Limiting Cars.

robbie_998 · 26-03-2012 11:23AM #1

What would ye think of putting limiters on all cars ?

just in theory.

the speed limit on a motorway is 120KM/H and apart from race tracks etc. that would be the fasted your legally allowed to go.

so why not limit cars regardless of engine size to about 140KM/h ( to allow for inaccuracy)

bad idea ?

Atomic Pineapple · 26-03-2012 11:30AM

For what reason do you want to limit cars?

26-03-2012 11:31AM

draffodx wrote: »

For what reason do you want to limit cars?

He's thinking of the children

godtabh · 26-03-2012 11:31AM

robbie_998 wrote: »

What would ye think of putting limiters on all cars ?

just in theory.

the speed limit on a motorway is 120KM/H and apart from race tracks etc. that would be the fasted your legally allowed to go.

so why not limit cars regardless of engine size to about 140KM/h ( to allow for inaccuracy)

bad idea ?

Personally I think its a good idea (same as the thread with cameras) but people would rebel against the nanny state

26-03-2012 11:33AM

how about we teach people to drive properly, and especially on motorways

Fiona · 26-03-2012 11:36AM

I personally would not be happy driving a car where the speed is restricted.

I obey speed limits most of the the time, housing estates / towns and cities etc.

(*most of the time means in day light hours when children can be about, I don't expect to see children on the road playing at say 11.45pm in the night time)

I do not obey speed limits when I am on a motorway. That's done at my own risk.

However, if the motorway is busy, I will drive at the appropriate speeds which allow me to read the road ahead and give me time and space react to any situations that could arise. Which means obeying the speed limits.

(And of course speed is dependent on weather conditions, I am not going to bomb it down the road in the lashings of rain / fog / etc)

*putting on flame suit.......

Pdfile · 26-03-2012 11:37AM

bluewolf wrote: »

how about we teach people to drive properly, and especially on motorways

hows about " if you can't fix it dont break it "

everyone must know 1) how the entire car works 2) how to fix/maintain it 3) how to drive the f****** thing.

do that and im sure insurance prices will have to fall 3-40 % for under 25's alone.

:pac:

Mena · 26-03-2012 11:40AM

What's the point? Is it going to stop some nutter doing 140Kph past the school when the kids are all leaving?

Teach people to drive according t0 the prevailing conditions would be a good start.

MuppetCheck · 26-03-2012 11:58AM

I believe there is a serious safety issue limiting a cara performance. If, for example, someone was to misjudge an overtaking manoeuvre and require the need to exceed the cars limit and it wasn't possible it may place lives in danger. This is an extreme situation I know but I'm sure it isn't beyond the realms of possibility that this may happen.

It's a silly idea IMO given the blatant disregard for speed limits in this country for which we are all responsible.

CiniO · 26-03-2012 11:58AM

robbie_998 wrote: »

What would ye think of putting limiters on all cars ?

just in theory.

the speed limit on a motorway is 120KM/H and apart from race tracks etc. that would be the fasted your legally allowed to go.

so why not limit cars regardless of engine size to about 140KM/h ( to allow for inaccuracy)

bad idea ?

It's a very bad idea, but I'm afraid this is going to happen at some stage of our lives. Trucks and buses are already limited.

Anyway - limiting cars in accordance with 120km/h Irish motorway limit is nonsense, as there are other limits in other countries. What about people who drive abroad in their Irish registered car.
Besides it only will cause people not to be speeding on motorways, where actually speeding there is the least harmfull. While people will still be able to speed on other roads, where speeding is way more dangerous.
That's why I think this idea is nonsense.

What I see for the future, is a GPS device which will recognise type of road you are on and will limit you accordingly. Or maybe instead notify adquate authorities that you are speeding. But it not going to happen soon, so we have got another few years of freedom.

I drive on little quite country on daily basis, where speed limit is 80km/h. As I know this road perfectly there are some stretches where if clear you can easily do 160km/h and over. I can't imagine being limited there for any reason, while there is no one else around.

dr.fuzzenstein · 26-03-2012 12:05PM

CiniO wrote: »

It's a very bad idea, but I'm afraid this is going to happen at some stage of our lives. Trucks and buses are already limited.

Anyway - limiting cars in accordance with 120km/h Irish motorway limit is nonsense, as there are other limits in other countries. What about people who drive abroad in their Irish registered car.
Besides it only will cause people not to be speeding on motorways, where actually speeding there is the least harmfull. While people will still be able to speed on other roads, where speeding is way more dangerous.
That's why I think this idea is nonsense.

