Ah I feel relief.....

Sunnyisland · 15-03-2012 10:48PM

The_Thing wrote: »

I always feel ashamed to be Irish when I see things like that happen to someone who has come to this country to make a better life for themselves.

The Polish people I know are friendly and hard working.

No need to be ashamed to be Irish, he was not representing Ireland.

up for anything · 15-03-2012 10:50PM

af_thefragile wrote: »

Reading the title I thought this thread was gonna be about finally being able to pee after holding it in uncomfortably for hours in a boring tutorial or meeting or a bus journey...

There was funny thread here like that a while back. Somebody on a bus to Donegal. :pac:

MungBean · 15-03-2012 11:06PM

benway wrote: »

Possibly, but it's unlikely any Minister for Justice will take the political risk of being seen to have released him, for as long as people remember this case - and what are the chances of him being a model prisoner if he's the kind of psycho who could do that to some random guy who's just on his way to work?

Its the parole boards definition of model prisoner that would worry me. Like I said at 21 he cant have the record that an older piece of scum would have amassed. So if he's reviewed at 31 and he hasnt killed anyone inside I wouldnt be surprised to see him treated leniently.

There was bigger psycho than him was let out for Christmas holidays while serving 5 years for doing pretty much the same thing. Only difference is the guy didnt die, just ended up in a coma with extensive brain damage purely because a Garda was quick to the scene. If he was alone like that Polish guy he'd be dead. Last I heard he was arrested in prison when he went back in connection with a murder while he was out for crimbo. Same type of animal and I dont doubt he'll get all the breaks the rest of them get.

I have zero faith in this little bastard being kept in prison once his mandatory time is served.

Teyla Emmagan · 15-03-2012 11:10PM

Terribly sad case. I feel so sorry for that Polish guy's family. He seemed to be a really decent lad. Awful that anyone would have their life ended so brutally, by a bunch of absolute thugs.

10 years is really not enough.

The_Thing · 15-03-2012 11:11PM

Dudess wrote: »

Nah feck feeling ashamed to be Irish. I get what you mean, but that kind of utter rat can be found anywhere and did what he did due to being a vicious thug, not being Irish.

realies wrote: »

No need to be ashamed to be Irish, he was not representing Ireland.

In hindsight I think I really meant: ashamed it could happen in Ireland

benway · 15-03-2012 11:20PM

MungBean wrote: »

while serving 5 years

Five years isn't a life sentence.

MungBean wrote: »

I have zero faith in this little bastard being kept in prison once his mandatory time is served.

His mandatory time is life. It's at the discretion of the Minister, on the recommendation of the Parole Board, whether to release him. The Minister is under no obligation to sign off on his release if he doesn't want to. And what politician is going to take the risk of being associated with freeing someone like that? A similar case pretty much destroyed Michael Dukakis.

The average served by prisoners who received a recommendation from the Parole Board from 2004-2008 is over 17 years, and even at that the Minister still has a veto.

I doubt very much whether this guy is going to see the outside of a prison by the time he's fifty.

af_thefragile · 15-03-2012 11:25PM

up for anything wrote: »

There was funny thread here like that a while back. Somebody on a bus to Donegal. :pac:

I was stuck in a bus on a couple of occasions in that dreaded state... On one occasion had to end up getting off the bus and peeing in a bottle, once by the side of the road in a field...

Damn my small bladder!! :mad:

V4 · 15-03-2012 11:27PM

Absolute vile scumbags, I'm sure mammy and daddy will think their sentences will be very harsh. Lock up there parents as well.

The King of Moo · 15-03-2012 11:31PM

V4 wrote: »

Absolute vile scumbags, I'm sure mammy and daddy will think their sentences will be very harsh. Lock up there parents as well.

Are you serious?

What would that achieve, and for which crimes should this apply?

cloptrop · 15-03-2012 11:33PM

The King of Moo wrote: »

Are you serious?

What would that achieve, and for which crimes should this apply?

If you knew the family you would have no problem with what he said.

The King of Moo · 15-03-2012 11:34PM

cloptrop wrote: »

If you knew the family you would have no problem with what he said.

What crimes has the state found the rest of the family guilty of?

MungBean · 15-03-2012 11:39PM

benway wrote: »

Five years isn't a life sentence.

I never said it was life. But thats what the other guy was serving for a similar act as far as behaviour goes. He had a record as long as your leg, in and out of prison constantly for violent crimes and he was seen as a good candidate for christmas release. Which is why I'd fall on the side of this other guy not being a sufficient troublemaker in prison for the ten years to warrant being kept any longer.

