Cheap Chinese ditch finders

Indricotherium · 16-03-2012 11:51am

keithclancy wrote: »

darokane wrote: »

A good driver will control their car no matter what tyre is on it in any conditions.

A good driver will make sure they have a good set of tyres, since its the last bit connecting you with the road.

A driver who sticks cheap sh*te on their car and heads out with the "I'm such a good driver I can forsee anything" is in my a view, deluded.

The cheap chinese brands come out bottom in nearly all the ADAC Tests, lots of them fail the speed test (rated speed) resulting in blowouts and shredding. Very dangerous.

E.G. Wanli

Myself I stick the Cruise Control at 180km/h on the way to work, I'd prefer to spend a bit more on a decent tyre than save a few quid and risk paying a whole lot more in car repair costs or in the worst case my life.

If you're sticking the cruise control at 180 on a commute, in Ireland you are exceeding the maximum speed rating for whatever road you are on.

I don't think your opinion on the safety of average tyres for an average driver is valid.

alias no.9 · 16-03-2012 11:59am

Indricotherium wrote: »

If you're sticking the cruise control at 180 on a commute, in Ireland you are exceeding the maximum speed rating for whatever road you are on.

I don't think your opinion on the safety of average tyres for an average driver is valid.

What makes you think he's in Ireland?

heate · 16-03-2012 12:06pm

I've never 'experienced' cheap tyres I run sport maxx II which cost a ridiculous amount of money on the one hand but last for a long time on the other. How long do cheap tyres last? Cost/benefit?

Indricotherium · 16-03-2012 12:07pm

Tea 1000 wrote: »

Indricotherium wrote: »

"If I'm still alive" seriously?

Maybe it's just that I don't drive like a dick, but I've been perfectly happy on them for years.

I suspect you'd change your tune if it was triangle tyres with a load of hoardings at Anfield or on the side of an f1 car and passing the expense of that on to you.

So you think all that separates a branded tyre from a non-branded one is advertising? What else in life do you apply this theory

I apply it to most things. In many cases the only difference between a branded product and a generic one is the name and the money spent advertising and building brand recognition.

I agree that in some cases there is a prestige value in buying the more expensive branded version. A pair of expensive branded jeans versus a cheap pair from a high street shop. One clearly has a value above the other but both are equally effective as a pair of trousers.

I do have to admit I rarely buy tyres, maybe once every three years, it's not a big expense for me, so I tend to go for the branded versions, however I just bought a car that has two new triangle tyres on the front and two unbranded ones on the back and they seem perfect.

My oh always buys the cheapest she can find and they seem grand also.

tossy · 16-03-2012 12:13pm

Indricotherium wrote: »

If you're sticking the cruise control at 180 on a commute, in Ireland you are exceeding the maximum speed rating for whatever road you are on.

Maximum speed rating or maximum speed limit? I appreciate the limit is exceeded but i would like to think most of the motorways etc are capable of handling a car travelling at 180kmh over them

I have visions of tarmac melting and roads breaking up when cars go too fast,oh and of course yourself,Joe Duffy and uncle Gaybo screaming blue murder at the drivers :pac:

tossy · 16-03-2012 12:14pm

Indricotherium wrote: »

I however I just bought a car that has two new triangle tyres on the front and two unbranded ones on the back.

So it has 4 crap tyres on it then?

Chuck_Norris · 16-03-2012 12:17pm

If I could add my 2 cents here

I've had what we would classify as ditchfinders in my car recently (1.9 TDi Octavia), and found hem absolutely appalling.
I would like I think of myself as a reasonably competent driver, and dont "drive like a dick", because I've my son in the car quite a bit, and basically because the car doesn't afford me the option to.
The tyres were Federal brand, which are apparently quite respected/ a premium brand in Australia, but I found them to be shockingly bad. They were an extremely hard compound, meaning they were very long lasting, but had no grip at all in the damp, never mind the wet.
In the dry, they were reasonable, bordering on good. So perhaps that would be why they were treated in such high esteem in Australia, given their warm/ dry climate.
I know this is a rambling post, but my ultimate point is this: O/P, you didn't want any first hand evidence/ links to threads, but of ou google Federal tyres, the first few links will give pretty glowing reports. But primarily from sites outside this country. Personally I would much rather advice given by people who have experience in what they are talking about.

