Garda Killer takes a hike, from an open prison!

MagicSean · 16-03-2012 07:45AM

Ellis Dee wrote: »

Wasn't it in Donegal that he killed the Garda?

I'm surprised they go so easy on cop-killers up there. Just look at the sentences handed out to those Donegal Gardai who planted evidence and coerced witnesses to frame innocent people and had Mr. McBrearty stuck in jail for years, ruined his business and broke up his family. Truly exemplary sentences those!

Oh, wait ---:rolleyes:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_McBrearty,_Sr.

Robbie was 16 when the mcbrearty saga happened. Exactly what relevance has it to his murder? You give trolling a bad name.

Ellis Dee · 16-03-2012 08:16AM

MagicSean wrote: »

Robbie was 16 when the mcbrearty saga happened. Exactly what relevance has it to his murder? You give trolling a bad name.

You have no right to accuse me of trolling, which is against the rules of the forum. I did not imply any connection between the deceased Garda and the crimes committed by other members of the force. If you read my comment again, you will see that the point I am making is that some members of the Gardai in Donegal have committed grave crimes and yet escaped meaningful punishment. That in entirely consistent with my often-expressed view that the rule of law should apply to all, and especially to persons who exercise public power and abuse it.:rolleyes:

I wanted to make that point in contrast to the Daily Mailish demands for ultra-severe punishment being made in this thread. As it happens, I do not believe that the punishment for killing or injuring a Garda should be more or less lenient than when the victim is just an ordinary citizen. Nor should indignation at apparently lenient sentences be reserved for the likes of McDermott; he seems to me to be a bit of a loser anyway and will soon be caught. The Gardai who framed people will still be laughing up their sleeves.:) Or maybe you would prefer that no one mentioned matters like that?

If you feel incapable of rational argument and want to come across rather like a blustering Garda bully and bellow insults and false allegations at someone whose views do not accord with your own, then knock yourself out.:D

deadwood · 16-03-2012 09:57AM

Ellis Dee wrote: »

You have no right to accuse me of trolling, which is against the rules of the forum. I did not imply any connection between the deceased Garda and the crimes committed by other members of the force. If you read my comment again, you will see that the point I am making is that some members of the Gardai in Donegal have committed grave crimes and yet escaped meaningful punishment. That in entirely consistent with my often-expressed view that the rule of law should apply to all, and especially to persons who exercise public power and abuse it.:rolleyes:

I wanted to make that point in contrast to the Daily Mailish demands for ultra-severe punishment being made in this thread. As it happens, I do not believe that the punishment for killing or injuring a Garda should be more or less lenient than when the victim is just an ordinary citizen. Nor should indignation at apparently lenient sentences be reserved for the likes of McDermott; he seems to me to be a bit of a loser anyway and will soon be caught. The Gardai who framed people will still be laughing up their sleeves.:) Or maybe you would prefer that no one mentioned matters like that?

If you feel incapable of rational argument and want to come across rather like a blustering Garda bully and bellow insults and false allegations at someone whose views do not accord with your own, then knock yourself out.:D

You made the connection.
The only thing these cases have in common is Donegal. Nothing else.

As for sentencing in relation to killing a Garda, it's seen as an attack on the state - an unarmed policeman (which was as rare when the state was founded as it is now) acting on your behalf with your consent.

It was only a matter of time before somebody shoe-horned Donegal Garda Corruption into this (and every other Garda thread).
Now, bring on Mayo, Abbeylara, etc., etc. Not one original thought there.

A0 · 16-03-2012 10:03AM

Cop killer should have been killed (eye for an eye). But it's not yet like that in our Winnie-the-Pooh world.

Pataman · 16-03-2012 10:38AM

steddyeddy wrote: »

Please tell me the garlic swindler isnt at large?

No he is probably locked up in soliary in Portlaoise, while this tosser is free to walk around.

seamus · 16-03-2012 10:48AM

With any luck this guy will be found...

