What Enda Says is Best

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micropig

FCUK ENDA!!:mad:

Monty Burnz

Aquila wrote: »

Not surprised whatsoever,yet another example of a lack of backbone by our wonderful elected representatives

Yes. We need the Shinners and ULA in government - they've got the backbone required to bring this country properly to its knees. :rolleyes:

TreesAreCrowd

Hrmm, who do I listen to:
Our elected leader, who is receiving information and advice from experts here and in Europe, or the leader of a terrorism backing political organisation who are only supported by the most uneducated, ignorant and outright moronic in Irish society?

I think I'll stick with Enda, thanks.

micropig

TreesAreCrowd wrote: »

Hrmm, who do I listen to:
Our elected leader, who is receiving information and advice from experts here and in Europe, or the leader of a terrorism backing political organisation who are only supported by the most uneducated, ignorant and outright moronic in Irish society?

I think I'll stick with Enda, thanks.

Easy one, the leader of a terrorism backing political organisation who are only supported by the most uneducated, ignorant and outright moronic in Irish society:D

Born to Die

TreesAreCrowd wrote: »

Hrmm, who do I listen to:
Our elected leader, who is receiving information and advice from experts here and in Europe, or the leader of a terrorism backing political organisation who are only supported by the most uneducated, ignorant and outright moronic in Irish society?

I think I'll stick with Enda, thanks.

Really, that is your response. Could you be any more ignorant in your generalisation?

Monty Burnz

Born to Die wrote: »

Really, that is your response. Could you be any more ignorant in your generalisation?

He could be more ignorant, but he couldn't be much more accurate... :pac:

TreesAreCrowd

Born to Die wrote: »

Really, that is your response. Could you be any more ignorant in your generalisation?

Yes, having been involved in the election process and seen the figures for myself, it was easy to where the support for Sinn Fein resides - the poor and uneducated areas.

I'm editing to add that this was during the last general election. There may be current support for Sinn Fein elsewhere, but that is predominately arising from swing voters who don't *really* know what they're doing when they hit the ballot box and tend to vote out of spite more than anything else.

Born to Die

TreesAreCrowd wrote: »

Yes, having been involved in the election process and seen the figures for myself, it was easy to where the support for Sinn Fein resides - the poor and uneducated areas.

I'm editing to add that this was during the last general election. There may be current support for Sinn Fein elsewhere, but that is predominately arising from swing voters who don't *really* know what they're doing when they hit the ballot box and tend to vote out of spite more than anything else.

As oppose to the electorate who do know what they are voting for.
Give it a rest you are too obvious.

Bababa2012

TreesAreCrowd wrote: »

Born to Die wrote: »

Really, that is your response. Could you be any more ignorant in your generalisation?

Yes, having been involved in the election process and seen the figures for myself, it was easy to where the support for Sinn Fein resides - the poor and uneducated areas.

I'm editing to add that this was during the last general election. There may be current support for Sinn Fein elsewhere, but that is predominately arising from swing voters who don't *really* know what they're doing when they hit the ballot box and tend to vote out of spite more than anything else.

Yeah...supporting FF and FG = genius

The two parties that ruined the country. When FF were in power FG were in opposition and therefore should have had their eye on the ball and scrutinised every move FF made. This they failed miserably to do.
Then FG get into power and act like the village weeds/idiots!
Nothing better than to have a party of sellouts in government.
I really should have voted for them!!!

Zebra3

“This country is in a bail-out programme, Spain is not,” said Mr Kenny.

“So the money to pay the salaries of the Guards, the teachers, the nurses and all of the other people in the country here comes from Europe.”

Well done Kenny, you liar.

My wages are certainly not paid through these loans (which are not a bailout for Ireland). Not everyone in this country works in the public sector. Not that Kenny would have much understanding of the private sector. :rolleyes:

Strange the way he mentions the money for guards, teachers and nurses, yet doesn't mention politicans' wages, expenses and pensions. :rolleyes:

TreesAreCrowd

Born to Die wrote: »

As oppose to the electorate who do know what they are voting for.
Give it a rest you are too obvious.

Are you going to make a point or just mindlessly ramble at me?

Sinn Fein support is currently predominantly constituted of:
-The uneducated, ignorant and moronic*
-The greedy, those who don't want to face the economic realities we are dealing with and will vote for ANYONE who may default and put off the short term austerity the country has to face, despite the long term damage it will do to the country.

Those are the facts, my friend. Ramble all you like but those will remain true regardless.

