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Mahon Tribunal report - merge

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  • #2
    mike65
    Closed Accounts Posts: 88,968 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    No one will be found guilty of anything.


  • #3
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    mike65 wrote: »
    No one will be found guilty of anything.

    Well, apart from being reliable fellows to have about oneself.....
    http://files.broadsheet.ie/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Ireland-Day-on-Wall-Street-as-Enda-Kenny-rings-opening-bell.jpg


    http://www.broadsheet.ie/2012/03/20/last-night-in-dc/


  • #4
    admiralofthefleet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 15,515 ✭✭✭✭admiralofthefleet


    id say bertie is really shitting himself:rolleyes:


  • #5
    ilovesleep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,619 ✭✭✭ilovesleep


    Is this a rumour? What excuse will they issue in the morning to hang on to it for longer? 15 years - holy sh1t. It's been ready since 2007 though. 5 years was spent drinking tea and coffee and pretending to work.


  • #6
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    admiralofthefleet wrote: »
    id say bertie is really shitting himself:rolleyes:

    .....absolutely. He won't be able to answer the listed phone for days.


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  • #7
    ilovesleep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,619 ✭✭✭ilovesleep


    admiralofthefleet wrote: »
    id say bertie is really shitting himself:rolleyes:

    Good!

    May he now copy hitler and take his own advice and take a rope to his neck.


  • #8
    Arciphel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,837 ✭✭✭Arciphel


    As someone said on Twitter -"it cost €250 million, it better be in 3D"


  • #9
    eth0
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,632 ✭✭✭eth0


    How many euros were spent per letter in the report?


  • #10
    admiralofthefleet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 15,515 ✭✭✭✭admiralofthefleet


    ilovesleep wrote: »
    Good!

    May he now copy hitler and take his own advice and take a rope to his neck.

    i thought herr hitler blew his brains out


  • #11
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    admiralofthefleet wrote: »
    i thought herr hitler blew his brains out

    ...that was his double. Hitler survived the war and worked for many years as a Christian Brother.


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  • #12
    Lawrence1895
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,627 ✭✭✭Lawrence1895


    admiralofthefleet wrote: »
    i thought herr hitler blew his brains out

    Didn't he take Cyanide, before he shot himself? ;)


  • #13
    krudler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,788 ✭✭✭✭krudler


    one thing us Irish are world class at is tribunals


  • #14
    admiralofthefleet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 15,515 ✭✭✭✭admiralofthefleet


    Lars1916 wrote: »
    Didn't he take Cyanide, before he shot himself? ;)

    he did, Lord rest him


  • #15
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    Predictions.

    1. Mr Ahern will get a stern telling off.
    (Swiftly followed by a booting from the FF party - at most! He must be sick over that one... LOL NOT!!!)

    2. The un-named involved in the Drumconrda Mafia, the Golden Circle ten, and Mr Aherns buddies further involved in business transactions as well as those also involved in the Dail, will remain un-named and even in for years to come, unquestioned.

    3. There will be calls for legal reform - nothing new there. These calls have been around for years but it will be brought up again.
    Its good PR for the masses who will move on in six months time and by the whole, forget about these needed changes - and the politicians know this.

    4. The Dail debate will get heated - one blaming the other side - then they will all have drinkies together in the Dail bars (there's two) and/or restaurant.

    5. The un-named will sleep better tomorrow night with glee!


  • #16
    Rabidlamb
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,202 ✭✭✭Rabidlamb


    People will be implicated.
    They'll do a Michael Lowry & say they don't agree.
    Report will get sent to a sub-committee to examine the recommendations.
    We'll never hear of it again.
    €250 million well spent.


  • #17
    ilovesleep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,619 ✭✭✭ilovesleep


    What was the purpose of this tribunal aside from filling up the pockets of the legal profession and protecting those who did wrong with dodgy from the law and revenue?

    I know Berty had dodgy incomes and expenses but Berty isn't the only man in this tribunal. There was more who were investigated. Maybe somebody here will be able to fill me in on who else and for what?


  • #18
    ColeTrain
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,681 ✭✭✭ColeTrain


    What a money racket these tribunals are. Who gets to work on them? Do they all throw their names into a hat and the winners get picked to preside over them. It would be as good as winning the lotto. Talk about a ****ed system.


  • #19
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/3940/bertie630x260book2.jpg


  • #20
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,182 ✭✭✭dvpower


    ColeTrain wrote: »
    What a money racket these tribunals are.
    They are. We should really do these kinds of enquiries better, maybe Oireachtas enquiries with the power to compel witnesses.
    Wait no... we rejected that approach in the last referendum.
    Ah well, back to tribunals.


