Padraig Nally documentary on RTÉ2

wellboy76 · 12-03-2012 11:52PM #1

Just after watching this. Got to feel sorry for the poor man. Even ended up on a stakeout in his own barn.

Think most rational people would have done the same in his shoes. Pity nobody from the travelling community in the mayo area other than the 2 settled guys at the start (1 of which I recognise from being a mayor of rathkeale or somewhere similar) came out to give their side of the story as to defend a guy who on the face of it was harassing mr nally.

Great program, that's why I pay my licence fee. And I don't often give kudos to RTÉ.

12-03-2012 11:55PM

I didnt need to see Charlie Bird talking about Charlie bird did you need to shoot him twice Charlie bird? Why not shoot him in the Charlie Bird or just shoot the Charlie Bird in the air to Charlie Bird.

Ok my real opinion is that he should have used Frog Ward's head on a stick outside his farm as a warning to any other cunt who wanted to terrorize an old man.

Seanchai · 12-03-2012 11:58PM

wellboy76 wrote: »

Just after watching this. Got to feel sorry for the poor man. Even ended up on a stakeout in his own barn.

Think most rational people would have done the same in his shoes. Pity nobody from the travelling community in the mayo area other than the 2 settled guys at the start (1 of which I recognise from being a mayor of rathkeale or somewhere similar) came out to give their side of the story as to defend a guy who on the face of it was harassing mr nally.

Great program, that's why I pay my licence fee. And I don't often give kudos to RTÉ.

It was good alright. The case attracted a lot of bigoted anti-traveller morons. But at the same time I think very, very many people on farms especially have a genuine fear of travellers coming on their property. I can certainly appreciate why very many would deem Pádraig Nally to be a 'hero'. I think he was right, but I don't like people using it for some wider anti-traveller attack.

Owen_S · 12-03-2012 11:59PM

It was decent, although Charlie Bird should be replaced with Bill O'Herlihy IMO.

M cebee · 13-03-2012 12:00AM

haha
lets have a fight

settled versus travellers

Seanchai · 13-03-2012 12:01AM

Charlie's still a legend, but he was looking fierce scruffy tonight. We need more scruffies on RTÉ - if only to shock the Superquinn/Brown Thomas/Marks & Spencer women ladies.

13-03-2012 12:02AM

Owen_S wrote: »

It was decent, although Charlie Bird should be replaced with Bill O'Herlihy IMO.

haha imagine it

"Okey doke so, eh, we will be back after the break with some Garda analysis of the shooting, eh, live."

redzerologhlen · 13-03-2012 12:04AM

wellboy76 wrote: »

Just after watching this. Got to feel sorry for the poor man. Even ended up on a stakeout in his own barn.

Think most rational people would have done the same in his shoes. Pity nobody from the travelling community in the mayo area other than the 2 settled guys at the start (1 of which I recognise from being a mayor of rathkeale or somewhere similar) came out to give their side of the story as to defend a guy who on the face of it was harassing mr nally.

Great program, that's why I pay my licence fee. And I don't often give kudos to RTÉ.

I thought he was the mayor of tuam. I dont think it was ever a settled vs traveller incident like the travellers made out even though they were down to earth about it. Bottom line if you are by yourself and being harassed for a while your going to crack. He probably shouldnt have reloaded but more than likely Ward would have gone back to get him if he hadnt. I live in the back of beyonds and the amount of break ins going on lately is unreal, every week I hear of something. He shouldnt have fired the first shot at him really when you think about it but when he had been there a few times before and kept coming back the man must have been in fear and acted on it. Its a pity because it has his own life ruined too over it.

micropig · 13-03-2012 12:08AM

I thought it was quite well done, he interviewed both sides. Social isolation and people living in fear is a major problem in rural Ireland and needs to be highlighted.

