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State spending €3million on communion rituals

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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,038 ✭✭✭sponsoredwalk


    ninja900 wrote: »
    <verbose irrelevance snipped>
    ninja900 wrote: »
    If 3 million is such a trifling sum, why doesn't the Catholic Church offer to pay it?
    King Mob wrote: »
    Because it is to highlight the hypocrisy in Lucy's position. No doubt this vital and important service will suddenly become not as vital if the onus to pay it shifts to the people who are pushing this event in the schools and who claim to be charitable.
    I know you were aiming for some sort of counterexample as a means to
    highlight hypocrisy but notice the question in my post (pre-empting this
    response) that asked the question "why" those greedy fcukers should be
    forced to pay for this. Not to tout my own horn but I even went into the
    specifics of why they shouldn't be paying for this as a further means to
    highlight how much of a non-counterexample your question was. They
    have their own justifications for not paying for this (which I've already
    mentioned, & can easily be checked).

    Notice why I bothered to mention this:

    Because even if we assume that they should be forced to pay for this
    (i.e. if we indulge you in your attempt at highlighting hypocrisy) they
    have their own iron-clad reasons not to pay for it because it goes against
    the spirit of what they are aiming for on the day which implies, again if
    logic has anything to do with this conversation, that the religious aspects
    of the day are nothing more than coincidental in this milestone social
    event. There's a reason why another poster in another thread recently
    offered up Alton Towers as a means to satiate a child from worrying
    about not partaking in their communion rituals & I think we all know it
    wasn't offered as a means to lull the child into forgetting the sense of
    spiritual loss they'll feel for not having been in church that day...

    Thus the example fails on two grounds, A) indicating how it's even
    relevant, B) when examined it just illustrates the very point you all
    are arguing against in the first place.
    ninja900 wrote: »
    <verbose irrelevance snipped>
    ninja900 wrote: »
    If 3 million is such a trifling sum, why doesn't the Catholic Church offer to pay it?
    King Mob wrote: »
    Because it is to highlight the hypocrisy in Lucy's position. No doubt this vital and important service will suddenly become not as vital if the onus to pay it shifts to the people who are pushing this event in the schools and who claim to be charitable.
    I know you were aiming for some sort of counterexample as a means to
    highlight hypocrisy but notice the question in my post (pre-empting this
    response) that asked the question "why" those greedy fcukers should be
    forced to pay for this. Not to tout my own horn but I even went into the
    specifics of why they shouldn't be paying for this as a further means to
    highlight how much of a non-counterexample your question was. They
    have their own justifications for not paying for this (which I've already
    mentioned, & can easily be checked).

    Notice why I bothered to mention this:

    Because even if we assume that they should be forced to pay for this
    (i.e. if we indulge you in your attempt at highlighting hypocrisy) they
    have their own iron-clad reasons not to pay for it because it goes against
    the spirit of what they are aiming for on the day which implies, again if
    logic has anything to do with this conversation, that the religious aspects
    of the day are nothing more than coincidental in this milestone social
    event. There's a reason why another poster in another thread recently
    offered up Alton Towers as a means to satiate a child from worrying
    about not partaking in their communion rituals & I think we all know it
    wasn't offered as a means to lull the child into forgetting the sense of
    spiritual loss they'll feel for not having been in church that day...

    Thus the example fails on two grounds, A) indicating how it's even
    relevant, B) when examined it just illustrates the very point you all
    are arguing against in the first place.

    Now I can't paint any clearer evidence of the insanity of this thread than
    this, posting insults that refer to my post as irrelevant despite the fact
    that the very portion of the post he referred to as "verbose irrelevance"
    specifically
    responded, & I mean specifically, to the question (s)he asks
    me. Just pick up a shovel and fling as much mud as possible as quick
    as possible with deft regard to logic...
    ninja900 wrote: »
    Here's an idea - why not take it out of your church collection?

    My church collection? Oh the assumptions keep coming...


  • Registered Users Posts: 34,080 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    The verbose stuff was above the part I replied to. In other words, stuff I chose to ignore because it adds nothing to the discussion. That's not an insult.
    Your last post doesn't add much - that's not an insult, either.
    Thanks for the thanks button, I suppose, though (...but why?)

