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It's not just the pyjama wearers....GARDAI receive RENT ALLOWANCE

  • 14-03-2012 07:31PM
    #1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,366 ✭✭✭


    Just reading this report about benchmarking in 2007

    Came across this little gem


    "Allowances payable to public service grades fall into two broad categories. Some allowances are paid to all members of a grade/rank as part of their conditions of service. Examples of such payments are the rent allowance for members of the Garda Sıochana and prison officer grades, the
    military service allowance for members of the defence forces and a qualification allowance for teachers"

    Can anyone clarify if Gardai and prison officers, already on handsome salaries and extra allowances for working non-sociable hours etc.........

    Recieve Rent Allowance...WTF?:eek:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 57,077 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Very old news. Read it here before.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,366 ✭✭✭micropig


    Very old news. Read it here before.

    I'll try another search, do you know if it was done away with since?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,135 ✭✭✭TheVoodoo


    micropig wrote: »
    Just reading this report about benchmarking in 2007

    Came across this little gem


    "Allowances payable to public service grades fall into two broad categories. Some allowances are paid to all members of a grade/rank as part of their conditions of service. Examples of such payments are the rent allowance for members of the Garda Sıochana and prison officer grades, the
    military service allowance for members of the defence forces and a qualification allowance for teachers"

    Can anyone clarify if Gardai and prison officers, already on handsome salaries and extra allowances for working non-sociable hours etc.........

    Recieve Rent Allowance...WTF?:eek:


    With reference to Gardai, let them have it. They earn nowhere near enough for being spat and pissed on by the dregs of society. I wouldn't call their salary handsome for the work that is done. I have zero problem whatsoever with Gardai receiving extra allowances/.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 137 ✭✭TreesAreCrowd


    Would that be because they can be shipped basically anywhere in the country and may have a "home" elsewhere to support financially?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,366 ✭✭✭micropig


    TheVoodoo wrote: »
    With reference to Gardai, let them have it. They earn nowhere near enough for being spat and pissed on by the dregs of society. I wouldn't call their salary handsome for the work that is done. I have zero problem whatsoever with Gardai receiving extra allowances/.

    I have no problem with them getting an allowance for working unsociable hours but rent is an expense everyone has?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 24,608 ✭✭✭✭arybvtcw0eolkf


    TheVoodoo wrote: »
    With reference to Gardai, let them have it. They earn nowhere near enough for being spat and pissed on by the dregs of society. I wouldn't call their salary handsome for the work that is done. I have zero problem whatsoever with Gardai receiving extra allowances/.

    I've a few mates who are prison officers and assaults are par for the course with those lads too.

    I don't begrudge those jobs their few quid.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,366 ✭✭✭micropig


    Would that be because they can be shipped basically anywhere in the country and may have a "home" elsewhere to support financially?

    The way it's phrased though suggests that everyone in the grade receives it regardless of whether they are living at home or not...surely it should be more selective?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,631 ✭✭✭✭Hank Scorpio


    Got no problem with it, tough auld job


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,366 ✭✭✭micropig


    Yes Gardai have a good basic wage & allowances for a lot of other things on top of that, this allowance is about €4,100 / year



    Maybe Brenda Howlin will do away with it, hopefully[/URL] Thursday, January 19, 2012

    Allowances not made for guards and teachers in savings ideas

    A call by Minister for Public Expenditure Brendan Howlin for submissions from the public on how the State could save money has yielded over 1,000 responses – along with a few unorthodox ideas.

    As well as the public, many nurses, gardaí and teachers sent in ideas on how to tackle mismanagement and inefficiency across the public sector.

    One garda commented that 20 per cent of the force did little or nothing and should not receive pay increments. Instead, they should be paid on the basis of performance.

    Another suggested members of the force on motorbikes could be issued with scooter-type motorbikes in urban areas, similar to those used in the Spanish police force.

    “They give the appearance of a larger motorbike when with all necessary police equipment, but have quite low maintenance costs,” the garda said.