Bababa2012

TreesAreCrowd wrote: »

Born to Die wrote: »

As oppose to the electorate who do know what they are voting for.
Give it a rest you are too obvious.

Are you going to make a point or just mindlessly ramble at me?

Sinn Fein support is currently predominantly constituted of:
-The uneducated, ignorant and moronic*
-The greedy, those who don't want to face the economic realities we are dealing with and will vote for ANYONE who may default and put off the short term austerity the country has to face, despite the long term damage it will do to the country.

Those are the facts, my friend. Ramble all you like but those will remain true regardless.

Gay Mitchell....is that you?

TreesAreCrowd

Bababa2012 wrote: »

When FF were in power FG were in opposition and therefore should have had their eye on the ball and scrutinised every move FF made. This they failed miserably to do.

That's not how it works, I'm afraid. I'm not even going to explain why because it's quite apparent that you haven't the faintest idea what you're talking about.

Sinn Fein voter, I presume? Well done.

Born to Die

TreesAreCrowd wrote: »

Are you going to make a point or just mindlessly ramble at me?

Sinn Fein support is currently predominantly constituted of:
-The uneducated, ignorant and moronic*
-The greedy, those who don't want to face the economic realities we are dealing with and will vote for ANYONE who may default and put off the short term austerity the country has to face, despite the long term damage it will do to the country.

Those are the facts, my friend. Ramble all you like but those will remain true regardless.

The thread you are looking for has been done to death on this forum. Your description of people who vote for Sinn Fein as "The uneducated, ignorant and moronic*" doesn't bode well for reasoned discussion so I won't bother educating you with my "ramblings".

mackg

I don't know too much about politics, I'll be the first to admit that but when it comes to criticising government policy the opposition seem to have it very easy. For example the budget, the opposition just pick an area that gets hard done by and screams blue murder.

If these budgets are so harsh and unfair why does the finance spokesperson for the relevant opposition parties not release an alternate budget accounting for where they would make the cuts if it was them in power? If their plans are so vastly superior surely by examining their alternate policies the electorate would see they would be the correct people to lead.

I'm not trying to turn this into a thread about the budget, just using it as an example. Maybe I'm wrong and this does happen but I've never heard of it. Please feel free to correct me.

TreesAreCrowd

Born to Die wrote: »

The thread you are looking for has been done to death on this forum. Your description of people who vote for Sinn Fein as "The uneducated, ignorant and moronic*" doesn't bode well for reasoned discussion so I won't bother educating you with my "ramblings".

Indeed, I'm sure your ramblings are why your other account was banned.

Born to Die

TreesAreCrowd wrote: »

Indeed, I'm sure your ramblings are why your other account was banned.

That is an interesting accusation, have you facts to back it?

I am waiting.

Nodin

TreesAreCrowd wrote: »

Hrmm, who do I listen to:
Our elected leader, who is receiving information and advice from experts here and in Europe, or the leader of a terrorism backing political organisation who are only supported by the most uneducated, ignorant and outright moronic in Irish society?

I think I'll stick with Enda, thanks.

My, aren't you the sharp one. Have you any other sweeping generalisations you'd like to share with us?

TreesAreCrowd

Born to Die wrote: »

That is an interesting accusation, have you facts to back it?

I am waiting.

Oh don't worry, it's not like I recognise your particular brand of incoherent rambling, the forum is full of it. It's just obvious that you're on your second (+) account and I'm sure the aforementioned rambling is the cause of it.

Bababa2012

TreesAreCrowd wrote: »

Bababa2012 wrote: »

When FF were in power FG were in opposition and therefore should have had their eye on the ball and scrutinised every move FF made. This they failed miserably to do.

That's not how it works, I'm afraid. I'm not even going to explain why because it's quite apparent that you haven't the faintest idea what you're talking about.

Sinn Fein voter, I presume? Well done.

Independant voter actually..oh man of great intellect and wisdom!!!
Ur not going to explain it because u have urself tied up in Japanese knotweed... Trying to make a sows ear look like a silk purse.
U are unfortunately part of the spineless crew.. The ones that went begging to their mammies in the past and continue to do so.
How long do we need to be clueless? When do we stand on our own two feet and develop a nation that we built on our own merit? And not with a trocaire box that we fill in Brussels.

Born to Die

TreesAreCrowd wrote: »

Oh don't worry, it's not like I recognise your particular brand of incoherent rambling, the forum is full of it. It's just obvious that you're on your second (+) account and I'm sure the aforementioned rambling is the cause of it.