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,038 ✭✭✭sponsoredwalk


    ninja900 wrote: »
    The verbose stuff was above the part I replied to. In other words, stuff I chose to ignore because it adds nothing to the discussion. That's not an insult.
    Your last post doesn't add much - that's not an insult, either.
    Thanks for the thanks button, I suppose, though (...but why?)

    Except for the fact that it precisely answers your question in considerable
    detail...


  • Registered Users Posts: 34,080 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Except for the fact that it precisely answers your question in considerable
    detail...

    OK. I'll indulge. There was a lot of spelling and grammar lames. Then this:
    I know you were aiming for some sort of counterexample as a means to
    highlight hypocrisy but notice the question in my post (pre-empting this
    response) that asked the question "why" those greedy fcukers should be
    forced to pay for this. Not to tout my own horn but I even went into the
    specifics of why they shouldn't be paying for this as a further means to
    highlight how much of a non-counterexample your question was. They
    have their own justifications for not paying for this (which I've already
    mentioned, & can easily be checked).

    Notice why I bothered to mention this:

    Because even if we assume that they should be forced to pay for this
    (i.e. if we indulge you in your attempt at highlighting hypocrisy) they
    have their own iron-clad reasons not to pay for it because it goes against
    the spirit of what they are aiming for on the day which implies, again if
    logic has anything to do with this conversation, that the religious aspects
    of the day are nothing more than coincidental in this milestone social
    event. There's a reason why another poster in another thread recently
    offered up Alton Towers as a means to satiate a child from worrying
    about not partaking in their communion rituals & I think we all know it
    wasn't offered as a means to lull the child into forgetting the sense of
    spiritual loss they'll feel for not having been in church that day...

    Thus the example fails on two grounds, A) indicating how it's even
    relevant, B) when examined it just illustrates the very point you all
    are arguing against in the first place.

    I've seen Scientologists make more sense than that.

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,558 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    sponsoredwalk, your odd formatting is really irritating. Can I be any more clear? The indignation you express at the remarks you've received because of it are somewhat pointless because they themselves are irritating to read.

    Instead of lambasting others for having headaches reading your formatting, why not post in a manner those of us who read English text are accustomed to? This is your affectation, so the responses you get are your problem.

    On topic, as ninja900 suggests, do you really think the 1 cent argument holds water? What severely-cut resources couldn't use 1 cent from everyone?

    The point being there are far more valuable things that lack your 1 cent than a day out for those of a single religious persuasion.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,038 ✭✭✭sponsoredwalk


    Dades wrote: »
    sponsoredwalk, your odd formatting is really irritating. Can I be any more clear? The indignation you express at the remarks you've received because of it are somewhat pointless because they themselves are irritating to read.

    Instead of lambasting others for having headaches reading your formatting, why not post in a manner those of us who read English text are accustomed to? This is your affectation, so the responses you get are your problem.

    I'm sure you similarly write into magazines & journals like nature etc...
    lambasting them for formatting their text in a manner different to that
    which you expect & just demand others conform to, because...

    I consider it extremely irrational for people to even care about the way
    my posts are shaped & could care less if people have headaches reading
    them considering the fact that* in the real world people will just be
    forced, as evil as such a heinous concept is, to encounter portions of
    text shaped in a way they don't expect & would never even begin to
    start bemoaning the stark reality that their A4 page has column-style
    text in those situations. Life is sometimes cruel alright. The logic of
    this is equivalent to not liking people who use big words & similar
    nonsense... Do you really & truly not see how ridiculous this is?

    I'm having a very hard time distinguishing this situation from historical
    situations in which men were criticized for having long hair, or wearing
    womens clothes, or doing anything people consider out of the ordinary
    because some people just can't personally cope with the extreme mental
    dissonance that comes out of seeing the other destroying a narrow
    worldview you just don't expect & don't want to accept. You'd think
    atheists would be among the first to understand the pettiness involved
    in forcing others to submit to arbitrary standards...

    Also I hardly think of this as a coincidence that the passion devoted to
    focusing on my posts is not similarly displayed with regard to my
    arguments highlighting how ridiculous the 7 pages of righteous claims
    about the topic of the thread were.

    Btw this is getting insanely boring trying to teach people acceptance 101
    & still shocking nobody else notices how awful all of this is...
    Dades wrote: »
    On topic, as ninja900 suggests, do you really think the 1 cent argument holds water? What severely-cut resources couldn't use 1 cent from everyone?