Going fully on topic again, the Federal tyres came with a set of alloys I bought. First time I've ever had cheap tyres on the car. Over the 6 years I've owned it I've probably had every major brand of tyre on it, and can safely say that the difference in Premium Brands and Ditchfinders is much, much more than advertising.
Buying cheap shoite will only end up costing you in the long run.

Ramble over.

_Kaiser_ · 16-03-2012 12:29pm

Indricotherium wrote: »

If you're sticking the cruise control at 180 on a commute, in Ireland you are exceeding the maximum speed rating for whatever road you are on.

I don't think your opinion on the safety of average tyres for an average driver is valid.

alias no.9 wrote: »

What makes you think he's in Ireland?

I knew there'd be someone who'd have to ride in on a very tall horse when I saw KC's post

(hint: Location, Location, LOCATION)

Indricotherium · 16-03-2012 12:34pm

tossy wrote: »

Maximum speed rating or maximum speed limit? I
appreciate the limit is exceeded but i would like to think most of the
motorways etc are capable of handling a car travelling at 180kmh over them
I have visions of tarmac melting and roads breaking up when cars go too
fast,oh and of course yourself,Joe Duffy and uncle Gaybo screaming blue
murder at the drivers

I don't want to get into the argument about speed limits, but if you drive
like that the 1% difference that cheap tyres apparently make is magnified,
so you're opinion while probably valid on how the tyre operates at 180kph
is useless to me.

It's far from high horsery, I just don't drive like that so the tyre being useless at 180 clicks is meaningless to me.

Mycroft H · 16-03-2012 12:34pm

I had Austone tyres on my Xantia when I bought them. For Chinese tyres they were rather good.

Grip in the dry was rather good, even when pushing the car a bit. Wet grip was a bit different, a little bit worse, but still very drivable. The ABS did kick in a little bit more often the then wet under emergency braking a little bit more then the Verdsteins that replaced them. However, I never was afraid of driving with them.

They were a softer compound I think, the thread wore out as quick enough.

keithclancy · 16-03-2012 1:03pm

Indricotherium wrote: »

I don't want to get into the argument about speed limits, but if you drive
like that the 1% difference that cheap tyres apparently make is magnified,
so you're opinion while probably valid on how the tyre operates at 180kph
is useless to me.

It's far from high horsery, I just don't drive like that so the tyre being useless at 180 clicks is meaningless to me.

The flux capacitor does not kick at 141.6 km/h, you will not end up back in 1885

On a serious note you might be better of getting a lower rated tyre:
http://www.tyresave.co.uk/tyrspeed.html

R or S rated would do you if you never drive over 170.

conzy · 16-03-2012 1:13pm

Indricotherium wrote: »

I don't want to get into the argument about speed limits, but if you drive
like that the 1% difference that cheap tyres apparently make is magnified,
so you're opinion while probably valid on how the tyre operates at 180kph
is useless to me.

It's far from high horsery, I just don't drive like that so the tyre being useless at 180 clicks is meaningless to me.

You still think the difference between ditch finders and good tyres is only apparent at high speeds or while "driving like a dick"?

On a rainy day if a child steps out in front of a car travelling 60km/h (yes this is a 50km/h zone just to really get your juices flowing

) if the car has ditch finders the child's chances are a lot less than if the car had good tyres with good wet grip.

I would say the stopping distance is 80% longer with ditch finders

Borderfox · 16-03-2012 1:15pm

Best tyres I ever had were Goodyear Eagle F1's worst are the two Triangles on the front of my Citroen C5 although they are not lethal by any means, I have had Nankangs and found them much better than the triangles and quite a few branded tryes I have had Falken ZE-502's come to mind.

puppetmaster · 16-03-2012 1:16pm

RoverJames wrote: »

I find the Accelera Phi very good, they're almost done now though after 15,000 miles.

I put a pair of accelera's on the oul chaps jeep to see how they were, very impressed buy them have put them on other things too. Their much better than the handkooks i took off, Better grip, road noise etc. dunno about longevity yet though.

@ Dr Fuzz, I stuck a pair of semperit speed lifes on the front there about 3 months ago, they were at a good price and a somewhat decent name. I find them pretty good, grippy enough. Do you notice yours being noisey on roundabouts though?

Anan1 · 16-03-2012 1:22pm

conzymaher wrote: »

On a rainy day if a child steps out in front of a car travelling 60km/h (yes this is a 50km/h zone just to really get your juices flowing ) if the car has ditch finders the child's chances are a lot less than if the car had good tyres with good wet grip.

