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What Enda Says is Best

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  • #32
    TreesAreCrowd
    Closed Accounts Posts: 137 ✭✭TreesAreCrowd


    The "class" with the highest proportion of said people is the poor/working class. Again, whether you want to face that fact or not...I don't particularly care.


  • #33
    Monty Burnz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    wexie wrote: »
    So you're equating poor/working class with uneducated ignorant and moronic....but these aren't unfounded generalisations....
    To be fair, they are generalisations but they do have a foundation. Since when were the Irish underclass considered well educated? Perhaps they are the solution to the shortage of science/IT graduates in this country? An untapped resource...


  • #34
    Bababa2012
    Closed Accounts Posts: 32 ✭Bababa2012


    Monty Burnz wrote: »
    Bababa2012 wrote: »
    When FF were in power FG were in opposition and therefore should have had their eye on the ball and scrutinised every move FF made. This they failed miserably to do.
    Um...where were Sinn Fein during this time that they were neither in government nor in opposition? :confused:

    Never mentioned sinn féin. What are u on about. U trying to make me confused like u are?


  • #35
    stevenmu
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 9,689 Mod ✭✭✭✭stevenmu


    Zebra3 wrote: »
    Well done Kenny, you liar.

    My wages are certainly not paid through these loans (which are not a bailout for Ireland). Not everyone in this country works in the public sector. Not that Kenny would have much understanding of the private sector. :rolleyes:

    Strange the way he mentions the money for guards, teachers and nurses, yet doesn't mention politicans' wages, expenses and pensions. :rolleyes:

    If you're in the public sector, then yes, the EU loans are paying for your wages. You may not have heard but we have an absolutely huge budget deficit. We spend way way more on the public sector (including guards, teachers, nurses etc, not to mention all the social welfare we're so fond of in this country) than we take in in taxes. The difference is made up by loans from the EU. Not everyone in the country works for the public sector, but we all demand the services that it provides (healthcare, education, roads/transport, social welfare, policing amongst many others). If we don't get the loans then we have to make massive cuts in everything, much much bigger cuts than we're making at the moment, and look at how much everybody moans about those already.

    AlmightyCushion wrote: »
    We're adding to our national debt at a crazy rate thanks to the budget deficit. We need to reduce the deficit as much as possible otherwise we'll be overwhelmed with debt. Our GDP to debt ratio is about 100% where as Spain's is much better. Our budget deficit is higher than theirs. They're can handle extra debt if needs be, we can't. We need to stick to our targets if not beat them.
    I agree completely, unfortunately any time cuts are made every single special interest group screams bloody murder about "the most vulnerable people in society". I'm not sure how every single group out there can be "the most vulnerable" though.


  • #36
    TreesAreCrowd
    Closed Accounts Posts: 137 ✭✭TreesAreCrowd


    Monty Burnz wrote: »
    Perhaps they are the solution to the shortage of science/IT graduates in this country? An untapped resource...

    :pac:


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  • #37
    Doc Ruby
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,956 ✭✭✭Doc Ruby


    TreesAreCrowd wrote: »
    The "class" with the highest proportion of said people is the poor/working class.
    Given how quickly Inda's plans are beggaring the country, I can see a surge in SF voters before too long.

    I dunno, I like their brass but their policies are non functional.


  • #38
    Ellis Dee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,512 ✭✭✭Ellis Dee


    Looking at some of the Shinner-bashing by the national cringe brigade on this thread, I can't help wondering whether Kevin Myarse is at a loose end and has opened a few accounts to do some trolling.:):):):)


  • #39
    Bababa2012
    Closed Accounts Posts: 32 ✭Bababa2012


    TreesAreCrowd wrote: »
    Monty Burnz wrote: »
    Um...where were Sinn Fein during this time that they were neither in government nor in opposition? :confused:
    Training in the woods with the lads ;)

    Is a better place to be than like u are....training in ur bedroom(on ur own) with notions of grandeur about ones self!!!