    The point being there are far more valuable things that lack your 1 cent than a day out for those of a single religious persuasion.

    This response, again, highlights the problem with referring to portions of
    text in general without going through it line by line & analyzing the
    context in which it was posted. If it wasn't so common in this thread
    I'd respond with a bit more detail illustrating exactly how your response
    is just totally out of context but considering the petty regularity with
    which I'm quoted as a means to simply retort to my points ignoring
    everything I write I'll just save time & refer you to my response just
    imploring you to read the actual sentences I wrote, noting why I
    wrote what I wrote (notice I did offer an explanation in the hopes of
    avoiding this exact response, it's a muscle you develop).

    *This indicates an explanation is being offered for the antecedent claim being made &
    indicates that to respond to the claim being made you should respond to the explanation of the
    sentence rather than the sentence, in other words giving out abut the fact that I don't care if
    people have headache's should be accompanied with an argument for why such headache's
    aren't ridiculous, irrational, petty, hypocritical, etc...


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,788 ✭✭✭MrPudding


    I'm sure you similarly write into magazines & journals like nature etc...
    lambasting them for formatting their text in a manner different to that
    which you expect & just demand others conform to, because...

    I consider it extremely irrational for people to even care about the way
    my posts are shaped & could care less if people have headaches reading
    them considering the fact that* in the real world people will just be
    forced, as evil as such a heinous concept is, to encounter portions of
    text shaped in a way they don't expect & would never even begin to
    start bemoaning the stark reality that their A4 page has column-style
    text in those situations. Life is sometimes cruel alright. The logic of
    this is equivalent to not liking people who use big words & similar
    nonsense... Do you really & truly not see how ridiculous this is?

    The fact that you appear to be unable to comprehend that your posting style is irritating is neither here nor there. Why is it irrational for someone to care about something that is difficult to read? I find your posts incredibly difficult to read. I mostly read boards on my phone these days and your posting style is absolutely hideous for that. Why should I not point that out? It is actually almost painful to read them. I don't think it is irrational to point this out and respectfully ask, as I and others have done on a number of occasions, if there is a particular reason for you posting like this.

    As you are not doubt aware, you have not get given anyone an answer. You may very have have an excellent reason for this posting style, but thus far any requests for a reason seem only to be met with protestations of graphic design persecution.
    I'm having a very hard time distinguishing this situation from historical
    situations in which men were criticized for having long hair, or wearing
    womens clothes, or doing anything people consider out of the ordinary
    because some people just can't personally cope with the extreme mental
    dissonance that comes out of seeing the other destroying a narrow
    worldview you just don't expect & don't want to accept. You'd think
    atheists would be among the first to understand the pettiness involved
    in forcing others to submit to arbitrary standards...

    As an ex-long haired bloke I don't really mind other men with long hair. Besides this, men with long hair don't cause me discomfort. I am not trying to force you to conform with any standards, by the way, I am simply trying to work something out. I currently have to balance the value of your posts against the difficulty of reading them. Up until now the balance has been in favour of reading your posts. More recently, particularly with your rather irritating claims of persecution, the balance is shifting more to the "not worth the hassle of reading." Now, and this is why i have asked you a number of time why you post like this, if there was a good reason for this particular posting style then I might persevere and continue to read them.

    Please do not confuse this with an unwillingness to read the actual content of your posts. Whilst I may not agree with a lot of what you say, particularly in this thread, I actually don't mind reading it. One of the thing I enjoy most about boards is reading opposing opinions, I just don't enjoyy it enough to get a headache every time I do.
    Also I hardly think of this as a coincidence that the passion devoted to
    focusing on my posts is not similarly displayed with regard to my
    arguments highlighting how ridiculous the 7 pages of righteous claims
    about the topic of the thread were.
    Have you ever considered that this might actually be due to the manner in which you post?
    Btw this is getting insanely boring trying to teach people acceptance 101
    & still shocking nobody else notices how awful all of this is…
    Acceptance of your posting style or acceptance that taxpayers should pay for piss ups?