So the benefit of spending more on good tyres is cancelled out by the decision to exceed the speed limit?;)

Mycroft H · 16-03-2012 1:30pm

conzymaher wrote: »

You still think the difference between ditch finders and good tyres is only apparent at high speeds or while "driving like a dick"?

On a rainy day if a child steps out in front of a car travelling 60km/h (yes this is a 50km/h zone just to really get your juices flowing ) if the car has ditch finders the child's chances are a lot less than if the car had good tyres with good wet grip.

I would say the stopping distance is 80% longer with ditch finders

I'm going to be skeptical about the 80 percent figure. Anything to back it up?

keithclancy · 16-03-2012 1:36pm

BX 19 wrote: »

I'm going to be skeptical about the 80 percent figure. Anything to back it up?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2c9Ry0JfMw

Not 50km/h but here a comparison at 70mph

Merch · 16-03-2012 1:39pm

Indricotherium wrote: »

There's a lot of guff talked about unbranded tyres on this forum.

Is there any real proof that these tyres wear faster or don't grip as well as branded European ones.

In my experience they dont/didn't wear faster, they seemed to be harder wearing/longer lasting, but then again I dont do much miles these days. Not that long lasting is that good of a thing, just that you have a poorer performing tyre on the vehicle for longer because it still has greater than the minimum thread depth.

If you aren't driving much/the distances aren't long, they could suffice, especially if you are someone just pottering around doing errands locally and dont build up speed, all the same you would be as well with a better performing tyre that costs only slightly more or a part worn tyre of a better make.

I paid around only 20 euro extra per tyre for new named brand from their cheaper end, over the cheapo chinese versions I had (believe me, I tried a few different types, they were all pretty poor at least, to very bad, one set were horrendous) when replacing two tyres on the front. The difference of the name brand pair was significant, and to be honest I was lucky, I didnt even do a review on them.

The only proof I have is my experience, its enough for me.

C4Kid · 16-03-2012 1:41pm

I'm still getting used to the continentals but I noticed a considerable difference in grip when braking hard this morning on a soaked dual carriageway.

I ended slowing a bit too much which I wasn't expecting as I was so used to allowing extra distance to stop on chinese tyres.

Mycroft H · 16-03-2012 1:43pm

keithclancy wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2c9Ry0JfMw

Not 50km/h but here a comparison at 70mph

Thats nowhere near 80% more. I still know which I would prefer but no exactly the most balanced test.

keithclancy · 16-03-2012 1:53pm

BX 19 wrote: »

Thats nowhere near 80% more. I still know which I would prefer but no exactly the most balanced test.

Well you can use percentage any way you want, but distance if its a meter more it can be the difference between not hitting someone and someone ending up on your bonnet.

Still though, your right in that respect, I would almost definitely say its not 80%.

Maybe 30% more.

Borderfox · 16-03-2012 1:58pm

linglong

great name and quite apt too.

tossy · 16-03-2012 1:59pm

Indricotherium wrote: »

I don't want to get into the argument about speed limits, but if you drive
like that the 1% difference that cheap tyres apparently make is magnified,
so you're opinion while probably valid on how the tyre operates at 180kph
is useless to me.
.

Try reading my post again chuck,plus your attitude leaves a lot to be desired,and your knowledge is seriously lacking e.g you see the merit of levis over cheapo jeans but don't see the merit of a premium brand tyre over a no name or cheap brand??? that's a seriously flawed logic as most premium brand tyre manufacturers are actively involved in motorsport and spend millions in R&D,sure all levis have to do is buy slightly better denim and use fancier sewing machines to put it together

unkel · 16-03-2012 2:00pm

BX 19 wrote: »

Thats nowhere near 80% more. I still know which I would prefer but no exactly the most balanced test.

Shocking difference all the same. At the point where the car with the good tyres had completely stopped, the same car with the crap tyres was still doing 50km/h. The difference between not hitting a pedestrian and almost certainly killing the pedestrian

Please folks, don't buy this crap. Save your money elsewhere, not on tyres.

Merch · 16-03-2012 2:04pm

BX 19 wrote: »

I had Austone tyres on my Xantia when I bought them. For Chinese tyres they were rather good.

Grip in the dry was rather good, even when pushing the car a bit. Wet grip was a bit different, a little bit worse, but still very drivable. The ABS did kick in a little bit more often the then wet under emergency braking a little bit more then the Verdsteins that replaced them. However, I never was afraid of driving with them.

