Anger of the public is rising

dark crystal · 23-03-2012 04:21PM

prinz wrote: »

Seriously what happens when 20, 30 people have the same idea? Do you let them all park there? What happens when the bus is prevented from parking safely? Do you tell people not to stop there in future?

If she was preventing the school bus from parking in the bay, then yes, she would deserve a ticket in that case.

keithclancy · 23-03-2012 04:26PM

dark crystal wrote: »

If she was preventing the school bus from parking in the bay, then yes, she would deserve a ticket in that case.

Ah so its ok then, so everyone should do it, excellent I'll spread the word.

They should just rename that thing outside the Airport from set down to bus stop.

I Heart Internet · 23-03-2012 04:27PM

The chancer, corrupt nod-and-wink stuff that went on with Bertie and his ilk is just a logical step along the road from people "bending" rules in a "it'll be grand, sure I'm not doing any harm" mentality of parking in bus stops, on footpaths, on yellow lines and so on.

No point telling guards to "do their jobs" when that is there job.

Ireland is blessed and, at the same time, kinda ruined by the "ah, sure it'll be grand" attitude.

You're not allowed park on a bus stop - don't ****ing park there. End of.

And maybe more importantly than that - don't complain about getting caught when you know it's not allowed.

kippy · 23-03-2012 04:29PM

keithclancy wrote: »

I think your watching too much TV.

1. Drink driving was rife back then, Ireland was one of the worst places in Europe for it.
2. You'd be more worried about the Paedo priests running the school, never mind the Weirdos that existed back then as well, they didn't just 'appear' in the last 20 years.
3. WTF, Bring an umbrella, less rain, I remember it being just as s*it as it is now.

The difference back then was it was seen as an unnecessary waste to drive that short a distance to school, now its seen as a necessity, plus people didn't have more than 1 car and your Dad or mum would have taken that to work.

There wasnt much drink driving happening at 9am or 14:00/15:00. Roads were generally safer as there were far fewer cars on them. 1 car per house (at most was the norm)
They didnt just appear in the last 20 years, I am aware of that, however people are more aware of them and there is a far bigger reporting on child kidnappings, child abuse and general crime towards children, despite it still being a pretty rare occurance (thankfully) - people are genuinely more fearful of this kind of stuff happening their kid now. It is very unfair to label priests as paedos also.

A five year old kid walking on his own to school with an umbrella - five years olds today can barely tie their own shoe laces.

Unfortunately mum didnt work, she minded my siblings at home and dad worked either in the UK or five hours drive from home.

Dangerous Man · 23-03-2012 04:30PM

I have all but stopped posting on boards because I grew sick to my back teeth of the way in which these forums are policed. I was also sick and tired of how every thread worth reading quickly degenerated into an exercise in nitpicking and pedantry.

I had to break my own 'rule' and chime in here because I am flabbergasted that so many people in this thread are either willfully, or just through plain stupidity, missing the OP's point.

Those people were 100% justified in shouting at those Guards - I applaud them - BRAVO!

The AGS has always been a big stick with which to beat little people in Ireland - that's all it's ever been. A bully-boy police force that is great at going after the little guy but utterly cowardly, flacid, impotent when it comes to going after serious criminals. That people are waking up to this fact is fantastic. That people have had the scales removed from their eyes and can now see the true nature of justice in Ireland is refreshing and who knows - might lead to a better country in the long run. What the OP presented to us should be taken not just literally but as symbolic of a deeper anger. I pray that it is and that Irish people will finally brush off this crippling apathy and scream, shout, and fight for change.

kippy · 23-03-2012 04:31PM

I Heart Internet wrote: »

The chancer, corrupt nod-and-wink stuff that went on with Bertie and his ilk is just a logical step along the road from people "bending" rules in a "it'll be grand, sure I'm not doing any harm" mentality of parking in bus stops, on footpaths, on yellow lines and so on.

No point telling guards to "do their jobs" when that is there job.

Ireland is blessed and, at the same time, kinda ruined by the "ah, sure it'll be grand" attitude.

You're not allowed park on a bus stop - don't ****ing park there. End of.

And maybe more importantly than that - don't complain about getting caught when you know it's not allowed.