  • #40
    stevenmu
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 9,689 Mod ✭✭✭✭stevenmu


    Monty Burnz wrote: »
    To be fair, they are generalisations but they do have a foundation. Since when were the Irish underclass considered well educated? Perhaps they are the solution to the shortage of science/IT graduates in this country? An untapped resource...
    As somebody who was pretty poor when I was young, but was encouraged by my parents to get an education, worked hard to do so, including working full time in college, and is now making a pretty damn good living in the IT sector, I agree with everything but your sarcasm.


    (that's probably the most commas I've ever managed to get in one sentence :))


  • #41
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    Edna Kenny wrote:
    “So the money to pay the salaries of the Guards, the teachers, the nurses and all of the other people in the country here comes from Europe.”


    “So the €1.25bn to pay the bondholders in Anglo Irish Bank comes from the taxpayers of Ireland.”


    F.O.A.D you spineless cunt


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  • #42
    TreesAreCrowd
    Closed Accounts Posts: 137 ✭✭TreesAreCrowd


    Doc Ruby wrote: »
    Given how quickly Inda's plans are beggaring the country, I can see a surge in SF voters before too long.

    I dunno, I like their brass but their policies are non functional.

    Yeah, it's easy to sit there in opposition and tell the Government what to do. Easy to back popular, yet entirely destructive suggestions such as defaulting on our debt.

    If SF got into Government and did the things they're backing now, they would put the final nail in the coffin of this country.

    In a way, I would love to see it as I'll be long gone before the next GE and it would be great to see Ireland's self-destruction at the hands of the greedy electorate from the outside looking in. Hopefully with other ramifications such as the revocation of the access to movement within Europe and elsewhere, so the rats would go down with the ship they'd sank.


  • #43
    Monty Burnz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    Bababa2012 wrote: »
    Never mentioned sinn féin. What are u on about. U trying to make me confused like u are?
    Why focus on only one member of the opposition then? U mad bro?


  • #44
    Doc Ruby
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,956 ✭✭✭Doc Ruby


    Its not greed, its rage at the incompetence of FF and FF part deux, the brother of FF. If people were given a decent alternative with decent policies they'd switch in droves.


  • #45
    Toby Take a Bow
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,732 ✭✭✭Toby Take a Bow


    TreesAreCrowd wrote: »
    Are you going to make a point or just mindlessly ramble at me?

    Sinn Fein support is currently predominantly constituted of:
    -The uneducated, ignorant and moronic*
    -The greedy, those who don't want to face the economic realities we are dealing with and will vote for ANYONE who may default and put off the short term austerity the country has to face, despite the long term damage it will do to the country.

    Those are the facts, my friend. Ramble all you like but those will remain true regardless.

    Those aren't facts, they're opinion. You do realise that a party who have predominantly higher votes in working class areas does not necessarily mean that the working class make up a higher percentage of their vote, right (because if this were true, FF and FG would still have a majority of the votes). You'd also have to define 'educated'. And then make a link (based on facts, not opinion) from 'uneducated' to 'ignorant'. But then that would take away from the dripping irony of your own posts, and that would be a shame.

    A much more enlightened point would be to examine Sinn Fein's practice in government in Northern Ireland and question whether they would actually do anything different in any way were they in government in the Republic. You could also make a point about how they voted for the bank guarantee when it was put to the Dail, which would lead an extra level of the hypocritical to Sinn Fein posing as a viable alternative to the austerity of FF and FG. But that would probably be beyond rabble posting.


  • #46
    Zebra3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,095 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    Why doesn't Kenny grow a pair and make cuts to the amount of private gambling debts we repay?

    Why doesn't he stand up to that special interest group?

    Oh right, cos he's a coward. :mad:


  • #47
    wexie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,480 ✭✭✭wexie


    Monty Burnz wrote: »
    To be fair, they are generalisations but they do have a foundation. Since when were the Irish underclass considered well educated? Perhaps they are the solution to the shortage of science/IT graduates in this country? An untapped resource...

