It's not a case of just locking up a few people. It could end up being someoen thats a small child now that decides to kill them in 20 years. You cant protect against that.

    I'm sure the family have decided its an easier life for themselves to move.

    The chances of a small child killing out of the blue are very slim. If we had a proper justice system repeat offenders would be locked up, previous convictions taken into account, not given a couple of months (if even) here and there and then free to terrorise and add to their number of convictions. I still can't understand how people are able to run up 50+ convictions and still be out free, causing more trouble


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 956 ✭✭✭RiseToTheTop


    Is the Steve Collins mentioned the boxer? They mentioned the scumbags being refused entry into one of Steve Collins' pubs.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,219 ✭✭✭woodoo


    That is very sad. I hope they are happy were they go and their family can visit. They will probably feel an enormous sense of relief once they settle.

    Society is a bit messed up when the scum can stay in Limerick but good people like Collins can't.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,562 ✭✭✭✭Sunnyisland


    Domo 230 wrote: »
    What did this Steve Collins guy do and why is he so well known beyond having his son killed?


    His son was shot dead because a barman/relation of his refused to sell dunduns underage sister a drink back in 04, Dundon got 7 years for threatening barman in which steve collins son gave evidence ?,They(dundon gang)then killed steve collins son,shooting him dead in an amusement arcade beside the family pub?.Steve collins has been a out spoken critic of the gangs in limerick and else where even though they where under threat of there lives.Some of this could be corrected but I think thats most of it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,030 ✭✭✭Slippin Jimmy


    It's a ****ing disgrace that these innocent people had to leave their country because of people like these **** heads. It's disgusting. Pathetic wastes of space. They should be shot on sight if they leave their house.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,730 ✭✭✭Bullseye1


    We should put all of these people and their families on an island and replicate "Battle Royal".

    Dreadful that this family has had to leave its home and country.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,725 ✭✭✭charlemont


    Seriously? These are just misunderstood people who just want to make a living selling drugs, and the fact that a family is going through huge upheaval is the result of the government's drug policy? Not because the criminals in question have no respect for laws or life? I'm sure that if drugs were more legally accruals, they would be honest, law abiding people who wouldn't harm a fly...

    I don't think anybody said the above is true...But if that's how you want to interpret it then fine.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,626 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    Everyone says he should be shot.. so will somebody just have done with it already?!

    Literally nobodies would care

    I'm not advocating murder btw.. you can easily make it look like a tragic accident.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,030 ✭✭✭Slippin Jimmy


    Everyone says he should be shot.. so will somebody just have done with it already?!

    Literally nobodies would care

    I'm not advocating murder btw.. you can easily make it look like a tragic accident.

    I can't see the guards putting much effort into solving the case if it was to happen. It'd be a great service to the decent people of this country.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,015 ✭✭✭Paddy Samurai


    It's not very feasible to have a Garda excort for the rest of their days though is it. Who would even want a Gard with them 24/7 forever?
    I am well aware of that Guy ,but its still a sad reflection of our society . Where people stand up to the scumbags ,they have to move abroad and leave everything.The message it send's to others is keep your head down and don't stand up to these murderers.Unless you are prepared to give up your home,job,family and friends.It just strengthens the criminals position and lessens the chances of people giving evidence against them in the future.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 963 ✭✭✭NinjaK


    Those animals should be arrested without trial.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,669 ✭✭✭Riddle101


    F*ck sake, his son was shot dead because he refused someone from the gang entry to the pub. These guys have chips on their shoulders, it's a shame that our justice system is a sham because if this happened in the US for instance, they wouldn't be throwing their weight around, they'd be more cautious but that's another topic really.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,110 ✭✭✭Skrynesaver


    Seriously? These are just misunderstood people who just want to make a living selling drugs, and the fact that a family is going through huge upheaval is the result of the government's drug policy? Not because the criminals in question have no respect for laws or life? I'm sure that if drugs were more legally accruals, they would be honest, law abiding people who wouldn't harm a fly...


    I believe the point being made is that by criminalising drugs we have handed a profitable monopoly to criminals. Legalisation would remove their primary revenue stream. I doubt that the gangster class would instantly become upright business people providing legitimate retail services to their community, however they might find it more difficult to purchase their Glocks without the funding that control of the drug supply affords them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,038 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    Fcuk civil liberties they gave up their rights when they made the decision to murder people,get the Rangers to take them all out in one go:mad:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,395 ✭✭✭Paparazzo


    irish-stew wrote: »
    Doesn't all of this contradict the aims of witness protection.