    This response, again, highlights the problem with referring to portions of
    text in general without going through it line by line & analyzing the
    context in which it was posted. If it wasn't so common in this thread
    I'd respond with a bit more detail illustrating exactly how your response
    is just totally out of context but considering the petty regularity with
    which I'm quoted as a means to simply retort to my points ignoring
    everything I write I'll just save time & refer you to my response just
    imploring you to read the actual sentences I wrote, noting why I
    wrote what I wrote (notice I did offer an explanation in the hopes of
    avoiding this exact response, it's a muscle you develop).

    *This indicates an explanation is being offered for the antecedent claim being made &
    indicates that to respond to the claim being made you should respond to the explanation of the
    sentence rather than the sentence, in other words giving out abut the fact that I don't care if
    people have headache's should be accompanied with an argument for why such headache's
    aren't ridiculous, irrational, petty, hypocritical, etc...
    How can a headache be irrational?

    Actually, if i were you I would not bother responding to any of the questions I have asked in this post. I am putting you on ignore so don't bother wasting your typing skills, such as they are, on a response.

    And good luck with the persecution problem. Typographical bigotry is a growing problem that probably does not get as much coverage as it should. Keep fighting the good fight. :rolleyes:

    MrP


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,536 ✭✭✭swampgas


    I'm sure you similarly write into magazines & journals like nature etc...
    lambasting them for formatting their text in a manner different to that
    which you expect & just demand others conform to, because...

    I consider it extremely irrational for people to even care about the way
    my posts are shaped & could care less if people have headaches reading
    them considering the fact that* in the real world people will just be
    forced, as evil as such a heinous concept is, to encounter portions of
    text shaped in a way they don't expect & would never even begin to
    start bemoaning the stark reality that their A4 page has column-style
    text in those situations. Life is sometimes cruel alright. The logic of
    this is equivalent to not liking people who use big words & similar
    nonsense... Do you really & truly not see how ridiculous this is?

    I find it really hard to read your posts. Formatting does matter.

    What you are missing is that you are posting to a web forum, not printing on paper. Web pages can be browsed in many ways, depending on whether the person is using a laptop, desktop, smartphone whatever. The crucial point is that the size of the window will vary. The browser software will adjust the flow of the text to fit the window. For this to work smoothly, it is important that the text does not have any "hard returns" embedded in it.

    What this means for you, is that you should just type into the text window and let the text wrap automatically. Only hit Enter/Return when you want to start a new paragraph. If you hit Enter/Return in the middle of a paragraph (when you think it is the end of the line), you will cause the formatting problem which is generating so much annoyance. Just keep typing and let the text wrap onto the next line automatically.

    Depending on how you have learnt to use a computer, this can be a very hard habit to break - I know I find myself hitting the Return key at the end of a line without even realising it. To check, I usually preview my posts, then change the size of browser window from narrow to wide. If I have accidentally embedded any Returns in the text, it becomes pretty obvious.


    Hope this helps.


  • Registered Users Posts: 17,736 ✭✭✭✭kylith


    I think we need to move past sponsoredwalk's posting style. He (I'm assuming it's a he) has been asked to post in a more easy to read style many times and his refusal to do so, in my opinion, says everything that needs to be known about his personality and regard for other people. He is not posting like that out of some mistaken belief that the return button must be pressed before he runs out of space in the text box, but because he enjoys the attention that he gets from irritating other people.

    I say that if we find them too hard to read then don't read them, and don't respond to them either. This is what I intend to do.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 48,494 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    do people who find sponsoredwalk's formatting style difficult to read also have trouble with newspaper columns?


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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,399 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    I consider it extremely irrational for people to even care about the way my posts are shaped & could care less if people have headaches reading
    them considering [...]
    You believe that people get headaches reading your posts, but insist that it's "extremely irrational" for people to avoid reading them?
    this is getting insanely boring trying to teach people acceptance 101
    That's your problem right there.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,771 ✭✭✭Mark Hamill


    do people who find sponsoredwalk's formatting style difficult to read also have trouble with newspaper columns?

    No, I dont, but newspaper columns are made to fit the width of the text box on the page, and all the columns in a given newspaper are usually the same size. I read boards at a fairly high resolution and everyone else's posts automatically fill the page width, regardless of the zoom, but you would need to zoom in a fairly huge amount for everyone else's to be the same width as sponsoredwalks posts (try it yourself, it must be the equivalent of 600x800 screen resolution).