    One contributor suggested axing lucrative additional pay for gardaí, such as a Gaeltacht allowances, rent allowance, and boot and footwear allowances.

    “There is no justification in paying a 7.5 per cent allowance to Gaeltacht-based gardaí. Do Polish/Chinese/German gardaí get paid extra? I don’t think so.”


    Teachers and the education sector were also the subject of a large volume of submissions.

    One contributor said the estimated 57,000 teachers at primary and secondary level should be charged for parking on school grounds.

    “If each of them paid €60 a month over nine months, it would result in an income of just under €3.5 million per month,” the writer suggested.

    The same person pointed out that they paid €60 a month for parking because they lived 20 miles from work and had no public transport.

    Another said teachers should not be paid extra for correcting exam papers during the summer.

    “It should be part of their working year. They are already overpaid and their holidays are far too long.”

    In the field of security, one member of the public pointed out that the prison system was a very expensive solution for lesser crimes.

    “Instead of locking up individuals for petty crime such as non-payment of TV licences, dress them in a green jumpsuit and give them hours of community service such as assisting in old people’s homes, sweeping streets, etc.”

    The names of those who submitted cost-saving ideas have been blacked out by the Department of Public Expenditure to protect their identities.

    A spokeswoman for Mr Howlin said all suggestions had been considered by relevant departments as part of its comprehensive spending review.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,366 ✭✭✭micropig


    The Garda Representative Association has this to say on the bottom of the page outlining the 2010 budget cuts


    "Government felt confident in making these cuts having used a willing media in what could be described as a hate campaign against public servants, their pay, conditions and pensions."


    ??:D...Is it trying to brain wash them?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,673 ✭✭✭AudreyHepburn


    I say let them have their perks. They do a seriously tough job, one I'd wager most of those who critise them wouldn't have the guts to do.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,822 ✭✭✭Mickey H


    TheVoodoo wrote: »
    With reference to Gardai, let them have it. They earn nowhere near enough for being spat and pissed on by the dregs of society. I wouldn't call their salary handsome for the work that is done. I have zero problem whatsoever with Gardai receiving extra allowances/.

    Actually +1 on this. It's not an easy job alot of the time in fairness.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,366 ✭✭✭micropig


    It's a pity though there's not enough money in the budget to keep all these stations running
    http://www.agsi.ie/members/members_news#nonpayment1. Ah well:(, Once they have their great salaries


    The association has only now been informed by AC HRM of the following information relating to the closure of some Garda stations and the reduced opening hours of others.

    ...

    Ten Dublin stations will operate during the day and close at night:
    1. Stepaside
    2. Cabinteely
    3. Kill O’Grange
    4. Sundrive Road
    5. Terenure
    6. Donnybrook
    7. Cabra
    8. Malahide
    9. Santry
    10. Howth

    Two district HQ stations will amalgamate:

    • Laytown with Ashbourne
    • Abbeyleix with Partlaoise

    The following stations will CLOSE altogether:
    Dublin

    • Dalkey
    • Harcourt Terrace
    • Rush
    • Whitehall

    Sligo / Leitrim

    • Bunanadden
    • Drumkeerin
    • Kiltyclogher

    Clare:

    • Carrigaholt

    Galway
    • Corrandulla

    Mayo

    • Glenisland
    • Tourmakeady
    • Ballycroy
    • Mulrany

    Donegal

    • Culdaff
    • Doochary
    • Dunkineely

    Roscommon

    • Lough Glynn
    • Tarmonbarry
    • Cootehall

    Limerick

    • Shanagolden
    • Doon

    Laois
    • Geashill

    Cork North
    • Glenville

    Cork West
    • Castletownsend
    • Ballygorteen
    • Knocknaree
    • Ballyfeard
    • Goleen
    • Inchigeala

    Tipperary

    • Ballinderry
    • Ballinure

    Wexford

    • Ballywilliam
    • Baldwinstown

    Kerry

    • Ballylongford
    • Moyvane
    • Clochán

    Cavan/ Monaghan

    • Clontibret
    • Tullyvin
    • Smithboro



    &The garda presence at the Shell refinery project in Mayo has cost just over €14.5m in extra resources over the last six years.