    A thread on an internet forum, and the top story on the hourly news on the radio.

    :confused:

    Maybe that's the idea. In reality he's just moving to somewhere on the Fanad peninsula.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,114 ✭✭✭Pdfile


    charlemont wrote: »
    If drugs were legal or controlled by the state then these clowns wouldn't be capable of gaining the wealth that allows them to fight feuds.


    I'm surprised W.D hasn't been charged with murder yet considering the note that was found, But the getaway driver will soon be done for two murders anyway.



    its not that expensive when their all related ( imbred if anything )


    their petty scumbags, you meet them anywhere, the more glory you pour onto them the tougher they look.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,050 ✭✭✭token101


    This isn't about drugs, legalising them isn't the real issue here. If they legalised drugs the vermin would turn to racketeering or prostitution or something else. Scum are scum. The fact that people can be forced from the country by these types is insanity. It's terrorism, albeit on a smaller scale. This stuff just goes on and on and on and nothing changes. Moving these people around is just like spreading the cancer. We need internment.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,876 ✭✭✭Spread


    They're no longer in a witness protection program. They'll keep their identities wherever they move to afaik.

    Cannot see that happening ........ regardless of what statements the Gardai release. However, I wish them the best. Limerick owes the Collins family. If there were more people like him there, these mutants would not have been able to take root. AFAIK, a newspaper did a story back a few years ago stating that ........... some of these were the offspring of Black & Tans. Anyone remember that story?

    Got it ........... here 'tis:

    Black and Tans still terrorising Limerick!
    I READ the Mail on Sunday last week. It wasn't by choice, but it was fascinating in the same way that celebrity reality television can be for some people I suppose. The reason was a number of very amused texts from republicans telling me the paper was claiming that the thugs running the Limerick drugs gangs were descended from the Black and Tans.
    Larissa Nolan, who seems to have moved from frothy gossip for the Sunday Independent to being a crime correspondent (Good grief) writes that, "Senior gardaí sent to solve the serious crime problem in the city believe that some of the most infamous crime gangs in Limerick are direct descendents of the Black and Tans."
    Showing the mark of a journalist trained in the intellectual crucible of the Sindo Larissa manages to base the article on quotes from an unnamed Garda source and an unnamed Limerick historian. Names Nolan, you need names.
    Anyway, it's not clear what the point of the whole piece is. According to Ms Nolan the gardaí were tipped off because, "The main crime gangs bear distinctly British names like Collopy, Campion, Dundon, Stanners and Crawford, a fact which aroused the interest of gardaí looking at the case."
    Did it? Did it really? One of the biggest criminal investigations in the history of the state. Massive political and media pressure on the gardaí to break up the gangs and you can just imagine them sitting round the staff room wondering whether they can prove the gangs have, and she did use this phrase, ‘bad blood’ because, ‘..it helps to understand the problem’.
    Maybe Nolan thinks we should just automatically lock up people descended from the Tans. Actually, come to think of it....


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,876 ✭✭✭Spread


    charlemont wrote: »
    I don't think anybody said the above is true...But if that's how you want to interpret it then fine.

    This was said tongue in cheek.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,899 ✭✭✭Downlinz


    Bullseye1 wrote: »
    We should put all of these people and their families on an island and replicate "Battle Royal".

    Wouldn't that mean one survives?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,362 ✭✭✭Itsdacraic


    Spread wrote: »
    Cannot see that happening ........ regardless of what statements the Gardai release. However, I wish them the best. Limerick owes the Collins family. If there were more people like him there, these mutants would not have been able to take root. AFAIK, a newspaper did a story back a few years ago stating that ........... some of these were the offspring of Black & Tans. Anyone remember that story?

