What do you define as "Football"

Dyr · 11-03-2012 02:46PM

why don't you go and ask your association...Feefah?

Mickeroo · 11-03-2012 03:13PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VF_uOgyBK1c

I generally call soccer football and Gaelic either gaelic or gaelic football. Don't watch gaelic though.

Killer Wench · 11-03-2012 03:18PM

Football = huge, padded men throwing an oval shaped ball and kicking that ball around at odd occasions

Soccer = tiny, little men with big thigh muscles that run around in shorts that fall to the ground in petulant fits at odd occasions

kincsem · 11-03-2012 03:20PM

Football: an Englishman talking about soccer.

LordSutch · 11-03-2012 03:21PM

fryup wrote: »

so you are a shinner

Probably is with an attitude like that, but getting back to the Football, I grew up here in south Dublin, and everybody around us called association Football 'Football' we watched match of the day, and we played football in Blackrock park, I even played with Paul McGrath for a while (never any mention of soccer), I played football with my school team, and we called it football too, simple as! GAA football never really registered on our radar, and I think I was in my mid 20s when I became aware of Gaa football, this is my personal experience in the 70s & 80s.

Surely there is a Gaelic/Irish term for the Gaa game, instead of the very English term Football?

Mickeroo · 11-03-2012 03:26PM

Killer Wench wrote: »

Football = huge, fat, padded men throwing an oval shaped ball and kicking that ball around at odd occasions

Soccer = tiny, little fit, athletic men with big thigh muscles that run around in shorts that fall to the ground in petulant fits at odd occasions

fyp

Seanchai · 11-03-2012 03:41PM

kincsem wrote: »

Football: an Englishman talking about soccer.

This.

Seanchai · 11-03-2012 03:52PM

LordSutch wrote: »

Probably is with an attitude like that, but getting back to the Football, I grew up here in south Dublin, and everybody around us called association Football 'Football' we watched match of the day, and we played football in Blackrock park, I even played with Paul McGrath for a while (never any mention of soccer), I played football with my school team, and we called it football too, simple as! GAA football never really registered on our radar, and I think I was in my mid 20s when I became aware of Gaa football, this is my personal experience in the 70s & 80s.

Surely there is a Gaelic/Irish term for the Gaa game, instead of the very English term Football?

Judging by your pointedly very British nationalist posts - particularly one today where you're wondering (mar dhea) what 'Seachtain na Gaeilge' means - I doubt the veracity of your "I'm Irish" claim, although asking the question was of course part of your political purpose here.

At any rate, you're not going to like the bolded part:

'football
open-air game, first recorded c.1400; see foot + ball (1). Forbidden in a Scottish statute of 1424. The first reference to the ball itself is late 15c. Figurative sense of "something idly kicked around" is first recorded 1530s. Ball-kicking games date back to the Roman legions, at least, but the sport seems to have risen to a national obsession in England, c.1630. Rules first regularized at Cambridge, 1848; soccer (q.v.) split off in 1863. The U.S. style (known to some in England as "stop-start rugby with padding") evolved gradually 19c.; the first true collegiate game is considered to have been played Nov. 6, 1869, between Princeton and Rutgers, at Rutgers, but the rules there were more like soccer. A rematch at Princeton Nov. 13, with the home team's rules, was true U.S. football. The earliest recorded application of the word football to this is from 1881.'

Source: Online Etymology Dictionary

In other words, soccer split from football and is now just one of the many types of football played in the world. Indeed, as has been pointed out here before the above Cambridge Rules which were the basis for the game of soccer which was invented in 1863 was much more like Gaelic Football than it was like soccer, allowing as it did use of the hands. To put this another way: what was known as "football" in England prior to the invention of soccer in 1863 was radically different to what became known as "football" following the establishment of Association Football in that year. What sort of true Brit would ignore centuries of British history of what defined "football"? A very nationalistic one, of course.

Killer Wench · 11-03-2012 03:58PM

Mickeroo wrote: »

fyp

Put that away. Your jealousy is showing.

http://bossip.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/regggie-bush.jpg

Nom nom nom.

later12 · 11-03-2012 04:03PM

Cereal Rapist wrote: »

Depends where you live IMO.

Ireland - Football = GAA

Rest of the world - Football = Soccer

Not at all.

It depends where you live in Ireland as well.

For example, where I come from within Tipperary, hardly anybody plays Gaelic football. The biggest sport is hurling; Gaelic football doesn't feature. Everyone in our primary school used football for the soccer version. It's not just an Irish vs foreign thing, it also depends very much on where you come from within Ireland.