They were a softer compound I think, the thread wore out as quick enough.

I am sure there probably are good quality chinese (or from elsewhere) tyres, but maybe the price doesnt make it viable to sell them here to compete with existing name brands, that for the same or a similar price people will go for instead.
Or as you yourself have stated when performance did exist, the tyre wore out quicker?
What we need is a good quality chinese (or elsewhere) tyre at a budget price, unfortunately I think these tyres have picked up a bad reputation and even I would be wary now.

In the dry, I didnt even have a problem when i had cheap tyres but in the wet was another story altogether, as we have so much wet weather, I think currently its not worth it.

BX 19 wrote: »

I'm going to be skeptical about the 80 percent figure. Anything to back it up?

I would be wary of any one figure outright, but that doesnt mean I think they are good. I think the performance of any tyre is going to vary with the car type and weight and the conditions, Id even say the performance at low speeds might even be worse as a percentage(or not as expected), I dont think the reduction in performance will be linear as speed increases (and I dont mean whether the vehicle stays in a straight line).

Even at low speed i felt the performance (grip) deteriorated rapidly at low speed.
To be honest once I really became aware they were not good in the wet I never really pushed the performance envelope as it wasn't that broad.

Edit I see someone got there before me, re the percent increase and the preference to use distance even rather than a percent, I would have suggested a 30% increase, but I dont think that was at all speeds, at times at low speed I felt that would be a greater percent, ie 80% (in the wet) but that might have meant travelling a metre extra, whereas at a greater speed it might be 30% extra but could entail travelling quite a distance over what would be considered a good/normal stopping distance, hence me not believing performance is linear or as might intuitively be expected as speed increases.

Indricotherium · 16-03-2012 2:20pm

tossy wrote: »

Indricotherium wrote: »

I don't want to get into the argument about speed limits, but if you drive
like that the 1% difference that cheap tyres apparently make is magnified,
so you're opinion while probably valid on how the tyre operates at 180kph
is useless to me.
.

Try reading my post again chuck,plus your attitude leaves a lot to be desired,and your knowledge is seriously lacking e.g you see the merit of levis over cheapo jeans but don't see the merit of a premium brand tyre over a no name or cheap brand??? that's a seriously flawed logic as most premium brand tyre manufacturers are actively involved in motorsport and spend millions in R&D,sure all levis have to do is buy slightly better denim and use fancier sewing machines to put it together

Maybe try reading my post again.

I recognise that there is a prestige value in buying mercs, Levis, apple but I think you get practically the same functionality in Toyota, pennies, dell.

Tea 1000 · 16-03-2012 2:21pm

Indricotherium wrote: »

I apply it to most things. In many cases the only difference between a branded product and a generic one is the name and the money spent advertising and building brand recognition.

I agree that in some cases there is a prestige value in buying the more expensive branded version. A pair of expensive branded jeans versus a cheap pair from a high street shop. One clearly has a value above the other but both are equally effective as a pair of trousers.

I do have to admit I rarely buy tyres, maybe once every three years, it's not a big expense for me, so I tend to go for the branded versions, however I just bought a car that has two new triangle tyres on the front and two unbranded ones on the back and they seem perfect.

My oh always buys the cheapest she can find and they seem grand also.

If you can't tell the difference, it just means that you're not a great driver. It doesn't mean that there isn't a difference.

Indricotherium wrote: »

I don't want to get into the argument about speed limits, but if you drive
like that the 1% difference that cheap tyres apparently make is magnified,
so you're opinion while probably valid on how the tyre operates at 180kph
is useless to me.

It's far from high horsery, I just don't drive like that so the tyre being useless at 180 clicks is meaningless to me.

The difference is far greater than 1%, but your mind seems closed to this fact, despite what everyone on here from their own experience is telling you.

I really think it's time for our Government to come up with a tyre rating system similar to the Euro NCAP tests, and give tyres a rating. Then people could actually see that spending €50 on a one-star tyre is silly when €60 would get you a 3-and-a-half star tyre.
I'd also approve a system where if your NCT report shows that you have 1 star tyres on, then a 15% premium is added to your annual motor tax.

tossy · 16-03-2012 2:25pm

Indricotherium wrote: »

Maybe try reading my post again.

I recognise that there is a prestige value in buying mercs, Levis, apple but I think you get practically the same functionality in Toyota, pennies, dell.