    Got it ........... here 'tis:

    Black and Tans still terrorising Limerick!
    I READ the Mail on Sunday last week. It wasn't by choice, but it was fascinating in the same way that celebrity reality television can be for some people I suppose. The reason was a number of very amused texts from republicans telling me the paper was claiming that the thugs running the Limerick drugs gangs were descended from the Black and Tans.
    Larissa Nolan, who seems to have moved from frothy gossip for the Sunday Independent to being a crime correspondent (Good grief) writes that, "Senior gardaí sent to solve the serious crime problem in the city believe that some of the most infamous crime gangs in Limerick are direct descendents of the Black and Tans."
    Showing the mark of a journalist trained in the intellectual crucible of the Sindo Larissa manages to base the article on quotes from an unnamed Garda source and an unnamed Limerick historian. Names Nolan, you need names.
    Anyway, it's not clear what the point of the whole piece is. According to Ms Nolan the gardaí were tipped off because, "The main crime gangs bear distinctly British names like Collopy, Campion, Dundon, Stanners and Crawford, a fact which aroused the interest of gardaí looking at the case."
    Did it? Did it really? One of the biggest criminal investigations in the history of the state. Massive political and media pressure on the gardaí to break up the gangs and you can just imagine them sitting round the staff room wondering whether they can prove the gangs have, and she did use this phrase, ‘bad blood’ because, ‘..it helps to understand the problem’.
    Maybe Nolan thinks we should just automatically lock up people descended from the Tans. Actually, come to think of it....

    Did you read that the weekend just gone?

    A google reveals similar articles from as far back as 2005!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,876 ✭✭✭Spread


    Itsdacraic wrote: »
    Did you read that the weekend just gone?

    A google reveals similar articles from as far back as 2005!

    Hmmmmmm! Interesting. If true, how come they didn't get sorted whilst guests in Portlaoise?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,834 ✭✭✭Welease


    Riddle101 wrote: »
    F*ck sake, his son was shot dead because he refused someone from the gang entry to the pub. These guys have chips on their shoulders, it's a shame that our justice system is a sham because if this happened in the US for instance, they wouldn't be throwing their weight around, they'd be more cautious but that's another topic really.

    Its worth nothing, that they refused entry to Wayne Dundons 14 year old sister.. and for that he was executed... Damned if you do (and lose your licence).. dead if you don't..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 219 ✭✭Randy Anders


    It would genuinely make my day to hear that these scumbags were all killed in an ''accidental fire''


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,933 ✭✭✭Logical Fallacy


    Seriously? These are just misunderstood people who just want to make a living selling drugs, and the fact that a family is going through huge upheaval is the result of the government's drug policy? Not because the criminals in question have no respect for laws or life? I'm sure that if drugs were more legally accruals, they would be honest, law abiding people who wouldn't harm a fly...

    From my own experience it is a mistake to separate the drugs issue and the criminal gang/family issue in Limerick, the two of them are very much interlinked.

    While I don't believe that the legalisation of drugs would instantly change the way things are down there I do believe that these criminal families need to be attacked by the law, constantly and efficently, in an effort to reduce the profitability of what they do.

    It will require a huge combination of issues from sterner and actually enforced sentences, removal of revenue streams, efforts within the community themselves to undermine these scum. It's a complex issue, i don't think people in this thread should throw the baby out with the bathwater. The efforts of AGS and the government to reduce the power these gangs hold has failed, and something new needs to be done. I think most of us can agree on that.

    I've been face to face with these ****ing pricks, I've had friends gunned down outside their house in the middle of the night as these scumbags exercised their criminal minds. I've stood face to face with chaps who just got out of jail and were out on the town celebrating their new found freedom and can pretty much guarantee you that the term "no respect for human life" doesn't quite cover the attitudes of these people.

    The simple truth is what gives them cause for their chosen action is the rewards they can get from it and the fact that sentences are a ****ing joke. Who the hell is going to stand there and give evidence against a group of people who have proven time and again that if you rock their boat they will come after you and your family.

    The current method of operation by the powers that be is a joke and has left decent people all over this country to stand alone against the scum that terrorise them. It's ****ing sickening.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,298 ✭✭✭Duggys Housemate


    Legalising drugs may, or may not work. Its a counter factual, and off topic. The real issue here is that the State is less powerful than the drug lords, which is where Mexico has been for the last decade or so. In effect Collins left because the State could not protect him. It couldn't protect him with an armed guard, nor could it witness locate him. Which is a win for the drug lords - effectively they have silenced their critics, and any witness now has the option of getting shot, or getting out.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,515 ✭✭✭LH Pathe


    the Steve Collins I know is more famous for being sporting, what a contrast.

    Good grass, I guess.


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