That was my point in the post above.......

steddyeddy · 23-03-2012 04:32PM

prinz wrote: »

Ignorant fools should my their own business and let the gardaí do their jobs.

If they cant get their priorities right then its not really doing their jobs.

MaxSteele · 23-03-2012 04:34PM

Dangerous Man wrote: »

I have all but stopped posting on boards because I grew sick to my back teeth of the way in which these forums are policed. I was also sick and tired of how every thread worth reading quickly degenerated into an exercise in nitpicking and pedantry.

I had to break my own 'rule' and chime in here because I am flabbergasted that so many people in this thread are either willfully, or just through plain stupidity, missing the OP's point.

Those people were 100% justified in shouting at those Guards - I applaud them - BRAVO!

The AGS has always been a big stick with which to beat little people in Ireland - that's all it's ever been. A bully-boy police force that is great at going after the little guy but utterly cowardly, flacid, impotent when it comes to going after serious criminals. That people are waking up to this fact is fantastic. That people have had the scales removed from their eyes and can now see the true nature of justice in Ireland is refreshing and who knows - might lead to a better country in the long run. What the OP presented to us should be taken not just literally but as symbolic of a deeper anger. I pray that it is and that Irish people will finally brush off this crippling apathy and scream, shout, and fight for change.

Well said.

I lose faith in humanity listening to some of the pro-nanny state dribble being spewed on this thread.

dark crystal · 23-03-2012 04:36PM

I Heart Internet wrote: »

The chancer, corrupt nod-and-wink stuff that went on with Bertie and his ilk is just a logical step along the road from people "bending" rules in a "it'll be grand, sure I'm not doing any harm" mentality of parking in bus stops, on footpaths, on yellow lines and so on.

I'm actually beginning to wonder if anyone on this thread has ever parked on a yellow line or a footpath themselves...

Seems I'm the only one here guilty of such a heinous act of treachery!

I Heart Internet · 23-03-2012 04:36PM

kippy wrote: »

That was my point in the post above.......

Yeah, was reacting to the OP - didn't read very many of the responses.

mickydoomsux · 23-03-2012 04:38PM

I Heart Internet wrote: »

The chancer, corrupt nod-and-wink stuff that went on with Bertie and his ilk is just a logical step along the road from people "bending" rules in a "it'll be grand, sure I'm not doing any harm" mentality of parking in bus stops, on footpaths, on yellow lines and so on.

No point telling guards to "do their jobs" when that is there job.

Ireland is blessed and, at the same time, kinda ruined by the "ah, sure it'll be grand" attitude.

You're not allowed park on a bus stop - don't ****ing park there. End of.

And maybe more importantly than that - don't complain about getting caught when you know it's not allowed.

"B...b....but, the other lad did it as well. Shure, i should be allowed to do it.An older boy made me do it"

A nation of infantile buffoons. Disobey the law and then berate the people doing their jobs enforcing the law for not going after whoever you deem to be the "right" person to go after.

People complain about corruption revelations in the Mahon tribunal findings after voting in the corrupt scum who did it because of parish pump, nod and wink, "i'll get you a medical card/the roads done/the bit of planning" politics. We got the crooks we deserved.

I Heart Internet · 23-03-2012 04:39PM

dark crystal wrote: »

I'm actually beginning to wonder if anyone on this thread has ever parked on a yellow line or a footpath themselves...

Seems I'm the only one here guilty of such a heinous act of treachery!

I have. Absolutely I have.

But I don't whine about how other people get away with stuff if I get called on it by people employed and empowered to police it.

AnonoBoy · 23-03-2012 04:39PM

dark crystal wrote: »

I'm actually beginning to wonder if anyone on this thread has ever parked on a yellow line or a footpath themselves...

Seems I'm the only one here guilty of such a heinous act of treachery!

Of course people have. But there's no point giving the Gardai abuse about 'catching corrupt politicians' when they tell you not to.

keithclancy · 23-03-2012 04:40PM

kippy wrote: »

There wasnt much drink driving happening at 9am or 14:00/15:00. Roads were generally safer as there were far fewer cars on them. 1 car per house (at most was the norm)
They didnt just appear in the last 20 years, I am aware of that, however people are more aware of them and there is a far bigger reporting on child kidnappings, child abuse and general crime towards children, despite it still being a pretty rare occurance (thankfully) - people are genuinely more fearful of this kind of stuff happening their kid now. It is very unfair to label priests as paedos also.