    True, but anybody who's willing to brand an entire (rather large) group of people as uneducated, ignorant and outright moronic is rather offensive, obnoxious and quite frankly, outright moronic.

    If one has a point to get across I recommend doing it without being an obnoxious [EMAIL="tw@t"]tw@t[/EMAIL] as most of us here generally try.

    While one might think that the matter in which a message is delivered shouldnt take away from it's contents (and it shouldn't) unfortunately out here in the real world, with the grownups, it does.

    PS the use of terms such as underclass could be considered highly emotive and offensive to some. And the fact that these people aren't well educated is more an indictment of the system rather than an indication of their capacity to learn.


  • #48
    Monty Burnz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    stevenmu wrote: »
    As somebody who was pretty poor when I was young, but was encouraged by my parents to get an education, worked hard to do so, including working full time in college, and is now making a pretty damn good living in the IT sector, I agree with everything but your sarcasm.
    Who said anything about being 'poor'? I was talking about the underclass - the fact that your parents gave a sh!t about your education at all means that you were never part of the underclass.

    'Underclass' is a state of mind, not a bank balance. My mother was dirt poor but her widowed mother emphasised education as your parents did.
    stevenmu wrote: »
    (that's probably the most commas I've ever managed to get in one sentence :))
    You did well. :)


  • #49
    TreesAreCrowd
    Closed Accounts Posts: 137 ✭✭TreesAreCrowd


    wexie wrote: »
    And the fact that these people aren't well educated is more an indictment of the system rather than an indication of their capacity to learn.

    Education in this country is freely available, it is not a fault of the system. It is, however, a fault of shoddy parenting and a shoddy attitude towards education and the educated.


  • #50
    Toby Take a Bow
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,732 ✭✭✭Toby Take a Bow


    TreesAreCrowd wrote: »
    Oh don't worry, it's not like I recognise your particular brand of incoherent rambling, the forum is full of it. It's just obvious that you're on your second (+) account and I'm sure the aforementioned rambling is the cause of it.

    I always find it interesting when somebody who registered this month is so clued into the idea of re-regs and second accounts, indeed can apparently spot someone when they are apparently re-regs. Very suspicious.


  • #51
    BarackPyjama
    Closed Accounts Posts: 974 ✭✭✭BarackPyjama


    I don't know how anyone that voted for FF or FG can call a SF voter 'ignorant' and keep a straight face.


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  • #52
    Bababa2012
    Closed Accounts Posts: 32 ✭Bababa2012


    Monty Burnz wrote: »
    Bababa2012 wrote: »
    Never mentioned sinn féin. What are u on about. U trying to make me confused like u are?
    Why focus on only one member of the opposition then? U mad bro?

    Mad yeah. Well pïssed off. Just didn't bother mentioning them. Which I'm entitled to do if I feel like it. But thanks for doing it for me anyway. Fair play to ya!


  • #53
    TreesAreCrowd
    Closed Accounts Posts: 137 ✭✭TreesAreCrowd


    Toby Take a Bow wrote: »
    I always find it interesting when somebody who registered this month is so clued into the idea of re-regs and second accounts, indeed can apparently spot someone when they are apparently re-regs. Very suspicious.
    http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/143/627/tumblr_lf6eqog2rH1qzljhoo1_500.jpg?1309740951


  • #54
    biko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,219 ✭✭✭✭biko


    Monty Burnz wrote: »
    Yes. We need the Shinners and ULA in government - they've got the backbone required to bring this country properly to its knees. :rolleyes:
    Like Iceland? That refused to pay and now a few years later are on the way back?