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,558 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    do people who find sponsoredwalk's formatting style difficult to read also have trouble with newspaper columns?
    This is what it looks like on iPhone:

    photo_Small_1.png


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 10,516 Mod ✭✭✭✭5uspect


    I'm sure you similarly write into magazines & journals like nature etc...
    lambasting them for formatting their text in a manner different to that
    which you expect & just demand others conform to, because...

    Journals, like Nature, have strict rules on formatting that you have to adhere to if you wish to publish. Would you submit an article to a Journal and insist that they use your style requirements? If you were to copy your posts into a LaTeX template for a Journal it would ignore your use of new lines completely.

    The multi-column articles you link to are nothing like what you are writing since your text isn't justified or multi-column. You appear to be trying to force a single column justified format that the system here cannot even properly support and as a result is difficult to read since the lines end at random. It also depends on the screen or browser window size of the reader which means that your attempts to format your posts results in a random outcome for each reader. This shows that you (a) have no interest in the readability of your posts (b) don't understand how text wraps depending on screen/window size.

    Also has anyone noticed a shift from double column to single in Journals recently?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 32,865 ✭✭✭✭MagicMarker


    do people who find sponsoredwalk's formatting style difficult to read also have trouble with newspaper columns?

    Would you read a book that only has print on the left hand side of each page?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,485 ✭✭✭✭Ickle Magoo


    I've never seen nor read a newspaper which has such disjointed text, I can't imagine they'd be in business long if all their articles read like Dades's screenshot...


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,863 ✭✭✭mikhail


    5uspect wrote: »
    Also has anyone noticed a shift from double column to single in Journals recently?
    Not really. Everything I read regularly is still 2 column.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,971 ✭✭✭Lucy8080


    i like sponsoredwalks posts.

    If i miss the screen name when scrolling thru ...i can always tell its him by his style. And i always find his posts worth a read.

    I think this thread is done.Time to give dades a day off.

    The last point i would address is that the catholic church dont get this money.We know who gets it. And they are as likely to be agnostic/athiestic broke parents as committed catholics.

    A Polish person has already pointed out they do it different in poland...and i can confirm that for other countries...the ritual is the same...the irish dimension is different.

    And thats why this payment was not eliminated...the need is recognised...

    A two thirds cut to that need is drastic.

    We know the set up for communion weekend in ireland.

    And a fair assesment of what is the average spend will tell us we are leaving some families with a headache.

    The church does not get this money. The family does.

    The church will do this ritual free gratis.

    Irish tradition dictates the spend.


  • Moderators Posts: 51,719 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    Tradition is no excuse for stupidity. People need to get priorities straight. Spending money you don't have on a religious occasion that is free to attend is just daft.

    It's a government subsidy to pay for one day of over-indulgence. It's madness when the money could be diverted to families that really need it.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • Registered Users Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    Another thread bump with no new points.

    Harumph!


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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,038 ✭✭✭sponsoredwalk


    Dades wrote: »
    This is what it looks like on iPhone:

    photo_Small_1.png
    5uspect wrote: »
    This shows that you (a) have no interest in the readability of your posts (b) don't understand how text wraps depending on screen/window size.


    I had no idea that this would happen...

    I apologise but you'll have to forgive me, due to the fact that the focus shifts onto the shape of my posts AFTER I've gotten into an argument with someone on here & AFTER the moment they've lost all credibility I just naturally assumed it was the last refuge of the scoundrel to start off on my posts accompanied with no further explanation than "it's really annoying" or something like that. Judging by the size & detail of some of the responses I've been offered (from those making such comments) I thought they could hardly have even been posted on a mobile phone, let alone not being posted on a phone that couldn't handle such text (in which case I'd think you shouldn't be on the internet with such a junk phone) & really saw no other alternative than a means to divert attention from the topic being discussed. Furthermore this happens, again, in a thread in which all of you just pass over the many insults aimed at Lucy for the way (s)he posts, I think it's not too shocking to assume it's just more of that childish nonsense to then go for me.

    So I just had no idea phones did that. However if phones with small screens automatically adjust text based on hard returns then I can understand. Personally I thought writing text in this way would only be better for small screens like phones, but actually seeing that it's reformatted due to hard returns then I can understand & will stop. I really do mean that, it's always been after I've called out some nonsense on here that there's such an interest in the shape, rather than the content, of my posts...