Go away. You aren't worth the time.

wexie

or the leader of a terrorism backing political organisation who are only supported by the most uneducated, ignorant and outright moronic in Irish society?

TreesAreCrowd wrote: »

Oh don't worry, it's not like I recognise your particular brand of incoherent rambling, the forum is full of it. It's just obvious that you're on your second (+) account and I'm sure the aforementioned rambling is the cause of it.

Does anybody else see the irony in someone dumb and ignorant enough to come out with such completely unfounded and sweeping generalisations has the balls to occuse other people of incoherent ramblings?

......

You're not running for office are you?

AlmightyCushion

We're adding to our national debt at a crazy rate thanks to the budget deficit. We need to reduce the deficit as much as possible otherwise we'll be overwhelmed with debt. Our GDP to debt ratio is about 100% where as Spain's is much better. Our budget deficit is higher than theirs. They're can handle extra debt if needs be, we can't. We need to stick to our targets if not beat them.

TreesAreCrowd

Bababa2012 wrote: »

Independant voter actually..oh man of great intellect and wisdom!!!
Ur not going to explain it because u have urself tied up in Japanese knotweed... Trying to make a sows ear look like a silk purse.
U are unfortunately part of the spineless crew.. The ones that went begging to their mammies in the past and continue to do so.
How long do we need to be clueless? When do we stand on our own two feet and develop a nation that we built on our own merit? And not with a trocaire box that we fill in Brussels.

Another load of rambling, inane bullshít. Well done. I'm not going to spend any more time trying to decipher the incoherent diarrhea your mind is producing so don't bother providing me with any, although I can't say I'll be shocked if your "brain" convinces you that it's a good idea to try to have the last word on the matter.

TreesAreCrowd

wexie wrote: »

Does anybody else see the irony in someone dumb and ignorant enough to come out with such completely unfounded and sweeping generalisations has the balls to occuse other people of incoherent ramblings?

......

You're not running for office are you?

Unfounded? I'm sorry, the statistics are there to back it up. Poor/working class areas are make up the core support for SF. If you don't like that fact, by all means let that little brain of yours reject it, but it is a fact and will remain as such.

Bababa2012

TreesAreCrowd wrote: »

Bababa2012 wrote: »

Independant voter actually..oh man of great intellect and wisdom!!!
Ur not going to explain it because u have urself tied up in Japanese knotweed... Trying to make a sows ear look like a silk purse.
U are unfortunately part of the spineless crew.. The ones that went begging to their mammies in the past and continue to do so.
How long do we need to be clueless? When do we stand on our own two feet and develop a nation that we built on our own merit? And not with a trocaire box that we fill in Brussels.

Another load of rambling, inane bullshít. Well done. I'm not going to spend any more time trying to decipher the incoherent diarrhea your mind is producing so don't bother providing me with any, although I can't say I'll be shocked if your "brain" convinces you that it's a good idea to try to have the last word on the matter.

Point proven. You are the one and only tripped out Gay Mitchell. Only one who has faith in ur drivel is yourself!!
Do go away though as everyone has seen through ur childish behaviour. Why don't u go and jump up and down and throw a tantrum?

Monty Burnz

Bababa2012 wrote: »

When FF were in power FG were in opposition and therefore should have had their eye on the ball and scrutinised every move FF made. This they failed miserably to do.

Um...where were Sinn Fein during this time that they were neither in government nor in opposition?

TreesAreCrowd

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Um...where were Sinn Fein during this time that they were neither in government nor in opposition?

Training in the woods with the lads

wexie

TreesAreCrowd wrote: »

Hrmm, who do I listen to:
Our elected leader, who is receiving information and advice from experts here and in Europe, or the leader of a terrorism backing political organisation who are only supported by the most uneducated, ignorant and outright moronic in Irish society?

I think I'll stick with Enda, thanks.

TreesAreCrowd wrote: »

Unfounded? I'm sorry, the statistics are there to back it up. Poor/working class areas are make up the core support for SF. If you don't like that fact, by all means let that little brain of yours reject it, but it is a fact and will remain as such.

So you're equating poor/working class with uneducated ignorant and moronic....but these aren't unfounded generalisations....

My apologies, I didn't realise you were a bit backward....

I won't argue with you again

Monty Burnz

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

We're adding to our national debt at a crazy rate thanks to the budget deficit. We need to reduce the deficit as much as possible otherwise we'll be overwhelmed with debt. Our GDP to debt ratio is about 100% where as Spain's is much better. Our budget deficit is higher than theirs. They're can handle extra debt if needs be, we can't. We need to stick to our targets if not beat them.