I apologise you did indeed make that point - however my above post still stands regards R&D motorsport experience etc.I think you came here with the opinion charlie cheapo tyres are just as good as the fancy ones and you are not for turning, am i wrong?

Chuck_Norris · 16-03-2012 2:27pm

tossy wrote: »

Try reading my post again chuck,plus your attitude leaves a lot to be desired,and your knowledge is seriously lacking e.g you see the merit of levis over cheapo jeans but don't see the merit of a premium brand tyre over a no name or cheap brand??? that's a seriously flawed logic as most premium brand tyre manufacturers are actively involved in motorsport and spend millions in R&D,sure all levis have to do is buy slightly better denim and use fancier sewing machines to put it together

Where am I coming into this? Dunno how to make others comments come out in bold/ highlight them.

conzy · 16-03-2012 2:31pm

Yes Dell and Apple computers are essentially the same under the surface and Apple command a premium. But this does not apply to linglong and Michelin..

I'm sure if you went to the rock climbing forum and said you can get harnesses for 1/4 of the price from hong kong on ebay they would have the same reaction.

Indricotherium · 16-03-2012 2:38pm

tossy wrote: »

Indricotherium wrote: »

Maybe try reading my post again.

I recognise that there is a prestige value in buying mercs, Levis, apple but I think you get practically the same functionality in Toyota, pennies, dell.

I apologise you did indeed make that point - however my above post still stands regards R&D motorsport experience etc.I think you came here with the opinion charlie cheapo tyres are just as good as the fancy ones and you are not for turning, am i wrong?

It's not that I won't change my mind but what I'm really looking for is like you say a chart that says triangle tyres 1 star, michelan 3 star.

One that's been put together by ncap or the like.

tossy · 16-03-2012 2:40pm

conzymaher wrote: »

I'm sure if you went to the rock climbing forum and said you can get harnesses for 1/4 of the price from hong kong on ebay they would have the same reaction.

the memebers of the S+M forum would be equally as shocked

Tea 1000 · 16-03-2012 2:42pm

Indricotherium wrote: »

It's not that I won't change my mind but what I'm really looking for is like you say a chart that says triangle tyres 1 star, michelan 3 star.

One that's been put together by ncap or the like.

Doesn't exist yet. But there was a time a few years ago that the NCAP tests didn't exist, and back then it didn't mean that all cars performed the same in a crash, it simply meant that no one was measuring.... or actually Volvo and Saab were, but back then the other you of the past was probably criticising them for just marketing and saying that all cars are the same because there is no newspaper that shows otherwise!

Indricotherium · 16-03-2012 2:55pm

Tea 1000 wrote: »

Doesn't exist yet. But there was a time a few years ago that the NCAP tests didn't exist, and back then it didn't mean that all cars performed the same in a crash, it simply meant that no one was measuring.... or actually Volvo and Saab were, but back then the other you of the past was probably criticising them for just marketing and saying that all cars are the same because there is no newspaper that shows otherwise!

People were saying Renaults were death traps and rovers were safe as houses too.

Not the case as the ncap has shown.

djimi · 16-03-2012 3:11pm

Indricotherium wrote: »

Maybe try reading my post again.

I recognise that there is a prestige value in buying mercs, Levis, apple but I think you get practically the same functionality in Toyota, pennies, dell.

In fairness there is a world of difference between the quality of Levis jeans and something you would buy in Penneys. If dont agree with this then I would have to conclude that you have never worn or owned either...

As for the tires, there is a noticable difference with the more expensive branded tires. I cant remember what I had on my Civic but when I switched to a set of decent Bridgestones the whole car felt different; better braking, handling, quieter etc. Im sure the cheap budget tires are fine in so far as they meet the minimum safety spec, but that spec isnt particularly high, and when it comes to the only thing that keeps my car on the road, I sure as hell am not going to buy the brand that only just about makes the grade...

Indricotherium · 16-03-2012 3:16pm

djimi wrote: »

Indricotherium wrote: »

Maybe try reading my post again.

I recognise that there is a prestige value in buying mercs, Levis, apple but I think you get practically the same functionality in Toyota, pennies, dell.

In fairness there is a world of difference between the quality of Levis jeans and something you would buy in Penneys. If dont agree with this then I would have to conclude that you have never worn or owned either...