That "morning after" thing that the RSA kept going on about must be total shíte then.

You know, over here in the Netherlands all the kids either get the bus or cycle to school. I'm sure people go missing, but tbh there would be no difference with someone bottling you in the face and then running off with your kid, if they really wanted to they would.

Not really relevant to Ireland, but a Dutch person would find it stupid to live in a place where their kids couldn't get to school or go to the city, they could buy a house 4 times the size out in the country but they make do with a smaller house to have amenities for their kids.

Mollycoddling your kid and driving them everywhere is just going to turn them into an overweight spoilt little shíte.

A five year old kid walking on his own to school with an umbrella - five years olds today can barely tie their own shoe laces.

Have adult walk with them then, the neighbourhood here take turns taking each others kids to school.

Unfortunately mum didnt work, she minded my siblings at home and dad worked either in the UK or five hours drive from home.

Well done for her, my mum did the same.

prinz · 23-03-2012 04:40PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

If they cant get their priorities right then its not really doing their jobs.

A couple of gardaí doing the grunt work on the beat have no say in the allocation of resources to the fraud squad or how that investigation is going. They were doing their job. Their job is not to pick and choose what to do on the basis that they could be doing something else, somewhere else. If you want to go take it out on the Commissioner, do. Those gardaí were doing their job.

Dangerous Man wrote: »

I pray that it is and that Irish people will finally brush off this crippling apathy and scream, shout, and fight for change.

Fight for the right to break whatever laws we see fit because someone else broke some. Hooray! Sounds like a great place to live altogether.

MaxSteele wrote: »

Well said.
I lose faith in humanity listening to some of the pro-nanny state dribble being spewed on this thread.

It has nothing to do with being nanny state?

AEDIC · 23-03-2012 04:43PM

Dangerous Man wrote: »

I have all but stopped posting on boards because I grew sick to my back teeth of the way in which these forums are policed. I was also sick and tired of how every thread worth reading quickly degenerated into an exercise in nitpicking and pedantry.

I had to break my own 'rule' and chime in here because I am flabbergasted that so many people in this thread are either willfully, or just through plain stupidity, missing the OP's point.

Those people were 100% justified in shouting at those Guards - I applaud them - BRAVO!

The AGS has always been a big stick with which to beat little people in Ireland - that's all it's ever been. A bully-boy police force that is great at going after the little guy but utterly cowardly, flacid, impotent when it comes to going after serious criminals. That people are waking up to this fact is fantastic. That people have had the scales removed from their eyes and can now see the true nature of justice in Ireland is refreshing and who knows - might lead to a better country in the long run. What the OP presented to us should be taken not just literally but as symbolic of a deeper anger. I pray that it is and that Irish people will finally brush off this crippling apathy and scream, shout, and fight for change.

So...big crime...ok for them to do their job.... little crime not ok for them to do their job.... is that it.. :rolleyes:

Did you read the OP at all and decipher from that the reason that they were shouting at the Garda?

Read it again.... do you think they were shouting at the Garda because of, and I quote ' A bully-boy police force that is great at going after the little guy' who actually was parking where they shouldnt have been.

Or maybe do you think they were shouting at the Garda because, like you.... they were actually mistakenly associating an actual driving/parking violation, with something that has not been proven to be a crime (whether you like it or not, right or wrong, that is the current state of the situation)

Lollipops23 · 23-03-2012 04:45PM

Yes, roaring abuse at 2 random police men will solve everything. They're just doing their jobs- they'd probably had a rake of complaints from locals of Dublin Bus about people pulling in wherever the hell they want to and had to act.

Apparently once you have a kid you can disregard basic driving rules....

dark crystal · 23-03-2012 04:47PM

I Heart Internet wrote: »

I have. Absolutely I have.

But I don't whine about how other people get away with stuff if I get called on it by people employed and empowered to police it.

But there's a world of difference here...

If I get a ticket for parking illegally, I have to pay it, or face a heavy fine or even prison. Fair cop, I'm held accountable.

