(Men) 10 Round Numbers- how many of these can you run in 2012?

Pisco Sour · 13-03-2012 02:20PM

RayCun wrote: »

Not just rare, seems to be non-existent. I don't see it in the Graded Meets, the BHAA races, or anywhere else I can think of. Sure, you could go up to a track yourself and do it, but where's the fun in that?

True, not a lot of fun at all. There's one 1k race down here that I know of, at one of the Vic Milers meets. I didn't bother doing it as I wasn't interested in a 1km PB at the time, didn't know about this challenge, and besides, I wouldn't have a hope in hell of breaking 3 minutes anyway.

Timmaay · 13-03-2012 03:14PM

Sub5 mile attempt tonight for anyone interested!! There are fit4life mile races on the greystones track from 7.30 on!

Timmaay · 13-03-2012 03:18PM

Would it count if I got a sub60 400 and sub3 1km during a mile race also!! (not that I would give myself much hope of hanging on for a sub5 after a 60sec 1st lap :P)

dna_leri · 13-03-2012 03:20PM

RayCun wrote: »

Yeah, official race splits are fine, taking a reading from your Garmin isn't.

Are there any 1000m races anywhere? I don't see the point in listing a distance if donothoponpop has to organise a race specially to get entries.

Now that DNP is no longer a mod, can we change it back to 800m?

Not just saying that because its one of my target distances for this year, well maybe...

RayCun · 13-03-2012 03:25PM

Timmaay wrote: »

Would it count if I got a sub60 400 and sub3 1km during a mile race also!! (not that I would give myself much hope of hanging on for a sub5 after a 60sec 1st lap :P)

Only if you get an official split with your race times

dna_leri wrote: »

Now that DNP is no longer a mod, can we change it back to 800m?
Not just saying that because its one of my target distances for this year, well maybe...

He may not be a mod, but it's still his thread

The trouble with 800m was that there's no round number target...

Krusty_Clown · 13-03-2012 03:29PM

Timmaay wrote: »

Would it count if I got a sub60 400 and sub3 1km during a mile race also!! (not that I would give myself much hope of hanging on for a sub5 after a 60sec 1st lap :P)

Presumably if you get an official published split for the race.

I'm wondering if I can get the 10k, 1/2 marathon and marathon all in one race in four weeks time.

robinph · 13-03-2012 03:52PM

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Yay, tables.

Will be making an attempt at the 10 mile on Monday, but will not make it. Should easily get the half on 1st April and the full at the end of April.

donothoponpop · 13-03-2012 04:25PM

1) IAAF guidelines apply, so there's no problem ticking off a (measured) 5k, on your way to a 10k, for instance.

2) Time trials are also fine for the purposes of ticking off what can be done on the track (no super-Garmin pb's on a multi-cornered local road route).

3) 1k in <3mins stays, for reasons given earlier in the thread. The only person who can make me change this would be Racing Flat (who has indicated to me he'd prefer a sub3min 800m rather than a (say) 2:15 800m). It's a "round numbers" thread. The 1k is a better fit, so stays!:)

donothoponpop · 13-03-2012 04:27PM

Timmaay wrote: »

Sub5 mile attempt tonight for anyone interested!! There are fit4life mile races on the greystones track from 7.30 on!

Best of luck with it Timmaay. I really wanted to do this and set a marker, but coaching for the kiddies starts tonight, so sadly I have to give them precedence. But I'll run the little feckers harder than they've been run before!

Krusty_Clown · 13-03-2012 04:56PM

donothoponpop wrote: »

3) 1k in <3mins stays, for reasons given earlier in the thread. The only person who can make me change this would be Racing Flat (who has indicated to me he'd prefer a sub3min 800m rather than a (say) 2:15 800m). It's a "round numbers" thread. The 1k is a better fit, so stays!:)

Shouldn't objectives be achievable? If you can't meet the 1k target because of logistics (no races exist), doesn't it make the entire list unachievable?

donothoponpop · 13-03-2012 05:03PM

Krusty_Clown wrote: »

Shouldn't objectives be achievable? If you can't meet the 1k target because of logistics (no races exist), doesn't it make the entire list unachievable?

Very few mile races either (its an anachronism), although, granted, more than a 1k race. Organize a 1k time trial, easy enough to do. Or put the 800m at sub 2 mins, or sub 3 mins (both of which are way out of kilter with the other times). Maybe a sub 3 min 800 is the way to go.