As for the tires, there is a noticable difference with the more expensive branded tires. I cant remember what I had on my Civic but when I switched to a set of decent Bridgestones the whole car felt different; better braking, handling, quieter etc. Im sure the cheap budget tires are fine in so far as they meet the minimum safety spec, but that spec isnt particularly high, and when it comes to the only thing that keeps my car on the road, I sure as hell am not going to buy the brand that only just about makes the grade...

Could there be an element of switching from old worn tyres to brand new ones in that though.

It will have been months at least since you drove the civic with fresh tyres.

Tea 1000 · 16-03-2012 3:18pm

Indricotherium wrote: »

Could there be an element of switching from old worn tyres to brand new ones in that though.

It will have been months at least since you drove the civic with fresh tyres.

Nope. Recently had a rental car with crap, but new tyres. They were dreadful, worse than the worn out good brand that I recently took off my wife's car.

Merch · 16-03-2012 3:20pm

Indricotherium wrote: »

People were saying Renaults were death traps and rovers were safe as houses too.

Not the case as the ncap has shown.

By all means buy the cheap tyres, I would pay heed to the warnings and take it handy on them till you determine when (if) they are ok and when not.
I did find mine ok in the dry but, rapidly lose grip in the wet

djimi · 16-03-2012 3:21pm

Indricotherium wrote: »

Could there be an element of switching from old worn tyres to brand new ones in that though.

It will have been months at least since you drove the civic with fresh tyres.

Absolutely not, no. The tires that were on it were new when I got the car, and at no point did the car ever feel as good as it did when I put on the Bridgestones.

Nissan doctor · 16-03-2012 3:22pm

Indricotherium wrote: »

-Corkie- wrote: »

What I'm rabbiting on about is that this seems to be a situation where massive advertising has created an image around certain brands that is meaningless.

All tyres sold on this country meet the same safety standards.

Some people seem to believe that European corporations who manufacture tyres will go above and beyond that safety standard, and also that other brands will be below it.

No they don't.

Matt Simis · 16-03-2012 3:27pm

Indricotherium wrote: »

Could there be an element of switching from old worn tyres to brand new ones in that though.

It will have been months at least since you drove the civic with fresh tyres.

Ive had 2 cars with Chinese tyres on them (on when I bought). Previous owner put them on new to pass NCT/MOT, so fresh tyres. Both were appallingly bad, no braking, poor control, sideways etc. This isnt some "tyre snobbery", they are simply bad products as they are made in market with vastly inferior QA, manufacturing and safety standards and requirements than EU and US. I dont think it would be impossible for them to make a great tyre, I think they simply have not done this as they have no interest in "the best" they want to sell "the most".

In my case, I replaced brand new Chinese (Tringles were 1 set, cant recall the other) with some 4year old Euro tyres and it was like I changed season within a day.

Vertakill · 16-03-2012 3:28pm

Don't feed the troll.
The guys clearly unwilling to have his opinion challenged because we must be 'conforming' or being brainwashed to possibly think that piece of crap cheap tyres are as bad as everyone makes them out to be.

I had some badly worn Toyo Proxies on the rear of my 350Z last year that failed the NCT, but since I was selling it, I went and bought some new tyres and didn't want to spend too much money on them so I bought some complete sh!te yokes, literally the cheapest I could find (don't worry, I informed the buyer!) that would get through the NCT.

Anyways, the next few weeks of driving the car were a ****!ng nightmare.
The back of the car literally could not get grip at all. It was like the tyres were made of literally the hardest compound of rubber known to man.
They would've lasted about 30k miles I reckon (29k more than the car and driver) because there was absolutely no give or grip in them whatsoever so they didn't wear at all - was like the tyres on those toy cars that are made of 100% plastic that just skate all over the place. Lethal...

langdang · 16-03-2012 3:32pm

What Vertakill said

Vertakill wrote: »

Anyways, the next few weeks of driving the car were a ****!ng nightmare.
The back of the car literally could not get grip at all. It was like the tyres were made of literally the hardest compound of rubber known to man.
They would've lasted about 30k miles I reckon (29k more than the car and driver) because there was absolutely no give or grip in them whatsoever so they didn't wear at all - was like the tyres on those toy cars that are made of 100% plastic that just skate all over the place. Lethal...

What some people will take from that, no matter what you tell them

Vertakill wrote: »

Anyways, the next few weeks of driving the car were a ****!ng nightmare.
The back of the car literally could not get grip at all. It was like the tyres were made of literally the hardest compound of rubber known to man.
They would've lasted about 30k miles I reckon (29k more than the car and driver) because there was absolutely no give or grip in them whatsoever so they didn't wear at all - was like the tyres on those toy cars that are made of 100% plastic that just skate all over the place. BRILLUNT!...