Oh go away - there's no room for facts or logic here!

Boo Enda rabble rabble

(I guess Labour aren't in government either)

TreesAreCrowd

The "class" with the highest proportion of said people is the poor/working class. Again, whether you want to face that fact or not...I don't particularly care.

Monty Burnz

wexie wrote: »

So you're equating poor/working class with uneducated ignorant and moronic....but these aren't unfounded generalisations....

To be fair, they are generalisations but they do have a foundation. Since when were the Irish underclass considered well educated? Perhaps they are the solution to the shortage of science/IT graduates in this country? An untapped resource...

Bababa2012

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Bababa2012 wrote: »

When FF were in power FG were in opposition and therefore should have had their eye on the ball and scrutinised every move FF made. This they failed miserably to do.

Um...where were Sinn Fein during this time that they were neither in government nor in opposition?

Never mentioned sinn féin. What are u on about. U trying to make me confused like u are?

stevenmu

Zebra3 wrote: »

Well done Kenny, you liar.

My wages are certainly not paid through these loans (which are not a bailout for Ireland). Not everyone in this country works in the public sector. Not that Kenny would have much understanding of the private sector. :rolleyes:

Strange the way he mentions the money for guards, teachers and nurses, yet doesn't mention politicans' wages, expenses and pensions. :rolleyes:

If you're in the public sector, then yes, the EU loans are paying for your wages. You may not have heard but we have an absolutely huge budget deficit. We spend way way more on the public sector (including guards, teachers, nurses etc, not to mention all the social welfare we're so fond of in this country) than we take in in taxes. The difference is made up by loans from the EU. Not everyone in the country works for the public sector, but we all demand the services that it provides (healthcare, education, roads/transport, social welfare, policing amongst many others). If we don't get the loans then we have to make massive cuts in everything, much much bigger cuts than we're making at the moment, and look at how much everybody moans about those already.

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

We're adding to our national debt at a crazy rate thanks to the budget deficit. We need to reduce the deficit as much as possible otherwise we'll be overwhelmed with debt. Our GDP to debt ratio is about 100% where as Spain's is much better. Our budget deficit is higher than theirs. They're can handle extra debt if needs be, we can't. We need to stick to our targets if not beat them.

I agree completely, unfortunately any time cuts are made every single special interest group screams bloody murder about "the most vulnerable people in society". I'm not sure how every single group out there can be "the most vulnerable" though.

TreesAreCrowd

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Perhaps they are the solution to the shortage of science/IT graduates in this country? An untapped resource...

:pac:

Doc Ruby

TreesAreCrowd wrote: »

The "class" with the highest proportion of said people is the poor/working class.

Given how quickly Inda's plans are beggaring the country, I can see a surge in SF voters before too long.

I dunno, I like their brass but their policies are non functional.

Ellis Dee

Looking at some of the Shinner-bashing by the national cringe brigade on this thread, I can't help wondering whether Kevin Myarse is at a loose end and has opened a few accounts to do some trolling.:):):):)

Bababa2012

TreesAreCrowd wrote: »

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Um...where were Sinn Fein during this time that they were neither in government nor in opposition?

Training in the woods with the lads

Is a better place to be than like u are....training in ur bedroom(on ur own) with notions of grandeur about ones self!!!

stevenmu

Monty Burnz wrote: »

To be fair, they are generalisations but they do have a foundation. Since when were the Irish underclass considered well educated? Perhaps they are the solution to the shortage of science/IT graduates in this country? An untapped resource...

As somebody who was pretty poor when I was young, but was encouraged by my parents to get an education, worked hard to do so, including working full time in college, and is now making a pretty damn good living in the IT sector, I agree with everything but your sarcasm.


(that's probably the most commas I've ever managed to get in one sentence )

mikom

Edna Kenny wrote:

“So the money to pay the salaries of the Guards, the teachers, the nurses and all of the other people in the country here comes from Europe.”

“So the €1.25bn to pay the bondholders in Anglo Irish Bank comes from the taxpayers of Ireland.”


F.O.A.D you spineless cunt

TreesAreCrowd

Doc Ruby wrote: »

Given how quickly Inda's plans are beggaring the country, I can see a surge in SF voters before too long.

I dunno, I like their brass but their policies are non functional.

Yeah, it's easy to sit there in opposition and tell the Government what to do. Easy to back popular, yet entirely destructive suggestions such as defaulting on our debt.