Sprocket77 · 13-03-2012 05:27PM

donothoponpop wrote: »

Very few mile races either (its an anachronism), although, granted, more than a 1k race. Organize a 1k time trial, easy enough to do. Or put the 800m at sub 2 mins, or sub 3 mins (both of which are way out of kilter with the other times). Maybe a sub 3 min 800 is the way to go.

As much as I'd love to step out the door in my normal clothes and converse and run one of the Top 10, sub 3 min for 800m isn't the way to go. It's supposed to be a challenge and that wouldn't even be a challenge to a beginner like me.

Most of these targets need to be something to aspire to and have to work hard towards.

Krusty_Clown · 13-03-2012 05:28PM

donothoponpop wrote: »

Very few mile races either (its an anachronism), although, granted, more than a 1k race. Organize a 1k time trial, easy enough to do. Or put the 800m at sub 2 mins, or sub 3 mins (both of which are way out of kilter with the other times). Maybe a sub 3 min 800 is the way to go.

The 10 Mile time is way out of kilter with the 1/2 marathon time too (you could run the sub-60 10 miles, and then run 3.1 more miles at close to 10 minute mile pace!). IMHO, the 800m is a much better idea, as it's approximately half way between the other two targets. A 150 second 800m is a nice round number and would be a step in the direction of a sub 5 mile.

donothoponpop · 13-03-2012 05:45PM

Krusty_Clown wrote: »

The 10 Mile time is way out of kilter with the 1/2 marathon time too (you could run the sub-60 10 miles, and then run 3.1 more miles at close to 10 minute mile pace!).

The current range is from the sub hour 10 miler, to the <20min 5k. A 2, or 3min 800m, extends this range by a fair distance either way, that's why its out of kilter.

Krusty_Clown wrote: »

IMHO, the 800m is a much better idea, as it's approximately half way between the other two targets. A 150 second 800m is a nice round number and would be a step in the direction of a sub 5 mile.

The "round number" idea is something that runners tick off over their career- when you have the slippers up and are telling the grandkids about your athletics career, its reaching these milestones that will remain in memory, rather than specific pb's. A 2:30 800m introduces a break from round numbers, once that starts people will look to lower the anomaly that is a 20 min 5k when there's already a (2x{20min 5K}) 40 min 10k.

Most runners pace in kilometers now, so wondering if you can break a 3 min one, makes as much sense as wondering if you can break a 5 min mile (for those who pace in miles). And its easy to organize, on a track.

Sprocket77 · 13-03-2012 05:55PM

donothoponpop wrote: »

Most runners pace in kilometers now, so wondering if you can break a 3 min one, makes as much sense as wondering if you can break a 5 min mile (for those who pace in miles). And its easy to organize, on a track.

The difference is that the 800m is an Olympic sport and the mile is an iconic distance. A 1km just doesn't have the same resonance. Who even knows who has the 1km world record.

Wonder how long it takes someone to google it though

Brianderunner · 13-03-2012 06:00PM

Sprocket77 wrote: »

The difference is that the 800m is an Olympic sport and the mile is an iconic distance. A 1km just doesn't have the same resonance. Who even knows who has the 1km world record.

Wonder how long it takes someone to google it though

Off the top of my head i think its Ngeny. When and where and what time i cant remember

Krusty_Clown · 13-03-2012 06:05PM

Ahh. I got the wrong end of the stick. I was focusing more on achievable targets within a year (specifically 2012). However, if the goal is that these are career-long objectives then it makes a lot more sense, as you can find a suitable target 1k race at your leisure.

The old list (big 8 challenge) was something that was achievable within a year (as evidenced by Larry), but this list seems less so. Maybe I'll award myself an honorary bronze badge for completing 8/10 events at the end of the year*.

*Theroetical!

donothoponpop · 13-03-2012 06:26PM

Krusty_Clown wrote: »

Ahh. I got the wrong end of the stick. I was focusing more on achievable targets within a year (specifically 2012). However, if the goal is that these are career-long objectives then it makes a lot more sense, as you can find a suitable target 1k race at your leisure.

The old list (big 8 challenge) was something that was achievable within a year (as evidenced by Larry), but this list seems less so. Maybe I'll award myself an honorary bronze badge for completing 8/10 events at the end of the year*.

*Theroetical!

I can see the point of having an 800m, but the bigger point is "round numbers", and RF's original idea were round targets a halfway-serious-fun-club runner/hobbyist might strive for during their career, and remember when they hit those targets. Adding the lower distances was a way to make it less marathon-specific, and already most of the chat has been about the lower lengths... but if it wasn't that it would be something else! Last year all the early debate was about the targets being too hard/easy... at the end of the day its just a bunch of distances, anyone who wants to run an 800m, I'm not going to stop you! (Just keep going for another 200m;))

PS The prize fund has doubled this year, to reflect the extra difficulty.