Indricotherium · 16-03-2012 3:40pm

Vertakill wrote: »

Don't feed the troll.
The guys clearly unwilling to have his opinion challenged because we must be 'conforming' or being brainwashed to possibly think that piece of crap cheap tyres are as bad as everyone makes them out to be.

I had some badly worn Toyo Proxies on the rear of my 350Z last year that failed the NCT, but since I was selling it, I went and bought some new tyres and didn't want to spend too much money on them so I bought some complete sh!te yokes, literally the cheapest I could find (don't worry, I informed the buyer!) that would get through the NCT.

Anyways, the next few weeks of driving the car were a ****!ng nightmare.
The back of the car literally could not get grip at all. It was like the tyres were made of literally the hardest compound of rubber known to man.
They would've lasted about 30k miles I reckon (29k more than the car and driver) because there was absolutely no give or grip in them whatsoever so they didn't wear at all - was like the tyres on those toy cars that are made of 100% plastic that just skate all over the place. Lethal...

I am 100% not trolling and I think if you need to preface your contribution with an accusation about my attitude it speaks about the strength of your own argument.

I have noticed that the majority of cars driving around seem to be on tyres that are consistently declared "lethal, ditch seekers, death traps etc etc etc" on this forum and I don't notice an awful lot of cars skittering around the place like its an icy December evening.

From my own personal experience of driving on these tyres and other branded ones there is little or no difference when you drive at a reasonable speed to suit the conditions on a given day/road.

Any evidence to the contrary given in the above thread is either personal experience most of which I can find some gap of reasoning in or else a video of a polo jamming on from 70 miles an hour on rain a soaked, almost flooded road. That is not a situation I will ever be in as I despise polos (car and mint) and I would not drive 70 miles an hour on a flooded or even a significantly wet road.

Vertakill · 16-03-2012 3:48pm

Indricotherium wrote: »

I am 100% not trolling and I think if you need to preface your contribution with an accusation about my attitude it speaks about the strength of your own argument.

I have noticed that the majority of cars driving around seem to be on tyres that are consistently declared "lethal, ditch seekers, death traps etc etc etc" on this forum and I don't notice an awful lot of cars skittering around the place like its an icy December evening.

From my own personal experience of driving on these tyres and other branded ones there is little or no difference when you drive at a reasonable speed to suit the conditions on a given day/road.

Any evidence to the contrary given in the above thread is either personal experience most of which I can find some gap of reasoning in or else a video of a polo jamming on from 70 miles an hour on rain a soaked, almost flooded road. That is not a situation I will ever be in as I despise polos (car and mint) and I would not drive 70 miles an hour on a flooded or even a significantly wet road.

Nothing to do with my argument actually... because there is no argument at all, the facts are fairly plain for everyone to see.

That's why I think you're trolling because we've gone 5 pages now with you not budging even though you haven't given an inch.

Go out and buy some and go drive a little aggressively along a back road in the wet. You've been warned enough.

Driving along the M50 in a straight line does not constitute a tyre test. Although if someone slammed on in front of you on a good set of tyres while you were on your Chinese ones, you'd end up inside their boot.

keithclancy · 16-03-2012 3:51pm

Indricotherium wrote: »

I am 100% not trolling and I think if you need to preface your contribution with an accusation about my attitude it speaks about the strength of your own argument.

I have noticed that the majority of cars driving around seem to be on tyres that are consistently declared "lethal, ditch seekers, death traps etc etc etc" on this forum and I don't notice an awful lot of cars skittering around the place like its an icy December evening.

From my own personal experience of driving on these tyres and other branded ones there is little or no difference when you drive at a reasonable speed to suit the conditions on a given day/road.

Any evidence to the contrary given in the above thread is either personal experience most of which I can find some gap of reasoning in or else a video of a polo jamming on from 70 miles an hour on rain a soaked, almost flooded road. That is not a situation I will ever be in as I despise polos (car and mint) and I would not drive 70 miles an hour on a flooded or even a significantly wet road.

Sure take out the Airbags and seatbelts too, that'll save a bit of fuel. You hardly ever need those.

When your replacing the brake discs just stick on smaller ones, far cheaper and if you drive more slowly you wont need to stop as quickly.

Funny, how your stating something based on personal experience and then giving out about personal experience in the next paragraph.