If SF got into Government and did the things they're backing now, they would put the final nail in the coffin of this country.

In a way, I would love to see it as I'll be long gone before the next GE and it would be great to see Ireland's self-destruction at the hands of the greedy electorate from the outside looking in. Hopefully with other ramifications such as the revocation of the access to movement within Europe and elsewhere, so the rats would go down with the ship they'd sank.

Monty Burnz

Bababa2012 wrote: »

Never mentioned sinn féin. What are u on about. U trying to make me confused like u are?

Why focus on only one member of the opposition then? U mad bro?

Doc Ruby

Its not greed, its rage at the incompetence of FF and FF part deux, the brother of FF. If people were given a decent alternative with decent policies they'd switch in droves.

Toby Take a Bow

TreesAreCrowd wrote: »

Are you going to make a point or just mindlessly ramble at me?

Sinn Fein support is currently predominantly constituted of:
-The uneducated, ignorant and moronic*
-The greedy, those who don't want to face the economic realities we are dealing with and will vote for ANYONE who may default and put off the short term austerity the country has to face, despite the long term damage it will do to the country.

Those are the facts, my friend. Ramble all you like but those will remain true regardless.

Those aren't facts, they're opinion. You do realise that a party who have predominantly higher votes in working class areas does not necessarily mean that the working class make up a higher percentage of their vote, right (because if this were true, FF and FG would still have a majority of the votes). You'd also have to define 'educated'. And then make a link (based on facts, not opinion) from 'uneducated' to 'ignorant'. But then that would take away from the dripping irony of your own posts, and that would be a shame.

A much more enlightened point would be to examine Sinn Fein's practice in government in Northern Ireland and question whether they would actually do anything different in any way were they in government in the Republic. You could also make a point about how they voted for the bank guarantee when it was put to the Dail, which would lead an extra level of the hypocritical to Sinn Fein posing as a viable alternative to the austerity of FF and FG. But that would probably be beyond rabble posting.

Zebra3

Why doesn't Kenny grow a pair and make cuts to the amount of private gambling debts we repay?

Why doesn't he stand up to that special interest group?

Oh right, cos he's a coward. :mad:

wexie

Monty Burnz wrote: »

To be fair, they are generalisations but they do have a foundation. Since when were the Irish underclass considered well educated? Perhaps they are the solution to the shortage of science/IT graduates in this country? An untapped resource...

True, but anybody who's willing to brand an entire (rather large) group of people as uneducated, ignorant and outright moronic is rather offensive, obnoxious and quite frankly, outright moronic.

If one has a point to get across I recommend doing it without being an obnoxious [EMAIL="tw@t"]tw@t[/EMAIL] as most of us here generally try.

While one might think that the matter in which a message is delivered shouldnt take away from it's contents (and it shouldn't) unfortunately out here in the real world, with the grownups, it does.

PS the use of terms such as underclass could be considered highly emotive and offensive to some. And the fact that these people aren't well educated is more an indictment of the system rather than an indication of their capacity to learn.

Monty Burnz

stevenmu wrote: »

As somebody who was pretty poor when I was young, but was encouraged by my parents to get an education, worked hard to do so, including working full time in college, and is now making a pretty damn good living in the IT sector, I agree with everything but your sarcasm.

Who said anything about being 'poor'? I was talking about the underclass - the fact that your parents gave a sh!t about your education at all means that you were never part of the underclass.

'Underclass' is a state of mind, not a bank balance. My mother was dirt poor but her widowed mother emphasised education as your parents did.

stevenmu wrote: »

(that's probably the most commas I've ever managed to get in one sentence )

You did well.

TreesAreCrowd

wexie wrote: »

And the fact that these people aren't well educated is more an indictment of the system rather than an indication of their capacity to learn.

Education in this country is freely available, it is not a fault of the system. It is, however, a fault of shoddy parenting and a shoddy attitude towards education and the educated.

Toby Take a Bow

TreesAreCrowd wrote: »

Oh don't worry, it's not like I recognise your particular brand of incoherent rambling, the forum is full of it. It's just obvious that you're on your second (+) account and I'm sure the aforementioned rambling is the cause of it.

I always find it interesting when somebody who registered this month is so clued into the idea of re-regs and second accounts, indeed can apparently spot someone when they are apparently re-regs. Very suspicious.

BarackPyjama

I don't know how anyone that voted for FF or FG can call a SF voter 'ignorant' and keep a straight face.