    9 Feb 2012

    At least they know how to spend their money wisely


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,499 ✭✭✭✭DEFTLEFTHAND


    Young guards only a few years on the force are earning peanuts at the moment. There's stories of lads kipping in their cars and at stations.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 34,418 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    micropig wrote: »
    It's a pity though there's not enough money in the budget to keep all these stations running
    . Ah well:(, Once they have their great salaries

    Get over it no one cares that you seem to have a personal gripe with them. They work crap hours dealing with crap situations and deserve the allowances they get.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,565 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    Prison officers work in extremely tough enviroments and so do a lot of gaurds but I would be more happy with my tax funding a revised gaurda service. Theres a lot of improvements to make before I would consider them professional as a whole. Ill add that I am very impressed with some of the young recruits and In my opinion it shouldnt be them that recieve the bulk of the cuts.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,366 ✭✭✭micropig


    hondasam wrote: »
    Get over it no one cares that you seem to have a personal gripe with them. They work crap hours dealing with crap situations and deserve the allowances they get.


    Yes, it's great they can also pay their staff's taxes for them

    GARDA bosses have been forced to raid their annual budget to pay €12.4m to the Revenue Commissioners, after a series of allowances to gardai were wrongly left untaxed.


    Our streets are so safe, I apologise. They didn't have to introduce legislation to allow people to defend themselves in their own home, because the Gardai are so effective:rolleyes:

    They get a lot of other allowances apart from this one, which I have no problem with.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,565 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    hondasam wrote: »
    Get over it no one cares that you seem to have a personal gripe with them. They work crap hours dealing with crap situations and deserve the allowances they get.

    I dont get this loads of people can have a problem with the gaurds without being in trouble with them before. Saying that I dont have a problem with the allowance.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,025 ✭✭✭grindle


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    Prison officers work in extremely tough enviroments and so do a lot of gaurds but I would be more happy with my tax funding a revised gaurda service. Theres a lot of improvements to make before I would consider them professional as a whole. Ill add that I am very impressed with some of the young recruits and In my opinion it shouldnt be them that recieve the bulk of the cuts.

    This.

    Or maybe not. Have the guards in Limerick started doing work yet?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,366 ✭✭✭micropig


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    Prison officers work in extremely tough enviroments and so do a lot of gaurds but I would be more happy with my tax funding a revised gaurda service. Theres a lot of improvements to make before I would consider them professional as a whole. Ill add that I am very impressed with some of the young recruits and In my opinion it shouldnt be them that recieve the bulk of the cuts.


    That's the key, a revised garda service, I'm not sure this is what we are getting though. Gardai have a tough job, but if they should be moving towards community policing, living where they work, getting to know the local community etc, by shutting down all the smaller stations , they are doing the opposite of this and crime will get worse because some areas will never see a garda....

    It's time all these types of allowances are examined/cut altogether. The justice budget has been cut and spending needs to be reigned in. At present the gardai only benefit from these allowances, re-direct the savings made to equipment/stations etc

    steddyeddy wrote: »
    I dont get this loads of people can have a problem with the gaurds without being in trouble with them before. Saying that I dont have a problem with the allowance.


    I have never been in trouble with the gardai and have helped them many times.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,565 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    grindle wrote: »
    This.

    Or maybe not. Have the guards in Limerick started doing work yet?

    The old gardai maybe who got their jobs based on nepotisim are far less professional than the new recruits.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 203 ✭✭dubdamo


    If its such a great job Micropig then join it. Better still, join the prison service and have a go a working on a landing in the Joy or Pats, I,m sure you might get that chip off your shoulder.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,366 ✭✭✭micropig


    dubdamo wrote: »
    If its such a great job Micropig then join it. Better still, join the prison service and have a go a working on a landing in the Joy or Pats, I,m sure you might get that chip off your shoulder.