His mandatory time is life. It's at the discretion of the Minister, on the recommendation of the Parole Board, whether to release him. The Minister is under no obligation to sign off on his release if he doesn't want to. And what politician is going to take the risk of being associated with freeing someone like that? A similar case pretty much destroyed Michael Dukakis.

So we are basing this on a parole board which have done little to garner confidence in their dealings with the scum that infect this country and the decision of a politician. You can see why I'm not confident right ?

The average served by prisoners who received a recommendation from the Parole Board from 2004-2008 is over 17 years, and even at that the Minister still has a veto.

I doubt very much whether this guy is going to see the outside of a prison by the time he's fifty.

Perhaps not, you seem to know what your talking about so I wont disagree with you and I hope your right. Still be doubtful though considering he's so young.

MungBean · 15-03-2012 11:43PM

The King of Moo wrote: »

What crimes has the state found the rest of the family guilty of?

I hear what your saying, very clever

. We need to introduce a law that these fcukers can be done for ! New law whereby parents of scummers can be jailed based on the crimes on their manky offspring.

We also need to start neutering these fcukers when they are convicted of violent crimes. All well and good to jail them for a few years but when they get out and their sprogs come of age we are back to square one.

cloptrop · 15-03-2012 11:43PM

http://authorsplace.co.uk/niamh-o-connor/blog/worst-of-times/ .

Doc Ruby · 15-03-2012 11:47PM

danger mouse wrote: »

Does anybody else breed a sigh of relief reading this

Ah spellchecker, we meet again.

cloptrop · 15-03-2012 11:59PM

I think 3 of them were in the paper for beating the granny out of a delivery driver and taking his sat nav last year.

Doc Ruby · 16-03-2012 12:01AM

cloptrop wrote: »

I think 3 of them were in the paper for beating the granny out of a delivery driver and taking his sat nav last year.

Why was the granny in the delivery driver, was she an elderly Thai ladyboy or what.

Babybuff · 16-03-2012 12:20AM

the two gf's could probably do with a lobotomy too

The_Thing · 16-03-2012 12:25AM

Babybuff wrote: »

the two gf's could probably do with a lobotomy too

Even then they could still breed.

cloptrop · 16-03-2012 12:25AM

They have girlfriends?
Id say its their cousins or sisters or something.

benway · 16-03-2012 12:42AM

MungBean wrote: »

You can see why I'm not confident right ?

Honestly, and don't take this the wrong way - it's not aimed at you in particular, and it's not meant to be an insult or anything - I think that people are so used to thinking that the system is soft - sections of the media wilfully spin it that way - that it's hard to believe that it can come down hard on people. But it can.

People find it difficult to understand that the law treats different crimes differently - murders, manslaughters, a lot of people just think that they're putting a value in years on the victim's life. That's not how it works.

Gangland criminals, arguments that go out of control, crimes of passion - you can see that maybe some of them didn't intend to do the harm that they did - not saying that they wouldn't still need to be punished. Or if they did it intentionally, that it wasn't totally senseless, that there is some hope that they might have some humanity left in them, when they're a few years away from the situation, that some of them aren't totally lost. The point of the system isn't just to punish, it's also to salvage those who can be saved. And the genuinely crazy - a friend's brother was killed by a guy who had lost it completely, but even his family realise that the guy can't be held fully responsible, he's too far gone.

This is different, for me. This is worst of the worst. Attacking a guy like that for no possible reason, killing him just to do it? This is surely why the DPP pressed for murder rather than accept his plea - I've seen a few bad cases, but I'm shocked by this one.

While he's inside, the shrinks will try to get inside his head, and see if there's anything there that can be saved, but I don't see them being any less shocked than I am. Even if he co-operates fully, given what he's done, it'll be twenty years before he gets a recommendation. And I can't see any Minister signing off on his release while people still remember this case, and while he's still in the physical condition to do the same again.

This guy is going to be inside for a long, long time, I'm certain of it.

gurramok · 16-03-2012 12:42AM

benway wrote: »

The average served by prisoners who received a recommendation from the Parole Board from 2004-2008 is over 17 years, and even at that the Minister still has a veto.

I doubt very much whether this guy is going to see the outside of a prison by the time he's fifty.

Jayzus, you have one hell of a faith in the justice system.

So this fella jailed at age 21 will be jailed for 29 years? Somehow I just don't believe it will reach 29, understand?

Babybuff · 16-03-2012 12:43AM

cloptrop wrote: »

They have girlfriends?
Id say its their cousins or sisters or something.

same difference?

benway · 16-03-2012 12:51AM

gurramok wrote: »

Jayzus, you have one hell of a faith in the justice system.