No coincidence that crime rates (Burglary) have since dropped and great that the law has been changed.

redzerologhlen · 13-03-2012 12:09AM

Seanchai wrote: »

It was good alright. The case attracted a lot of bigoted anti-traveller morons. But at the same time I think very, very many people on farms especially have a genuine fear of travellers coming on their property. I can certainly appreciate why very many would deem Pádraig Nally to be a 'hero'. I think he was right, but I don't like people using it for some wider anti-traveller attack.

I wouldnt call him a hero to be honest and dont think anyone should but I agree with the rest of what you said. If it happened to be the pope that was breaking into him and harassing him I reckoned he would have shot him. Nothing to do with your man being a traveller and more to do with him being a common c**t!!

wellboy76 · 13-03-2012 12:10AM

Seanchai wrote: »

It was good alright. The case attracted a lot of bigoted anti-traveller morons. But at the same time I think very, very many people on farms especially have a genuine fear of travellers coming on their property. I can certainly appreciate why very many would deem Pádraig Nally to be a 'hero'. I think he was right, but I don't like people using it for some wider anti-traveller attack.

Not just farmers. Pretty much any small business is the same. Where I grew up, we were terrorised by the halting site a mile up the road and never by the same bunch. Lost count of the amount of dogs we had that were murdered, at least half a dozen (as the guards called it - they were taking away their bark). Pro traveller groups are entitled to their view but if they had to put up with the thieving and intimidation we were subjected to throughout the years as individuals, I'd say there would have been some different opinions.

mikemac1 · 13-03-2012 12:11AM

Owen_S wrote: »

It was decent, although Charlie Bird should be replaced with Bill O'Herlihy IMO.

If Bill was on boards.ie he would be banned as a troll

He's a very sharp and intelligent man but he acts dumb and winds up his panel just to draw a reaction

It works anyway and he is well paid for his RTÉ work

Owen_S · 13-03-2012 12:22AM

mikemac1 wrote: »

If Bill was on boards.ie he would be banned as a troll

He's a very sharp and intelligent man but he acts dumb and winds up his panel just to draw a reaction

It works anyway and he is well paid for his RTÉ work

Yeah I was surprised myself to learn of his past journalism work with RTE in that TV50 show about him, intriguing stuff, in an overall sense, live.

benway · 13-03-2012 12:33AM

micropig wrote: »

No coincidence that crime rates (Burglary) have since dropped and great that the law has been changed.

How do you figure that? Have figures even been released?

Gonna attract a sh!t storm for saying this, but Nally basically murdered the guy in cold blood, he's no hero.

M cebee · 13-03-2012 12:38AM

benway wrote: »

micropig wrote: »

No coincidence that crime rates (Burglary) have since dropped and great that the law has been changed.

How do you figure that? Have figures even been released?

Gonna attract a sh!t storm for saying this, but Nally basically murdered the guy in cold blood, he's no hero.

you won't
burglary levels have risen im sure
more to do with recession

Seanchai · 13-03-2012 12:46AM

micropig wrote: »

I thought it was quite well done, he interviewed both sides. Social isolation and people living in fear is a major problem in rural Ireland and needs to be highlighted.

This. Hugely. I only realised it in the past year talking to people from a farming area. They laughed it off (if fairness these people at this stage laughed everything off) but the stories they had of certain members of the travelling community poking their noses around farm yards and being run off and the occupants being in fear thereafter that their farm equipment/tools and home would be robbed was heart rendering (they weren't laughing when talking about the sleepless nights).

The "yo boss" types are a massive problem to farming communities. They are a law unto themselves. Meanwhile elderly farmers in isolated areas live in fear across Ireland.

micropig · 13-03-2012 12:49AM

benway wrote: »

How do you figure that? Have figures even been released?

Gonna attract a sh!t storm for saying this, but Nally basically murdered the guy in cold blood, he's no hero.