    Well Garda, your detective skills must be too sharp tonight, or are you not being paid for overtime;) Here's a link to a post a few above yours, where I state it is a tough job


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,565 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    micropig wrote: »
    That's the key, a revised garda service, I'm not sure this is what we are getting though. Gardai have a tough job, but if they should be moving towards community policing, living where they work, getting to know the local community etc, by shutting down all the smaller stations , they are doing the opposite of this and crime will get worse because some areas will never see a garda....

    The service should be completely revised. The nepotisim needs to go, the force needs to investigate child abuse claims (Im surprised I need to say this In a first world country), the attitude towards assaulting people needs to change. The new recruits seem to have very different attitudes to some of the older lot.

    I have never been in trouble with the gardai and have helped them many times.

    As with myself.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,060 ✭✭✭✭Mr. CooL ICE


    micropig wrote: »
    Our streets are so safe, I apologise. They didn't have to introduce legislation to allow people to defend themselves in their own home, because the Gardai are so effective:rolleyes:

    Exactly what point are you trying to make here?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,897 ✭✭✭MagicSean


    Young guards only a few years on the force are earning peanuts at the moment. There's stories of lads kipping in their cars and at stations.

    That's probably more to do with the 8 hour break between shifts.
    micropig wrote: »
    Yes, it's great they can also pay their staff's taxes for them

    GARDA bosses have been forced to raid their annual budget to pay €12.4m to the Revenue Commissioners, after a series of allowances to gardai were wrongly left untaxed.


    Our streets are so safe, I apologise. They didn't have to introduce legislation to allow people to defend themselves in their own home, because the Gardai are so effective:rolleyes:

    They get a lot of other allowances apart from this one, which I have no problem with.

    The government didn't have to introduce legislation to allow people to protect themselves. The defense was already there under common law and they just put it on a statutory footing.

    Most Gardaí only get rent uniform and unsocial hours allowances. These are further broken down into seperate allowances (uniform is seperated into clothing and boot, unsocial hours is broken into night/saturday/sunday).

    And I'll gladly give up my rent allowance when I am allowed work near my home and my family.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,366 ✭✭✭micropig


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    The service should be completely revised. The nepotisim needs to go, the force needs to investigate child abuse claims (Im surprised I need to say this In a first world country), the attitude towards assaulting people needs to change. The new recruits seem to have very different attitudes to some of the older lot.

    I have no doubt the new recruits, will make fine members of AGS, (maybe a bit less heavy handed and more people skills)

    What use is it though, if they are all stationed in large stations, away from whats "going on, on the ground", many rural areas, where a fair bit of crime will be left un - policed. Many of the older police stations had residences attached for the garda to reside in.

    Fear among rural dwellers re being robbed etc is increasing and it is a comfort to people to know that a garda is close at hand and knows them well. Also garda get to know local "ner do wells" etcs. Develop relationships etc. Not all stationed above in the big town, or where ever.





    Exactly what point are you trying to make here?

    take from it what you will


    I have no issue with unsociable hours & uniform allowances


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,533 ✭✭✭Lu Tze


    micropig wrote: »


    I have never been in trouble with the gardai and have helped them many times.

    Jessica Fletcher?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,015 ✭✭✭CreepingDeath


    micropig wrote: »
    Can anyone clarify if Gardai and prison officers, already on handsome salaries and extra allowances for working non-sociable hours etc.........

    Recieve Rent Allowance...WTF?:eek:

    I always was under the impression that the guards couldn't necessarily serve in their own home area/locality. Maybe because they'd be more likely to let off their neighbours/friends or the like.

    So the rent allowance ( note rent allowance, not mortgage allowance ) would seem fair enough.
    In fact I sometimes feel a pang of guilt for earning more in I.T. then frontline guards/nurses/prison officers probably do.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,366 ✭✭✭micropig


    Lu Tze wrote: »
    Jessica Fletcher?




    Would you like to ride with Batman?:D:p


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