What I see for the future, is a GPS device which will recognise type of road you are on and will limit you accordingly. Or maybe instead notify adquate authorities that you are speeding. But it not going to happen soon, so we have got another few years of freedom.

I drive on little quite country on daily basis, where speed limit is 80km/h. As I know this road perfectly there are some stretches where if clear you can easily do 160km/h and over. I can't imagine being limited there for any reason, while there is no one else around.

Ssshh! Shut Up! You're giving "them" ideas!:cool:
How about a direct video and data link to a centralised motoring monitoring facility?
There a gard will first ask you a few questions via video link the second you get into your car, just to make sure you still remember the ROTR.
Next, provide breath, blood and urine sample to make sure you are sober and not under the influence of any legal/illegal substance.
He/she will then monitor every aspect of your driving, red lights, solid lines, parking, speeding and apply fines/points for each offence as appropriate.
Once you have reached your point limit, your car will cut out there and then, police will be dispatched to take you away to a "re-educational" facility where you will be re-educated and then shot.
That might not go far enough for some people.

piston · 26-03-2012 12:41PM

I suspect it will happen eventually.

The powers that be, both here and in the UK have developed a "sticking plaster" solution to RTAs by accepting that accidents will always happen and they try to minimise the damage done by slowing everything down.

Proper driver training and proper enforcement of road traffic legislation other than speed limits would be more effective but would cost money so look forward to more speed ramps, traffic islands, speed cameras and eventually limiters.

pippip · 26-03-2012 12:48PM

Like most in this motor forum i'm against this sort of thing but i wonder...

If insurance companies offered big discounts for

-Speed limiters (and when available location tracking limiters)
-In-car breath testers which immobilise the vehicle
-Front facing Video recording

Cost of equipment in car would be covered by insurance company with no discount in first year possibly.

There will always be bad drivers as now but the good drivers would be rewarded by cheaper motoring.

Would you take it?

If you really felt you are a good driver who is fully law abiding why would you have a problem with it if you benefit from it?

dr.fuzzenstein · 26-03-2012 12:50PM

piston wrote: »

I suspect it will happen eventually.

The powers that be, both here and in the UK have developed a "sticking plaster" solution to RTAs by accepting that accidents will always happen and they try to minimise the damage done by slowing everything down.

Proper driver training and proper enforcement of road traffic legislation other than speed limits would be more effective but would cost money so look forward to more speed ramps, traffic islands, speed cameras and eventually limiters.

And don't forget, if GPS limiters are used, they can also be used for a "pay as you drive" tax scheme, so they can punish commuters even more for using main roads during peak times.

Veloce · 26-03-2012 12:51PM

I don't see how limiting cars would make a huge difference. Yes it will stop the person exceeding 120km/h on a motorway but its not going to stop someone doing 100km/h in a 50km zone. The GPS system mentioned above could work but I don't see that happening anytime soon.

Like what was said above, more emphasis on driving training would be more effective. Go for a drive on the N7 / M7 and you will understand why.

Cuddlesworth · 26-03-2012 12:51PM

There are combinations of four actions to get out of a bad situation in a car.

Brake.
Turn Left.
Turn Right.
Accelerate.

By removing the fourth, you are reducing my chances of survival by at least 25%.

Veloce · 26-03-2012 12:52PM

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

There are combinations of four actions to get out of a bad situation in a car.

Brake.
Turn Left.
Turn Right.
Accelerate.

By removing the fourth, you are reducing my chances of survival by at least 25%.

Don't forget reverse :pac:

daenerysstormborn3 · 26-03-2012 12:54PM

It's a pity all this forward thinking "teach people how to drive properly" wasn't around when they started restricting bikes.

keithclancy · 26-03-2012 12:57PM

pippip wrote: »

Like most in this motor forum i'm against this sort of thing but i wonder...

If insurance companies offered big discounts for

-Speed limiters (and when available location tracking limiters)
-In-car breath testers which immobilise the vehicle
-Front facing Video recording

Cost of equipment in car would be covered by insurance company with no discount in first year possibly.

There will always be bad drivers as now but the good drivers would be rewarded by cheaper motoring.

Would you take it?

If you really felt you are a good driver who is fully law abiding why would you have a problem with it if you benefit from it?

No, I honestly believe these driver aids make people stupid.

I don't even use the Sat Nav anymore unless i'm using it to find an address in an unfamiliar city.