Jeesh! The PC Brigade arrived quicker than I though:rolleyes: Ok So, Hows these for figures:p

2004Q4 last 1/4 2004
0712 ,22 ,Mayo Garda Division

Burglary (not aggravated) 63

2005Q1 1st 1/4 2005
0712 ,22 ,Mayo Garda Division

Burglary (not aggravated) 45

*Not saying these has any connection to what we are talking about, they are just figures from the Central Statics office of crime rates in the Mayo division , nothing else is being implied....etc:D

http://www.cso.ie/px/pxeirestat/Statire/SelectVarVal/Define.asp?maintable=cjq03

micropig · 13-03-2012 12:51AM

Seanchai wrote: »

This. Hugely. I only realised it in the past year talking to people from a farming area. They laughed it off (if fairness these people at this stage laughed everything off) but the stories they had of certain members of the travelling community poking their noses around farm yards and being run off and the occupants being in fear thereafter that their farm equipment/tools and home would be robbed was heart rendering (they weren't laughing when talking about the sleepless nights).

The "yo boss" types are a massive problem to farming communities. They are a law unto themselves. Meanwhile elderly farmers in isolated areas live in fear across Ireland.

And if they get wind of a funeral....well that's your house robbed:D

washman3 · 13-03-2012 01:04AM

benway wrote: »

How do you figure that? Have figures even been released?

Gonna attract a sh!t storm for saying this, but Nally basically murdered the guy in cold blood, he's no hero.

Figures released on a previous Primetime programme. will try and dig it out somewhere,but showed a massive decrease in burglaries in the Mayo/Galway area after the death on Nally's farm.

BTW hows life behind the "gated community" in Dublin 4

dermo88 · 13-03-2012 01:32AM

Benway

Gonna attract a sh!t storm for saying this, but Nally basically murdered the guy in cold blood, he's no hero.

Your blind "respect" for the law is impractical. I suppose you need to phone the Gardai if I drop around to put in a nice bit of carpet.

woodoo · 13-03-2012 01:47AM

benway wrote: »

How do you figure that? Have figures even been released?

Gonna attract a sh!t storm for saying this, but Nally basically murdered the guy in cold blood, he's no hero.

You can be sure his blood was anything but cold on that day.

Agricola · 13-03-2012 01:53AM

I think its fair to say, at the end of the day, in an overall sense that Nally is maybe a joker short of a full deck of cards, an it was that unstable mindset which led him to go off the deep end, you could say, and take the ultimate step in dealing with his problem......................would you agree with that now Eamonn, HAH, HAH? .... Live.

M cebee · 13-03-2012 01:55AM

Agricola wrote: »

I think its fair to say, at the end of the day, in an overall sense that Nally is maybe a joker short of a full deck of cards, an it was that unstable mindset which led him to go off the deep end, you could say, and take the ultimate step in dealing with his problem......................would you agree with that now Eamonn, HAH, HAH? .... Live.

eamonn who

RossieGooner · 13-03-2012 02:44AM

Great program that addressed a number of issues:

1 - Ward was not killed because he was a traveller. He was killed beacuse he was serial scumbag with mulitiple previous convictions (80+ i believe) and bench warrants out on him, who saw Nally as a handy target. Going into this man's property 4 times uninvited over a month and the last time with his son meant he was only there for only one reason. His son at least saw sense and skipped it the last time.
2 - The legal system that allows the likes of Ward to be out in rural ireland terrorising people needs looking at. We jail people for not paying €50 fines and the likes of this scumbag gets freedom of the land.... something wrong there.
3 - The level of support for Nally in rural Ireland is not exaggerated. You go to any rural community anywhere on this island and you will hear stories about people being found coming out of people's houses, sheds ,etc and almost making a joke of being caught doing same. In almost EVERY case it is a traveller.
4 - Pavee Point and others like them need to face up to the fact that there are people within their own community are scumbags, and they cant keep blaming the "meejah", settled community, guards, misunderstanding of their "culture". Sooner they accept responsiblity, the sooner they'll get mainstream respect. In fairness one of the Tuam traveller reps seemed to get this - the other was stuck in "meejah" blame mode.

Anyone who has not lived in rural Ireland and experienced a dark wet winters night on their own really has no idea of how isolated and frightening it can be, and cannot possibly relate to Nally's state of mind or what he was going through.