    Iceland Shows Ireland Did ‘Wrong Things’ Saving Banks
    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-02-01/iceland-proves-ireland-did-wrong-things-saving-banks-instead-of-taxpayer.html
    Another Awesome Fact From Iceland's Banking Recovery
    http://articles.businessinsider.com/2012-02-21/europe/31081762_1_debt-relief-bloomberg-textbook


  • #55
    Monty Burnz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    Doc Ruby wrote: »
    Its not greed, its rage at the incompetence of FF and FF part deux, the brother of FF. If people were given a decent alternative with decent policies they'd switch in droves.
    They had FG, SF, ULA and Labour to choose. The majority chose FG and Labour (thank Christ). That's democracy, live with it. If they switch to SF/ULA next time out (as we are seeing the Greek electorate move to the fringe) then I can really see this country going down the swanny Argentina style. If people think this is austerity, they are living in cloud cuckoo land. This is peachy compared to a proper crash.

    It might be better for us in the long run to default (as in, 10-20 years) but only if you are happy to see serious carnage on the streets, queues for food, people dying needlessly etc. etc. in the short term (1-3 years).

    I was in Argentina a couple of years after their default. Seeing families with young kids sleeping rough around Retiro train station shook me up.


  • #56
    Monty Burnz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    wexie wrote: »
    PS the use of terms such as underclass could be considered highly emotive and offensive to some. And the fact that these people aren't well educated is more an indictment of the system rather than an indication of their capacity to learn.
    Ah yes, the grown-ups have arrived to give us a lecture (and call people 'tw@ts' :confused:).

    The underclass is a reality, whether we are supposed to acknowledge it or not. See my response to the other lad about who to blame for their lack of educational achievement - 'the system' is an easy target, but those (like him) who want an education can get it for free.


  • #57
    Monty Burnz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    biko wrote: »
    Like Iceland? That refused to pay and now a few years later are on the way back?

    Iceland Shows Ireland Did ‘Wrong Things’ Saving Banks
    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-02-01/iceland-proves-ireland-did-wrong-things-saving-banks-instead-of-taxpayer.html
    Another Awesome Fact From Iceland's Banking Recovery
    http://articles.businessinsider.com/2012-02-21/europe/31081762_1_debt-relief-bloomberg-textbook
    Like Iceland, who have their own currency - which collapsed in value by more than half, which renders any comparison with Ireland completely invalid?

    (Unless we quit the Euro and see our real incomes and savings wiped out, of course)


  • #58
    Myrddin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 33,733 ✭✭✭✭Myrddin


    TreesAreCrowd wrote: »
    Yes, having been involved in the election process and seen the figures for myself, it was easy to where the support for Sinn Fein resides - the poor and uneducated areas.

    Areas can't be educated, people can. Don't you know anything?


  • #59
    Doc Ruby
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,956 ✭✭✭Doc Ruby


    biko wrote: »
    Like Iceland? That refused to pay and now a few years later are on the way back?
    They went through some extremely harsh measures though, enforcing capital controls so money couldn't leave the country, then collapsing their own currency. Anyone who saved up was severely punished by that move, while anyone deep in debt was in a much better position. I believe they also unilaterally cut mortgages by quite a lot.

    I personally support that short sharp shock doctrine, but I've no illusions about the amount of support it would receive from the majority who didn't go mad with loans. I've no loans myself, and we can't change the currency as we're in the EU, but our approach should be to cut public spending hard.
    Monty Burnz wrote: »
    That's democracy, live with it.
    Thats political capture you mean. There's nothing democratic about having only two main parties to vote for, one as bad as the other.


  • #60
    forfuxsake
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 829 ✭✭✭forfuxsake


    It's about time Sinn Fein voter realised what they are - fringe left-wing, socialist nobodies with pretensions of grandeur! Honestly they way they get on you would think they were the second biggest party in the state and the largest on the island.:eek:


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  • #61
    Born to Die
    Closed Accounts Posts: 830 ✭✭✭Born to Die


    forfuxsake wrote: »
    It's about time Sinn Fein voter realised what they are - fringe left-wing, socialist nobodies with pretensions of grandeur! Honestly they way they get on you would think they were the second biggest party in the state and the largest on the island.:eek:

    Soon

    *rubs chin

    :pac:


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