So this fella jailed at age 21 will be jailed for 29 years? Somehow I just don't believe it will reach 29, understand?

Nah, I just have an idea how it works in reality - I honestly think that this guy could easily come close to full term life, for the reasons in my previous post.

I understand that you don't believe he'll spend that long inside, but I don't understand what your reasoning is?

gurramok · 16-03-2012 12:57AM

benway wrote: »

Nah, I just have an idea how it works in reality - I honestly think that this guy could easily come close to full term life, for the reasons in my previous post.

I understand that you don't believe he'll spend that long inside, but I don't understand what your reasoning is?

The record of early release in this country. 29 years is quite unique yes? Some murderers might reach 20 years if we're lucky.

MungBean · 16-03-2012 01:01AM

benway wrote: »

Honestly, and don't take this the wrong way - it's not aimed at you in particular, and it's not meant to be an insult or anything - I think that people are so used to thinking that the system is soft - sections of the media wilfully spin it that way - that it's hard to believe that it can come down hard on people. But it can.

People find it difficult to understand that the law treats different crimes differently - murders, manslaughters, a lot of people just think that they're putting a value in years on the victim's life. That's not how it works.

Gangland criminals, arguments that go out of control, crimes of passion - you can see that maybe some of them didn't intend to do the harm that they did - not saying that they wouldn't still need to be punished. Or if they did it intentionally, that it wasn't totally senseless, that there is some hope that they might have some humanity left in them, when they're a few years away from the situation, that some of them aren't totally lost. The point of the system isn't just to punish, it's also to salvage those who can be saved. And the genuinely crazy - a friend's brother was killed by a guy who had lost it completely, but even his family realise that the guy can't be held fully responsible, he's too far gone.

This is different, for me. This is worst of the worst. Attacking a guy like that for no possible reason, killing him just to do it? This is surely why the DPP pressed for murder rather than accept his plea - I've seen a few bad cases, but I'm shocked by this one.

While he's inside, the shrinks will try to get inside his head, and see if there's anything there that can be saved, but I don't see them being any less shocked than I am. Even if he co-operates fully, given what he's done, it'll be twenty years before he gets a recommendation. And I can't see any Minister signing off on his release while people still remember this case, and while he's still in the physical condition to do the same again.

This guy is going to be inside for a long, long time, I'm certain of it.

No offence taken by that at all, and I understand different crimes have to be treated differently. But I see very little evidence of the system cracking down hard on these types of people who commit these crimes. That guy I spoke about serving 5 for putting someone in a coma also attacked him for no other reason than to beat the shít of him and stamped on his head until he could stamp no more, its what he has done his entire life. He's life revolves around attacking people and serving time for attacking people. Everyone to a man in this town knew before and and knows it now that he wont stop. He'll do his time get out and put someone else in the hospital, perhaps even kill them. Maybe he killed that guy while out on his Christmas break. Yet he'll stand up in front of the judge every single time and throw out his old sob story and every fcukin judge without fail takes it into account. And even when in prison he can get out on holidays.

The system is a fcukin joke and nothing else so excuse me if I dont have much faith in it.

benway · 16-03-2012 01:03AM

mungbean wrote:

That guy I spoke about serving 5

Who?

gurramok wrote: »

The record of early release in this country. 29 years is quite unique yes? Some murderers might reach 20 years if we're lucky.

Average is 17 years before the parole board makes a recommendation. According to the last board report I saw, the mMinister refused to release two of them, despite the board having recommended them. This case is much worse than average.

Malcolm McArthur served thirty years before phased release, even if there was a political element to his case. The longest that I know of is forty five years. I can honestly see this guy getting close to that mark.

MungBean · 16-03-2012 01:07AM

benway wrote: »

Average is 17 years before the parole board makes a recommendation. According to the last board report I saw, the mMinister refused to release two of them, despite the board having recommended them. This case is much worse than average.

Malcolm McArthur served thirty years before phased release, even if there was a political element to his case. The longest that I know of is forty five years. I can honestly see this guy getting close to that mark.

Ennis (77) has spent 45 years behind bars, much of it at his own request, as he has declined to apply for parole.

Sounds like that was an odd one.

MungBean · 16-03-2012 01:07AM

benway wrote: »

Who?

This disgusting little bastard

benway · 16-03-2012 01:13AM

MungBean wrote: »

Sounds like that was an odd one.

Apparently he got institutionalised and couldn't handle life on the outside, did his first 20 years back in the days before temporary release and treatment programmes,

The other longest serving are Evans and Shaw, well over thirty years at this stage, not sure if they're both still alive:

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/murderous-sex-predator-in-coma-on-life-support-1591625.html

Ah I feel relief.....

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