LordSutch · 11-03-2012 04:05PM

Seanchai wrote: »

Judging by your pointedly very British nationalist posts - particularly one today where you're wondering (mar dhea) what 'Seachtain na Gaeilge' means - I doubt the veracity of your "I'm Irish" claim, although asking the question was of course part of your political purpose here.

I had no idea what 'Seachtain na Gaeilge' meant, and seeing as I am not an Irish speaker I had to ask another poster, who very kindly informed me. As regards your "I'm Irish" remark, well I just dont speak Irish, but I did play football as a young man (no hands allowed) unless you were in goal

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Seanchai · 11-03-2012 04:23PM

LordSutch wrote: »

I had no idea what 'Seachtain na Gaeilge' meant, and seeing as I am not an Irish speaker I had to ask another poster, who very kindly informed me. As regards your "I'm Irish" remark, well I just dont speak Irish, but I did play football as a young man (no hands allowed) unless you were in goal )

Come now, your true feelings are much more than that, aren't they? You're also on record as a staunch supporter of wearing the British poppy, glorifying those people who fought for the British Empire, and believing all Irish who fought against it were "terrorists". Your latest insistence that soccer=football is part of your very British nationalist outlook on Irish-British issues.

K-9 · 11-03-2012 05:01PM

later12 wrote: »

Not at all.

It depends where you live in Ireland as well.

For example, where I come from within Tipperary, hardly anybody plays Gaelic football. The biggest sport is hurling; Gaelic football doesn't feature. Everyone in our primary school used football for the soccer version. It's not just an Irish vs foreign thing, it also depends very much on where you come from within Ireland.

And in parts of South Donegal about 20 years ago there wasn't even soccer clubs, though a lot have sprang up since, the football team was the Gaelic team and many national schools would only have had Gaelic teams.

I'd say other strong Gaelic areas would have been the same, Mayo, Roscommon, Kerry etc. The League of Ireland is a good example of how soccer is strongest on the Eastern coast, particularly around the Pale!

with pockets of other areas around the country.

That is changing, even Tralee had a club apply to join the League so it's becoming more and more irrelevant.

Still, the Gaelic attracts by far the largest attendances in the country so I'd say has the right to be called football!

44leto · 11-03-2012 05:11PM

Seanchai wrote: »

Judging by your pointedly very British nationalist posts - particularly one today where you're wondering (mar dhea) what 'Seachtain na Gaeilge' means - I doubt the veracity of your "I'm Irish" claim, although asking the question was of course part of your political purpose here.

At any rate, you're not going to like the bolded part:

'football
open-air game, first recorded c.1400; see foot + ball (1). Forbidden in a Scottish statute of 1424. The first reference to the ball itself is late 15c. Figurative sense of "something idly kicked around" is first recorded 1530s. Ball-kicking games date back to the Roman legions, at least, but the sport seems to have risen to a national obsession in England, c.1630. Rules first regularized at Cambridge, 1848; soccer (q.v.) split off in 1863. The U.S. style (known to some in England as "stop-start rugby with padding") evolved gradually 19c.; the first true collegiate game is considered to have been played Nov. 6, 1869, between Princeton and Rutgers, at Rutgers, but the rules there were more like soccer. A rematch at Princeton Nov. 13, with the home team's rules, was true U.S. football. The earliest recorded application of the word football to this is from 1881.'

Source: Online Etymology Dictionary

In other words, soccer split from football and is now just one of the many types of football played in the world. Indeed, as has been pointed out here before the above Cambridge Rules which were the basis for the game of soccer which was invented in 1863 was much more like Gaelic Football than it was like soccer, allowing as it did use of the hands. To put this another way: what was known as "football" in England prior to the invention of soccer in 1863 was radically different to what became known as "football" following the establishment of Association Football in that year. What sort of true Brit would ignore centuries of British history of what defined "football"? A very nationalistic one, of course.

Just curious surely you can be anti Irish and Irish and does it really matter, what you call a field game. I have played and watched both the Ga and football, so I to term it that way as well, I am from the northside of Dublin. Born and rared.

There is nothing wrong with being proud of where you are from, but IMO there is something very wrong about being overly proud of where you are from. I will not entertain the belief that I am superior or better then any other person because of the geographical place of their birth or how they term a field game.

I like sport, although my interest in soccer has waned, I still love the Ga and a good game of rugby. I really have no interest in the history of these games just the entertainment I gather from them.

I also like boxing, I always thought that strange, my father seen Muhammad Ali box in Croke park way before they repealed rule 27. Now boxing is a British sport.