    Surely you can understand how ridiculous it seems to focus so intensely on the shape of posts for no apparent reason (when you're unaware of the fact that it's reformatted automatically) other than that they are half the size of the other posts, especially considering the fact that every third page of a magazine will have different column styles (including ones whose lines are not linearly starting and ending (yes, even including nature...)).

    With all of this said it's still pretty bad form that the posting frequency goes up when it's my posts that are the topic of discussion but it goes down when insults against those with the opposing perspective are bandied about... Since we've logically found a way to stop me posting the way I did (:() I just ask you all to similarly analyze the posts by those on your own side of the argument with as equal a scrutiny as that devoted to my posts, & I'm not talking about the posts relevant to the topic of the thread I'm merely talking about the insults...
    robindch wrote: »
    this is getting insanely boring trying to teach people acceptance 101
    That's your problem right there.


    Everything I've said still stands, we're still waiting for somebody to even apologise for the insults to Lucy, let alone even call out the fact that other posters cheerily post insults that themselves carry major flaws, let alone mention the fact that it's just basically wrong to post insults, let alone even explain how the church is more than coincidental to the topic of the thread, let alone explain how even if the church was more than a coincidental this would not be nothing more than taking money from poor people even if it is the result of the middle class being forced to tighten up it's belt after the gluttonous excesses we all orgiastically indulged in during the late 90's, now feeling that good ol' catholic shame for losing ourselves to it all momentarily (quite a long moment)... All of this is the antithesis of acceptance.
    Lucy8080 wrote: »
    i like sponsoredwalks posts.

    If i miss the screen name when scrolling thru ...i can always tell its him by his style. And i always find his posts worth a read.

    Thanks Lucy, same to you too. You can have the priceless gift
    (worthless things are also technically priceless wink.gif) of being the last one
    I'll respond to in the way I'd rather respond to someone. Hmm... What
    to say when a miniscule part of ones soul is about to die? I know:
    Like the eagle arising out of the ashes in Harry Potter I'll similarly pull
    from the embers of my former posting style life renewed in the sense
    that new experiences await :cool:


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,038 ✭✭✭sponsoredwalk


    koth wrote: »
    Tradition is no excuse for stupidity. People need to get priorities straight. Spending money you don't have on a religious occasion that is free to attend is just daft.

    It's a government subsidy to pay for one day of over-indulgence. It's madness when the money could be diverted to families that really need it.

    It's already been explained how this is not a religious occasion, the fact that religion has anything to do with this is nothing more than a coincidental, as illustrated not only by the fact that the church calls for the de-emphasis on the monetary aspects of the day but also due to trivial things like the historical underpinning of this event being tied by the church to the mainstay of Irish culture.

    Furthermore your own post contains the kernel of truth within it that explains the ridiculous of your own argument: The fact that you view the religious event as being free tells you all you need to know about the fact that the state offers poor people money on this day - it's got nothing to do with the religious aspects of the day. In other words your own post admits that the religious aspects of the day have nothing to do with the topic of the thread... This is just another post posted in this thread that unwillingly admits the flaws in it's own argument for anyone who is willing to criticize it.

    Finally the argument that this money should be given to families who need it, this cynical argument is the kind of argument right wing nutjobs use to drug test people, to control womens sexual activity by prodding them with sticks in the US (yes, both of these things are currently argued for in the US with success). But also it completely ignores the fact that it is given to families who do need it: your argument is basically an argument that wants to justify social stratification of rich & poor. These are the consequences mentioned time & again in this thread, consequences that lead idiot mothers to prostitute themselves out for being so fcuking foolish & unlike us benevolent sages as to care about this stupid religious event.


  • Moderators Posts: 51,719 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    the parents are spending money on clothes and celebrations because of the communion. The communion event maybe free, but the parents wouldn't be looking for the money if the communion was happening at all.

    And because it has nothing to do with the religious aspects of the day, it's all the more reason why the payment should be cut. The day can still go ahead without it.

    As to your criticism of the use of the term "people who really need it", hate to break it to you but that's how a social payment system works. I can't go and get the dole because the government says due to me having a job that I don't need it. Should I now protest this as being unfair? :confused:

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • Registered Users Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    Firstly, cheers for fixing your formatting. I appreciate it.
    But also it completely ignores the fact that it is given to families who do need it:

    Food, cloth, shelter = Needs.
    €300 dress =/= Needs.