PS - I live in rural Ireland and if anyone would keep coming back to my home uninvitedand threatening me, id probably do the same as Nally.

The_Kew_Tour · 13-03-2012 02:50AM

benway wrote: »

How do you figure that? Have figures even been released?

Gonna attract a sh!t storm for saying this, but Nally basically murdered the guy in cold blood, he's no hero.

It's all cold blood till it's on your own doorstep!

dermo88 · 13-03-2012 03:21AM

I was unjustly banned back in 2005 for stating my opinion on this issue. In fact it was one of my first posts on this site.

Nally was just an ordinary man thrust into extraordinary circumstances. The trial was divisive and a sentence had to be given to make an example on one hand, plus there was the 'racial' element of the crime on the other.

I do put 'racial' in inverted comma's because Travellers essentially think they are a seperate grouping in order to claim their rights.

I however have a rather right wing argument. Although granted, I won't openly state what i really do think and get banned. But I'll say this much.

If Travellers wish to be a seperate racial group, can they exercise their responsibilities a bit more. And in particular, exercise one right in particular.

That right. ....the right to remain silent. And stay that way until they bloody well behave themselves.

How Ward, with multiple convictions was not dealt with by the judicial and legal system is a grave indictment of that system. Certain kinds of solutions need to be considered to deal with the likes of Ward, which I will leave to your fertile imagination.

mikom · 13-03-2012 03:26AM

John ‘Frog’ Ward’s previous convictions numbered 80 and were spread over 38 court appearances. All court appearances, bar two, were in district courts.

Ward served a number of prison sentences. At the time of his death he was awaiting trial arising out of an incident at Carrowbrowne Halting Site on April 15, 2004 when he was alleged to have produced a slash hook to gardaí.

The court also heard how there were four bench warrants issued for the arrest of Mr Ward that were not executed at the time of his death.

No loss.

Dudess · 13-03-2012 03:59AM

Nally was scared out of his wits (although bollocks to say he was a frail old man - he was 60) and had a right to defend himself, Ward - what a lowlife (traveller or not) and deserved to be taught a lesson... but not killed. Too far. Although I can see how Nally would have been in such desperation and fear to the point of doing something irrational.

Stinicker · 13-03-2012 04:47AM

Nally was right to shoot him and I'd have done exactly the same thing if the likes of Ward pushed me to it. The biggest disgrace of all was to Jail Nally when scumbag criminals like Ward were allowed to roam the streets.

Shotgun_TEXAS · 13-03-2012 05:05AM

anyone that breaks in to my house will get it! even the way things have gone I have often thought if im pulling in, and I see a van pulling out ill ram it lets face it there would not be a 12 hiace in my house.
Nally did what he felt he needed to do.
And for Collette Fitzpatrick on midweek saying he was wrong, his spokesman was wrong and that keane man was wrong to say in lisa's case bla bla (think it was lisa) cant wait to see her privacy violated and someone threatining to cut her bodyparts off see what she says!

wellboy76 · 13-03-2012 09:03PM

dermo88 wrote: »

I was unjustly banned back in 2005 for stating my opinion on this issue. In fact it was one of my first posts on this site.

Nally was just an ordinary man thrust into extraordinary circumstances. The trial was divisive and a sentence had to be given to make an example on one hand, plus there was the 'racial' element of the crime on the other.

I do put 'racial' in inverted comma's because Travellers essentially think they are a seperate grouping in order to claim their rights.

I however have a rather right wing argument. Although granted, I won't openly state what i really do think and get banned. But I'll say this much.

If Travellers wish to be a seperate racial group, can they exercise their responsibilities a bit more. And in particular, exercise one right in particular.

That right. ....the right to remain silent. And stay that way until they bloody well behave themselves.

How Ward, with multiple convictions was not dealt with by the judicial and legal system is a grave indictment of that system. Certain kinds of solutions need to be considered to deal with the likes of Ward, which I will leave to your fertile imagination.

Get them to occupy Rockall

Padraig Nally documentary on RTÉ2

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