...face-down in a ditch

listermint · 16-03-2012 10:51AM

Ellis Dee wrote: »

You have no right to accuse me of trolling, which is against the rules of the forum. I did not imply any connection between the deceased Garda and the crimes committed by other members of the force. If you read my comment again, you will see that the point I am making is that some members of the Gardai in Donegal have committed grave crimes and yet escaped meaningful punishment. That in entirely consistent with my often-expressed view that the rule of law should apply to all, and especially to persons who exercise public power and abuse it.:rolleyes:

I wanted to make that point in contrast to the Daily Mailish demands for ultra-severe punishment being made in this thread. As it happens, I do not believe that the punishment for killing or injuring a Garda should be more or less lenient than when the victim is just an ordinary citizen. Nor should indignation at apparently lenient sentences be reserved for the likes of McDermott; he seems to me to be a bit of a loser anyway and will soon be caught. The Gardai who framed people will still be laughing up their sleeves.:) Or maybe you would prefer that no one mentioned matters like that?

If you feel incapable of rational argument and want to come across rather like a blustering Garda bully and bellow insults and false allegations at someone whose views do not accord with your own, then knock yourself out.:D

There is ZERO connection to this case, so all the smileys in the world wont fix your ridiculous post.

It reeks of effort...

Plazaman · 16-03-2012 10:52AM

MagicSean wrote: »

Robbie was 16 when the mcbrearty saga happened. Exactly what relevance has it to his murder? You give trolling a bad name.

Gary Mc Loughlin was the Guard that was killed by Mc Dermott. You're thinking of Gda Robert Mc Callion, different incident but similar circumstances. Both tragedies of the highest order and murders by lowlife scum who are mollycoddled by the state.

I fully understand the anger of the Guard quoted in todays Indo

"I am so angry I can hardly begin to speak," said one senior garda when told.

"This is not just the fact Gda McLoughlin died.

"It is the fact that McDermott killed anyone at all and is sent to this holiday camp to serve his sentence. McDermott is a serial criminal who will offend again."

Kerrydude1981 · 16-03-2012 10:53AM

A0 wrote: »

Cop killer should have been killed (eye for an eye). But it's not yet like that in our Winnie-the-Pooh world.

I agree 100% the laws in this country suit the criminals,if this fella killed a cop in any other country he would be shot and be now pushing up daisys and no one would bat an eyelid,but if that happened here there would be investigations after investigations and it would end up with the gardai in the wrong.

Run_to_da_hills · 16-03-2012 10:54AM

With a bit of luck this idiot will wrap himself around a lamp post and get a taste of his own medicine before he harms someone else.

pickarooney · 16-03-2012 10:56AM

seamus wrote: »

With any luck this guy will be found...

...face-down in a ditch

I agree. Bog-snorkelling holidays should be a part of every rehabilitation program.

Cee-Jay-Cee · 16-03-2012 10:58AM

batistuta9 wrote: »

how do you know i don't know him or people know/believe that you know him(personally) it's a pointless thing to say online tbh just look's like your trying to back up your story

If you knew him you would have been a bit more informed in your earlier replies so i assumed you didnt know him.

As for me knowing him, you have to take my word for it, He's from raphoe, i'm from not too far away from there, i know quite a few of his friends (now ex-friends) very very well, 2 of them were at my wedding. I know him and whats he's like.

Think_then_talk · 16-03-2012 11:04AM

Pure madness, this person could do the same again. It brings to mind an other sick killer http://www.independent.ie/opinion/analysis/infamous-double-killer-gallagher-back-in-ireland-488423.html Who the state let walk free.:mad:

Monty Burnz · 16-03-2012 11:08AM

91 convictions, and then he kills someone. How many crimes did he commit to be caught and convicted 91 times? Throw away the key after 10, ffs.

rgmmg · 16-03-2012 11:19AM

cocoshovel wrote: »

As if to confirm that he is even more of a thick headed scumbag the filthy coward does a runner. Probably bawling his eyes out in some bush.
Hope he rots.

Or jerking off in a bush while watching the garda trainees parade around the yard in Templemore thinking "mmm, fresh meat/bacon"

the purple tin · 16-03-2012 11:41AM

Who is it exactly that decides where a prisoner goes to serve out their sentence?
Whichever idiot chose to send him to an open prison should be feeling a wee bit nervous around about now.

Pataman · 16-03-2012 11:47AM

the purple tin wrote: »

Who is it exactly that decides where a prisoner goes to serve out their sentence?
Whichever idiot chose to send him to an open prison should be feeling a wee bit nervous around about now.