Krusty_Clown · 13-03-2012 10:00PM

Name|400m<60 secs|1 kilometer<3:00|1 mile<5 min|3k<10min|5k<20min|5mile<30min|10k<40m|10miles<1hr|Half Marathon<90mins|Marathon<3hrs

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donothoponpop · 13-03-2012 10:14PM

Krusty_Clown wrote: »

krusty_clown 4:57

Wow, that's fantastic! You are in some shape- how did the race go?

(Edit- maybe we should add the 2 min 800m... the rest are too easy for you!)

Larry Brent · 13-03-2012 10:39PM

donothoponpop wrote: »

Krusty_Clown wrote: »

Shouldn't objectives be achievable? If you can't meet the 1k target because of logistics (no races exist), doesn't it make the entire list unachievable?

Very few mile races either (its an anachronism), although, granted, more than a 1k race. Organize a 1k time trial, easy enough to do. Or put the 800m at sub 2 mins, or sub 3 mins (both of which are way out of kilter with the other times). Maybe a sub 3 min 800 is the way to go.

IMHO 3min 800 way to go. More inclusive. Encourage someone to get 1/10 and they might want to do another one...

RayCun · 13-03-2012 10:44PM

Larry Brent wrote: »

IMHO 3min 800 way to go. More inclusive. Encourage someone to get 1/10 and they might want to do another one...

might encourage people to run track too if the softest target is a track race...

(and I'm not just saying that because it's another target I can hit

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donothoponpop · 13-03-2012 10:52PM

Name|400m<60 secs|800m<3min|1 mile<5 min|3k<10min|5k<20min|5mile<30min|10k<40m|10miles<1hr|Half Marathon<90mins|Marathon<3hrs

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Larry Brent wrote: »

IMHO 3min 800 way to go. More inclusive. Encourage someone to get 1/10 and they might want to do another one...

Done. Anyone wants to run faster than 3 mins, still gets to put up their time, and we can revert to 1k once the IAAF adopt the 500m track:)

Now, let the debate about slipping standards begin...;)

Pisco Sour · 13-03-2012 11:00PM

Name|400m<60 secs|800m<3min|1 mile<5 min|3k<10min|5k<20min|5mile<30min|10k<40m|10miles<1hr|Half Marathon<90mins|Marathon<3hrs

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3 minutes for 800m is extremely weak. I think 2:30 would be a better target (150 seconds is a pretty round number), and such a target, while still not very challenging, would at least be ahead of the 5K in terms of difficulty. But if a 3 minute 800m gets people running track races then I am 100% all for it.

Krusty_Clown · 17-03-2012 06:09PM

Name|400m<60 secs|800m<3min|1 mile<5 min|3k<10min|5k<20min|5mile<30min|10k<40m|10miles<1hr|Half Marathon<90mins|Marathon<3hrs

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robinph|||||17:48|29:05||||

Updating for 5 mile specific race (instead of 10 mile split).

drquirky · 17-03-2012 06:45PM

Name|400m<60 secs|800m<3min|1 mile<5 min|3k<10min|5k<20min|5mile<30min|10k<40m|10miles<1hr|Half Marathon<90mins|Marathon<3hrs

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krusty_clown|||4:57|||27:44||58:37||
robinph|||||17:48|29:05||||

Putting my 10k in there

RayCun · 18-03-2012 08:19PM

Name|400m<60 secs|800m<3min|1 mile<5 min|3k<10min|5k<20min|5mile<30min|10k<40m|10miles<1hr|Half Marathon<90mins|Marathon<3hrs

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donothoponpop · 18-03-2012 08:24PM

RayCun wrote: »

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Sorry Ray, had the headphones on, missed your comment?

RayCun · 19-03-2012 08:22AM

I have to comment too?:eek:

pconn062 · 19-03-2012 05:05PM

Name|400m<60 secs|800m<3min|1 mile<5 min|3k<10min|5k<20min|5mile<30min|10k<40m|10miles<1hr|Half Marathon<90mins|Marathon<3hrs

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Just updating yesterdays 5k time, that's the adjusted time as the course was slightly short, actual time was 17:59 but I would feel guilty if I put that down! Only likely to hit another one or two of these, sub 40 10k and sub 90 half. Might do the sub 3.00 800m as well if I can find a race because it seems quite soft!

(Men) 10 Round Numbers- how many of these can you run in 2012?

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