Why are you even here if your convinced that imported budget tyres offer the same level of safety as well known branded european tyres ?

Indricotherium · 16-03-2012 3:57pm

keithclancy wrote: »

Indricotherium wrote: »

I am 100% not trolling and I think if you need to preface your contribution with an accusation about my attitude it speaks about the strength of your own argument.

I have noticed that the majority of cars driving around seem to be on tyres that are consistently declared "lethal, ditch seekers, death traps etc etc etc" on this forum and I don't notice an awful lot of cars skittering around the place like its an icy December evening.

From my own personal experience of driving on these tyres and other branded ones there is little or no difference when you drive at a reasonable speed to suit the conditions on a given day/road.

Any evidence to the contrary given in the above thread is either personal experience most of which I can find some gap of reasoning in or else a video of a polo jamming on from 70 miles an hour on rain a soaked, almost flooded road. That is not a situation I will ever be in as I despise polos (car and mint) and I would not drive 70 miles an hour on a flooded or even a significantly wet road.

Sure take out the Airbags and seatbelts too, that'll save a bit of fuel. You hardly ever need those.

When your replacing the brake discs just stick on smaller ones, far cheaper and if you drive more slowly you wont need to stop as quickly.

Funny, how your stating something based on personal experience and then giving out about personal experience in the next paragraph.

Why are you even here if your convinced that imported budget tyres offer the same level of safety as well known branded european tyres ?

I'm here to see I there is any rational reason to change my conviction and I've not really found one.

I will admit that the absolute cheapest of cheap tyres probably are not worth the economy, but I've not seen anything here to convince me into the top premium tyres that seem to be in vogue with the motoring fans on this forum.

I don't accept that every non premium tyre is dangerous.

keithclancy · 16-03-2012 4:03pm

Indricotherium wrote: »

I'm here to see I there is any rational reason to change my conviction and I've not really found one.

I will admit that the absolute cheapest of cheap tyres probably are not worth the economy, but I've not seen anything here to convince me into the top premium tyres that seem to be in vogue with the motoring fans on this forum.

I don't accept that every non premium tyre is dangerous.

Well in the tyre area its usually anything named like:
Yimmyongs, Goodspeed, Goodroad, Supertrack, Linglongs etc = Sh1te.

I wouldn't accept that every budget tyre from China is of the same repeat quality either. Its a bit of a lottery of which you lose most of the time.

Myself I go off the reviews.

djimi · 16-03-2012 4:22pm

Indricotherium wrote: »

I'm here to see I there is any rational reason to change my conviction and I've not really found one.

I will admit that the absolute cheapest of cheap tyres probably are not worth the economy, but I've not seen anything here to convince me into the top premium tyres that seem to be in vogue with the motoring fans on this forum.

I don't accept that every non premium tyre is dangerous.

You have been given three pages of people saying (mostly from personal experience) that the cheaper tires are inferior to the more expensive brands, and that some of the cheaper tires are downright dangerous. If you choose to ignore this then fair enough, but I really dont see the point in starting a thread like this if you dont want to hear what people have to say.

The more expensive tires are a better tire; this is fact, not opinion. They have shorter braking distances, better grip and handle more extreme weather better than cheaper tires. Whether or not you choose to spend the extra money is up to you; as you say the cheapest tires all pass the safety standards, so if youre happy with that then fair play.

Tea 1000 · 16-03-2012 4:52pm

Indricotherium wrote: »

I'm here to see I there is any rational reason to change my conviction and I've not really found one.

There is a word for the type of attitude that is offered much logical discussion and explanation and still refutes it... it's called "ignorance".

Indricotherium wrote: »

I will admit that the absolute cheapest of cheap tyres probably are not worth the economy, but I've not seen anything here to convince me into the top premium tyres that seem to be in vogue with the motoring fans on this forum.

I don't accept that every non premium tyre is dangerous.

Again, we're not saying that you have to spend massive money. If a Linglong piece of crap is about €50 for a given size, then going to €60 will get you a Semperit or Hankook or something similar that will be worlds apart. You may even find the Linglong for €45, but it's still crap and false economy.
Your argument would hold much more water if you were arguing that a Kumho tyre for €65 is just as good as a Michelin for €95. In fact, there'd be a good discussion around the fact that you may well be right. The Kumho might even be better. But drop below a certain level, and it's like falling off a cliff in terms of performance.

Cheap Chinese ditch finders

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