Where is the accountability for those in power who broke the law - that's where the anger is coming from.

kippy · 23-03-2012 04:47PM

keithclancy wrote: »

That "morning after" thing that the RSA kept going on about must be total shíte then.

You know, over here in the Netherlands all the kids either get the bus or cycle to school. I'm sure people go missing, but tbh there would be no difference with someone bottling you in the face and then running off with your kid, if they really wanted to they would.

Not really relevant to Ireland, but a Dutch person would find it stupid to live in a place where their kids couldn't get to school or go to the city, they could buy a house 4 times the size out in the country but they make do with a smaller house to have amenities for their kids.

Mollycoddling your kid and driving them everywhere is just going to turn them into an overweight spoilt little shíte.

Have adult walk with them then, the neighbourhood here take turns taking each others kids to school.

Well done for her, my mum did the same.

There were less cars on the road back in the day, thats a fact. The morning after, on a week day? I'd say more people nowadays drink during the week and drive the next morning (pulling that stat out of my ass)

Every case is different, I amn't pro driving your kids to school, but I can see why some people do it, indeed this particular woman might be carpooling, may live a few miles away from the school due to enrollment policy (another issue) etc etc

In an ideal world kids would walk or cycle to school. We don't live in an ideal world and you only have to look in the cycling forum to see we have major issues with safe cycling in this country.

It would be nice to have adults walk the kids to school, an ideal scenario in some cases but this doesnt suit everyone.

prinz · 23-03-2012 04:49PM

dark crystal wrote: »

Where is the accountability for those in power who broke the law - that's where the anger is coming from.

For one thing the investigation into Anglo etc is still on going. The fraud squad is seriously undermanned and under resourced*. They've come out and given a timeline so often but apparently people still choose to ignore it. IIRC they should be finishing up next year. Woefully long, but it is on-going.

Secondly the Mahon Tribunal report has been forwarded to the DPP and AGS from what I heard last night.

So just who is not being held to account?

*just on that I have heard it recently about the team assigned to the banking collapse. Anglo and all the dodgy dealings. It was something like a team of 9 gardaí and a few of them were close to retirement age.

mickydoomsux · 23-03-2012 04:50PM

dark crystal wrote: »

Where is the accountability for those in power who broke the law - that's where the anger is coming from.

That's what tribunals are for. A file has been sent to the DPP as a result of the Mahon findings.

Should we just imprison everyone even slightly mentioned in it instead of actually doing the correct legal legwork?

Nothingbetter2d · 23-03-2012 04:50PM

kippy wrote: »

In an ideal world kids would walk or cycle to school. We don't live in an ideal world and you only have to look in the cycling forum to see we have major issues with safe cycling in this country.

It would be nice to have adults walk the kids to school, an ideal scenario in some cases but this doesnt suit everyone.

the biggest threat to kids walking to school these days is traffic and perverts with nasty intentions. no wonder parents feel the need to drive their kids to school, no parent wants to end up like the mccann family where a child goes missing never to be found again.

kincsem · 23-03-2012 04:52PM

^ does not compute.

Logical Fallacy · 23-03-2012 04:52PM

bluewolf wrote: »

If parents would stop parking everywhere in the vicinity of schools, swarming the roads, and often being a hazard, we'd get somewhere
good on the gardai for going out there

Absolutely. There are two schools on the street I live on, the parents are freaking hilarious when they are dropping off or picking up the kids.

The road is a freaking nightmare and you have at least 2 near misses a day and for some reason they seem more than happy to nearly run over other people's kids, park on double yellow lines while they get the shopping in before they collect the little ones etc.

The majority of them seem to feel like they are a law unto themselves.

dark crystal · 23-03-2012 04:52PM

prinz wrote: »

For one thing the investigation into Anglo etc is still on going. The fraud squad is seriously undermanned and under resourced. They've come out and given a timeline so often but apparently people still choose to ignore it. IIRC they should be finishing up next year. Woefully long, but it is on-going.

Secondly the Mahon Tribunal report has been forwarded to the DPP and AGS from what I heard last night.

So just who is not being held to account?

Ask me again when the Anglo investigation is concluded and the DPP come out with their findings.