Probably not. Just another faceless/nameless bureaucrat who will suffer no repurcussions from this stupid decision.

donegal_road · 16-03-2012 11:49AM

where is the garlic man serving his 6 years?

AudreyHepburn · 16-03-2012 11:51AM

Only in Ireland could have 91 convictions, be banned from driving for twenty years, kill a Garda and get only 7 years in an open prison.

If this were the States he'd be facing life behind bars, if not the Death Penalty.

I don't blame the courts or the police though, it's the way the law works here that's the problem.

forfuxsake · 16-03-2012 12:12PM

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

Only in Ireland could have 91 convictions, be banned from driving for twenty years, kill a Garda and get only 7 years in an open prison.

If this were the States he'd be facing life behind bars, if not the Death Penalty.

I don't blame the courts or the police though, it's the way the law works here that's the problem.

which US state has the death penalty for manslaughter, or traffic offences,? my money is on Texas.

AudreyHepburn · 16-03-2012 12:22PM

forfuxsake wrote: »

which US state has the death penalty for manslaughter, or traffic offences,? my money is on Texas.

You do know I meant the DP for killing a Police Officer don't you?

the purple tin · 16-03-2012 12:28PM

forfuxsake wrote: »

which US state has the death penalty for manslaughter, or traffic offences,? my money is on Texas.

You don't mess with Texas:P.

With persistent offender laws in the US there's no way in hell he could have racked up 91 offences!
If someone keeps coming before the court and getting charged again and again, they will receive a longer sentence each time.
He would have been serving a decent stretch after several convictions.

forfuxsake · 16-03-2012 12:30PM

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

You do know I meant the DP for killing a Police Officer don't you?

No US state has the death penalty for manslaughter, even if they killed a police officer. So to answer your question if this was one of the states that employs the death penalty, then no he would not be facing it. He would be facing a lengthy spell in prison

Monty Burnz · 16-03-2012 12:33PM

forfuxsake wrote: »

No US state has the death penalty for manslaughter, even if they killed a police officer. So to answer your question if this was one of the states that employs the death penalty, then no he would not be facing it. He would be facing a lengthy spell in prison

You are begging the question - would he have been found guilty of manslaughter or murder in the US?

Monty Burnz · 16-03-2012 12:37PM

I had to laugh at this quote:

Under Garda questioning McDermott said he wished he could turn back the clock on the entire incident.

“I’m having nightmares and I feel sorry for Gary’s family and friends – I wish it hadn’t happened. It was just a freak accident."

Yes, a freak accident. Who could know that there was any risk involved in fleeing from the police at a hundred miles an hour on public roads while drunk, disqualified and uninsured? :rolleyes:

ballinteerguy · 16-03-2012 12:37PM

We got him back !

http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0316/mcdermottm.html

Dickerty · 16-03-2012 12:39PM

Wonderbar!

PLEASE PLEASE tell me he will get an extension on his sentance and serve it in a REAL prison...!

forfuxsake · 16-03-2012 12:40PM

Monty Burnz wrote: »

You are begging the question - would he have been found guilty of manslaughter or murder in the US?

Realistically it would depend on a number of factors and it is difficult to work out.

If he was black and it was Mississippi then it highly likely that he would have been convicted of murder, but still unlikely that he would have been given the death penalty as it cannot be 100% certain that his intention was to kill.

If he was a young rich white guy who killed a black cop in the same circumstances then he may escape with a manslaughter conviction and a 15 year sentence.

He would not have got 7 years in an open prison no matter what.

LittleBook · 16-03-2012 12:42PM

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Yes, a freak accident. Who could know that there was any risk involved in fleeing from the police at a hundred miles an hour on public roads while drunk, disqualified and uninsured? :rolleyes:

Ironically, the fact that he was twice over the legal drink-driving limit probably helped him in that murder would have been too difficult to prove.

forfuxsake · 16-03-2012 12:43PM

Dickerty wrote: »

Wonderbar!

PLEASE PLEASE tell me he will get an extension on his sentance and serve it in a REAL prison...!

He was extremely fortunate to have been given a chance to undergo rehabilitation in an open prison. He blew it. Anything less than a longer sentence in a proper prison would constitute a grave miscarriage of justice and undermine the justice system.]

But we will see.

Garda Killer takes a hike, from an open prison!

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