Mickeroo · 11-03-2012 05:41PM

Killer Wench wrote: »

Put that away. Your jealousy is showing.

http://bossip.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/regggie-bush.jpg

Nom nom nom.

Give me this any day :pac:

MaxyJazz · 11-03-2012 05:44PM

"Football" is the beautiful game! Or as Ruud Gullit puts it "sexy game"

Buceph · 11-03-2012 06:10PM

theteal wrote: »

so soccer should be renamed head-shoulder-chest-thigh-knee-balls-football?

:pac:

And toes and toes.

And eyes and ears and mouth and nose.

Head, shoulders, knees and toes, knees and toes ball.

LordSutch · 11-03-2012 07:28PM

Seanchai wrote: »

Come now, your true feelings are much more than that, aren't they? You're also on record as a staunch supporter of wearing the British poppy . . .

Bloody hell, what's this? a witch hunt against non Shinners? :rolleyes:

Concentrate on the topic in hand Seanchai, we are talking Football here (of all codes).

Jimoslimos · 11-03-2012 08:30PM

If the Aussies can get by referring to every sport played with a ball(rugby, league & union, aussie rules) as "footie", then surely we can do likewise, without getting into arguments over semantics.

For the record,

Gaelic Football: Football, GAA, Gaelic (depending on where I am and who I'm speaking to)
Association Football: Football, Soccer (depending on where I am and who I'm speaking to)

Killer Wench · 11-03-2012 08:47PM

Mickeroo wrote: »

Give me this any day :pac:

He looks like the oldest twelve year old ever to live.

Duckworth_Luas · 11-03-2012 08:53PM

Killer Wench wrote: »

He looks like the oldest twelve year old ever to live.

Check out his tackle!

Funglegunk · 11-03-2012 09:38PM

*Yawn*

Wattle · 11-03-2012 09:41PM

Christ eight whole pages on this?

Killer Wench · 11-03-2012 09:44PM

Duckworth_Luas wrote: »

Check out his tackle!

I really hate you at this moment.

Nodferatu · 11-03-2012 09:46PM

a bunch of pussies who run around a field for 90 minutes and when the get tapped, go flying to the ground crying like a little bi**h whinging and moaning over a little scratch.

Mickeroo · 11-03-2012 09:48PM

Nodferatu wrote: »

a bunch of pussies who run around a field for 90 minutes and when the get tapped, go flying to the ground crying like a little bi**h whinging and moaning over a little scratch.

You misunderstand, they're usually not actually hurt, they do it so they can give their team an advantage in the game, albeit an ill-gotten advantage.

Morricone · 11-03-2012 09:53PM

Teyla Emmagan wrote: »

Something boring that men go on and on and on and on about.

Bolloxs. If it is so boring then why do tens of millions attend matches every week and hundreds of millions watch on television.

Captain Slow IRL wrote: »

Sh*te that demands an instant change of channel, or just plain ignorance through any other source!

I think you'll find that you are in fact the ignorant one.

Deleted User wrote: »

About 22 sissy men prancing after a ball, taking every opportunity to dive.

Bolloxs. You clearly haven't a clue about the game of football. This myth is absolute ****e of the highest order. What about Keith Earls diving yesterday. Is Rugby suddenly a game where they take every opportunity to dive?

DannyKing wrote: »

i call it gay

I call you a clown.

44leto wrote: »

Football is game with a cultural local meaning, professional soccer is a game played with a football by 2 opposing bunches of millionaires representing a PLC.

You don't think football is a game with cultural meaning? Maybe explain that to the Basques and the Catalans. While you're at it, tell the Iraqi team that won the Asian Cup in 2007 that it wasn't a cultural thing. Sure their dedications to the Iraqi people and the dead Iraqi's wasn't cultural. You and you're kind really haven't a fúcking notion, not a fúcking clue.

44leto wrote: »

And diving and crying like a girl.

Again this is pure and utter grade A bollocks. This happens far, far less than the popular myth. But don't let things such as facts get in the way of a good ignorant display of your bolloxsology.

Amirani · 11-03-2012 10:02PM

I don't live particularly close to any farms so therefore football = soccer.

44leto · 11-03-2012 10:08PM

Morricone wrote: »

:pac::pac::pac::pac::pac:

There FYP.

HappyBalance · 11-03-2012 10:26PM

In Ireland, when sbdy says football I always ask do you mean soccer or GAA.

In my mind, soccer is football but doesn't really matter.

What do you define as "Football"

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