JerCotter7 · 26-03-2012 12:58PM

I would just disconnect it anyway. If it was required for NCT just connect it for that then off it goes again afterwards. Wouldn't be too hard to hide a switch somewhere in the car.

djimi · 26-03-2012 01:00PM

My car is limited to 180kmph. Its very easy to get around. Bringing in legislation like this would be of no use whatsoever.

djimi · 26-03-2012 01:02PM

How many fatalities in this country are the result of someone doing 85mph+ on a motorway anyway? Its a very small percentage Id imagine; arent motorways statistically the safest roads in the country?

CiniO · 26-03-2012 01:05PM

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

There are combinations of four actions to get out of a bad situation in a car.

Brake.
Turn Left.
Turn Right.
Accelerate.

By removing the fourth, you are reducing my chances of survival by at least 25%.

What about catapult?

And to be honest, I don't remember many situations in my driving career when I got out of emergency situation by accelerating from 120km/h..

CiniO · 26-03-2012 01:10PM

Veloce wrote: »

Like what was said above, more emphasis on driving training would be more effective. Go for a drive on the N7 / M7 and you will understand why.

I can see significently different approach to keeping road safety between Ireland and f.e. Germany.
In Ireland it's "surely anyone is OK to drive, no training needed, and after few pints you will be fine, but remember to keep it going slowly and you will be grand"... while in Germany it's more like "you make sure you know exactly rules of the road, you are properly trained, you don't do anything stupid on the road, and therefore you can drive fast."

Both approaches seem to work, as road safety records between Germany and Ireland is very similar.
However I prefer to drive in Germany.

djimi · 26-03-2012 01:10PM

CiniO wrote: »

What about catapult?

And to be honest, I don't remember many situations in my driving career when I got out of emergency situation by accelerating from 120km/h..

I can see how it might be of use, but Im guessing that if youre not one of the tiny percentage of Irish drivers who are highly professionally trained or a stunt driver then there is no way on earth you are going to react quickly enough to accelerate out of an incident, regardless of what most might think.

CiniO · 26-03-2012 01:13PM

djimi wrote: »

I can see how it might be of use, but Im guessing that if youre not one of the tiny percentage of Irish drivers who are highly professionally trained or a stunt driver then there is no way on earth you are going to react quickly enough to accelerate out of an incident, regardless of what most might think.

Could you explain please, by example preferebly

djimi · 26-03-2012 01:15PM

CiniO wrote: »

Could you explain please, by example preferebly

Watch the Fast and the Furious movies, because pretty much any example I can think of is probably illustrated somewhere in there

Fiona · 26-03-2012 01:24PM

CiniO wrote: »

And to be honest, I don't remember many situations in my driving career when I got out of emergency situation by accelerating from 120km/h..

Remember that time you robbed the bank :pac::pac::pac:

inforfun · 26-03-2012 01:25PM

No need to have a limiter on the speed of your car.

A limiter on fuel price would be nice though.

omb0wyn5ehpij9 · 26-03-2012 01:28PM

CiniO wrote: »

Could you explain please, by example preferebly

I had to avoid getting knocked off my motorbike years ago on the m50 by accelerating out of it, and I was doing approx 120kmph at the time. I was overtaking a couple of cars, about half way through, the middle car (which was going a good bit below the limit) decided it would pull out to overtake and obviously didn't look/see me. So I either had the option of jamming on and probably hitting the back of the car, or accelerating past it on the very edge of the lane as the car closed in on me

CrazyRabbit · 26-03-2012 01:44PM

mrs crilly wrote: »

I personally would not be happy driving a car where the speed is restricted.

I obey speed limits most of the the time, housing estates / towns and cities etc.

(*most of the time means in day light hours when children can be about, I don't expect to see children on the road playing at say 11.45pm in the night time). It's the things you don't expect that result in accidents. What about an animal on the road, or some debris, or some drunk wearing all black clothing?

I do not obey speed limits when I am on a motorway. That's done at my own risk. It could also put others at risk should their be an accident (firefighters trying to pull you from a burning car etc).

However, if the motorway is busy, I will drive at the appropriate speeds which allow me to read the road ahead and give me time and space react to any situations that could arise. Which means obeying the speed limits.

(And of course speed is dependent on weather conditions, I am not going to bomb it down the road in the lashings of rain / fog / etc)

*putting on flame suit.......

My comments above in bold.
Controlling speed is more about reducing the severity of the accident, but certainly does have an impact on reducing the chance of an accident also.

Oh and BTW...I'm a motorcyclist. We've had restrictions for a very long time (speed/power restrictions for the 1st 2 years with a full licence). There's a good reason for the restrictions. It gives the driver time to increase their skill level before they can drive at the higher speeds capable from their vehicle.

Limiting Cars.

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