    I really don't see how this is even up for debate at this stage.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,788 ✭✭✭MrPudding


    First of all, thanks for sorting out the format.
    I had no idea that this would happen...

    I apologise but you'll have to forgive me, due to the fact that the focus shifts onto the shape of my posts AFTER I've gotten into an argument with someone on here & AFTER the moment they've lost all credibility I just naturally assumed it was the last refuge of the scoundrel to start off on my posts accompanied with no further explanation than "it's really annoying" or something like that.
    This doesn't really hold up though... For example, I asked you about your strange formatting months and months ago. In fact, I recall several posters asking why you posted the way you did, you typically thanked the post but did not answer.


    Judging by the size & detail of some of the responses I've been offered (from those making such comments) I thought they could hardly have even been posted on a mobile phone, let alone not being posted on a phone that couldn't handle such text (in which case I'd think you shouldn't be on the internet with such a junk phone) & really saw no other alternative than a means to divert attention from the topic being discussed. Furthermore this happens, again, in a thread in which all of you just pass over the many insults aimed at Lucy for the way (s)he posts, I think it's not too shocking to assume it's just more of that childish nonsense to then go for me.
    Given that I am someone that has mentioned I mostly read boards on my phone and that I have posted lengthy replies to you, I am going to assume that this point could, theoretically at least, be aimed at me.

    It may surprise you to learn that, in addition to a phone, I also have a laptop and a PC. Whilst I typically use my phone for browsing boards, I do have the ability to use other devices. If I am going to post a particularly long response I usually wait until I have access to something with a large keyboard, as long posts on the phone are fairly difficult. I am on my laptop now by the way.

    I really do mean that, it's always been after I've called out some nonsense on here that there's such an interest in the shape, rather than the content, of my posts...
    I really don't think that is the case. I can't recall the details from the times you have been asked in the past, but I am fairly sure that you have been asked about your formatting simply on the basis of the formatting and not just because you have called someone out.

    Surely you can understand how ridiculous it seems to focus so intensely on the shape of posts for no apparent reason (when you're unaware of the fact that it's reformatted automatically) other than that they are half the size of the other posts, especially considering the fact that every third page of a magazine will have different column styles (including ones whose lines are not linearly starting and ending (yes, even including nature...)).
    But people have been asking you about your formatting for months. Not just in this thread. And besides, I have not seen many magazine that print in the format your posts appeared in, IE, completely disjointed.


    Everything I've said still stands, we're still waiting for somebody to even apologise for the insults to Lucy, let alone even call out the fact that other posters cheerily post insults that themselves carry major flaws, let alone mention the fact that it's just basically wrong to post insults, let alone even explain how the church is more than coincidental to the topic of the thread, let alone explain how even if the church was more than a coincidental this would not be nothing more than taking money from poor people even if it is the result of the middle class being forced to tighten up it's belt after the gluttonous excesses we all orgiastically indulged in during the late 90's, now feeling that good ol' catholic shame for losing ourselves to it all momentarily (quite a long moment)... All of this is the antithesis of acceptance.
    The point of the objection to payments for communion being reduced and removed is so that there is money to be given to the poor. That is, we want social welfare money to be given to poor people so they can purchase things that are essential for life and the support of their kids, we don't want the money going to dress makers.

    MrP


  • Registered Users Posts: 28,122 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    Since there is apparently no chance that I will be accused of going off topic, can I ask why all the garbage in this thread has been allowed? Is there some sort of in-joke that I am missing?


  • Registered Users Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    Could you define 'garbage'?


  • Registered Users Posts: 28,122 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    All the stuff that is not related to the original topic, including discussions on people's writing styles.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,558 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    looksee wrote: »
    Since there is apparently no chance that I will be accused of going off topic, can I ask why all the garbage in this thread has been allowed? Is there some sort of in-joke that I am missing?
    Threads have a sell by date, which, once past, are more or less allow to drift about.

    The sell by date usually passes when everybody is just starting to repeat themselves. I blame the mods. ;)


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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 19,219 Mod ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Dades wrote: »
    Threads have a sell by date, which, once past, are more or less allow to drift about.

    The sell by date usually passes when everybody is just starting to repeat themselves. I blame the mods. ;)

    We all blame the mods :p.


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