Until then, it's fair to say, no one has yet been held accountable for any crime.

The King of Moo · 23-03-2012 04:53PM

dark crystal wrote: »

But there's a world of difference here...

If I get a ticket for parking illegally, I have to pay it, or face a heavy fine or even prison. Fair cop, I'm held accountable.

Where is the accountability for those in power who broke the law - that's where the anger is coming from.

But what's the point in directing this anger at two guards who are probably just doing their job? (though I should point out that the woman doesn't seem to have received a ticket)

Shouting at guards for giving tickets for small infringements makes it seem like the shouters think that guards should ignore small offences, and only punish major ones.

If they were shouting "We think you're right to give her a ticket if she's parked illegally, but we also think that other guards involved in prosecuting white-collar crime should be convicting more white-collar criminals! Please pass this on to your superiors!" then fair enough.

But giving out to guards doing their job makes it seem like those giving out think that for everyone parking offence punished, one white-collar criminal goes free.

We can, and should, enforce all of our laws. We don't have to choose whether to enforce the big or the small ones. We can do both simultaneously.

I Heart Internet · 23-03-2012 04:54PM

dark crystal wrote: »

Where is the accountability for those in power who broke the law - that's where the anger is coming from.

The fact that other's are not, or have not yet, been held accountable for different offences isn't a get out of jail for those who have been held accountable.

If people are angry that they perceive certain people haven't been held accountable for crimes then that's fine. But it's no excuse for committing your own offences.

steddyeddy · 23-03-2012 04:55PM

prinz wrote: »

steddyeddy wrote: »

If they cant get their priorities right then its not really doing their jobs.

A couple of gardaí doing the grunt work on the beat have no say in the allocation of resources to the fraud squad or how that investigation is going. They were doing their job. Their job is not to pick and choose what to do on the basis that they could be doing something else, somewhere else. If you want to go take it out on the Commissioner, do. Those gardaí were doing their job.

Dangerous Man wrote: »

I pray that it is and that Irish people will finally brush off this crippling apathy and scream, shout, and fight for change.

Fight for the right to break whatever laws we see fit because someone else broke some. Hooray! Sounds like a great place to live altogether.

MaxSteele wrote: »

Well said.
I lose faith in humanity listening to some of the pro-nanny state dribble being spewed on this thread.

It has nothing to do with being nanny state?

Prinz are not angry at the amount of serious criminals walking the street when gaurds pick on the minor crimes?

kippy · 23-03-2012 04:55PM

prinz wrote: »

For one thing the investigation into Anglo etc is still on going. The fraud squad is seriously undermanned and under resourced. They've come out and given a timeline so often but apparently people still choose to ignore it. IIRC they should be finishing up next year. Woefully long, but it is on-going.

Secondly the Mahon Tribunal report has been forwarded to the DPP and AGS from what I heard last night.

So just who is not being held to account?

Where does a man start.
1. Ivor Callelly.
2. John O Donohoe.
3. Willie O Dea (over the case in Limerick a few years ago)
4. Aongus O Snodaigh.
5. Charlie Haughy
6. Denis O Brien
7. Any banker who advised the markets/shareholders that they were sound out/misrepresented directors loans/"swapped" monies from one bank to another to make the books look better, facilitated insider trading. (while this investigation is ongoing = 4 YEARS - if we care about this kind of thing why isnt MORE manpower going into it?
The list does go on, but a lot of these people have had the issues buried and I cannot remember them all.....

We dont have a great history in investigating at a criminal level or prosecuting white collar crime. Somewhere there has to be a last straw.

Id also like to state, as have Bertie and others, that the reports of these tribunals are not legally binding, prosecutions may not even stem from them.........negating 15 years work and countless millions, while all the time as the tribunal went on these guys ran the country.....and are now away into the sunset.

keithclancy · 23-03-2012 04:55PM

Nothingbetter2d wrote: »

the biggest threat to kids walking to school these days is traffic and perverts with nasty intentions. no wonder parents feel the need to drive their kids to school, no parent wants to end up like the mccann family where a child goes missing never to be found again.

Where does it end and when does it become 'safe' to leave your kids go somewhere on their own ?

The McCanns ? ... Sky have alot to answer for.

Anger of the public is rising

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