  • #21
    kippy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,020 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    dvpower wrote: »
    They are. We should really do these kinds of enquiries better, maybe Oireachtas enquiries with the power to compel witnesses.
    Wait no... we rejected that approach in the last referendum.
    Ah well, back to tribunals.
    The Garda fraud squad (expand it if required) followed by the criminal courts are where this type of thing should be handled, not through never ending tribunals where nothing actually comes of it, and not through an investigation by your peers who have little or no teeth anyway, no matter who they can compel to appear before them.


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  • #22
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,182 ✭✭✭dvpower


    kippy wrote: »
    The Garda fraud squad (expand it if required) followed by the criminal courts are where this type of thing should be handled, not through never ending tribunals where nothing actually comes of it, and not through an investigation by your peers who have little or no teeth anyway, no matter who they can compel to appear before them.
    Its criminal investigations or nothing?

    That's Frank Dunlop and Liam Lawlor getting a let off - the Garda enquiries that preceded Mahon came up empty


  • #23
    Son Of A Vidic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,370 ✭✭✭✭Son Of A Vidic


    patwicklow wrote: »
    After 15 years has made a good few millionaires in the process

    Perhaps we need a new tribunal to find out why?


  • #24
    galwayrush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,816 ✭✭✭✭galwayrush


    Corvus Maximus wrote: »
    Perhaps we need a new tribunal to find out why?

    An extra 180 euro on the house charge would go a long way paying for one..:pac:


  • #25
    kippy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,020 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    dvpower wrote: »
    Its criminal investigations or nothing?

    That's Frank Dunlop and Liam Lawlor getting a let off - the Garda enquiries that preceded Mahon came up empty
    Yep, proper criminal investigations or nothing. I mean what is the point having any enquiry if nothing happens at the end of it?

    We dont have a unit within the gardai to deal specifically with this type of thing and they have always been way understaffed. Althought come to think of it, this would almost fall directly within the remit of CAB or an amended function of the CAB.


  • #26
    shangri la
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 952 ✭✭✭shangri la


    Need to audit these thieves.


  • #27
    Voodoo_rasher
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 521 ✭✭✭Voodoo_rasher


    best career guidance you could give your children is advise them to study law. "Its a legal gravy train, son". "You'll never be short of (lucrative work) err.....tribunals"!


  • #28
    Keyzer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,331 ✭✭✭Keyzer


    I fail to see the point in these ridiculous tribunals - this one is going to cost between €250 million - €300 million.

    No one will be prosecuted...

    No one will be jailed...

    No one will be sacked...

    And to top it off, the overall cost of this thing is more than these crooks ever stole plus it has made millionaires of a lot of barristers...


  • #29
    blackwhite
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,992 ✭✭✭blackwhite


    mike65 wrote: »
    No one will be found guilty of anything.


    Of course they won't. It's a tribunal, not a trial.
    It has the power to conclude on what it believes to have happened. Findings of guilt or otherwise are outside of its remit.

    The only way somebody can be convicted (i.e. "found guilty") as a result of a tribunal is if the tribunal has uncovered sufficient evidence for the DPP to subsequently launch a prosecution in the Courts, and secure a conviction.

    Another reason why these tribunals of inquiry are nothing but a monumental waste of money. Give the Gardai proper resources (and expert training) to investigate these types of thing and let proper criminal investigations commence


  • #30
    ilovesleep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,619 ✭✭✭ilovesleep


    It's out and here I was thinking that they were going to hang onto it for another 5 years.

    It found that Bertie is a liar:

    Read here:
    http://m.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056582880&page=2


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  • #31
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    Page 2481 of the report states that much of the explanation provided by Bertie Ahern as to the source of the substantial funds identified and inquired into during the Tribunal’s public hearings was deemed by the Tribunal to have been untrue.

    Well no schite Sherlock!
    There's a surprise well worth waiting for!

    Here is the Mahon Tribunal introduction: http://cdn.thejournal.ie/media/2012/03/mahon1.pdf
    Quite significantly we have learned so far that the tribunal has quite categorically rejected Bertie Ahern’s evidence that he received so-called dig outs from friends during the 90s. He failed to truthfully account for over €165,000 that passed through his accounts. This may be stating the obvious but that is not good news for the former Taoiseach.

    http://www.thejournal.ie/liveblog-the-mahon-tribunal-publishes-its-final-report-392269-Mar2012/


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