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How to go primal (without really trying) - join me?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 608 ✭✭✭LoTwan


    I love kale.

    I went to a 21st last night and when the platter of food was brought out I not only didn't eat anything but I didn't WANT to eat it.

    Did I mention that I love kale?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,553 ✭✭✭dylbert


    Just had bacon, avocado and scrambled eggs, oh my god it was so good, I'll be having it again tomorrow...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,390 ✭✭✭Stench Blossoms


    I found Kale in Galway. I'm as happy as a pig in sh!t :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,934 ✭✭✭Dotcomdolly


    I found Kale in Galway. I'm as happy as a pig in sh!t :D

    So happy for you :D
    Hope it lives up to expectations now!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,793 ✭✭✭gymfreak


    Lol...I saw kale in the supermarket last night and had to pick it up after reading all the reviews in this thread!!!!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 390 ✭✭Doolee


    Made these (dunno how to make a word the link sorry!) http://www.paleomusings.com/2012/03/french-toast-in-cup.html[/URL] this morning. Made two of them. Pretty nice really, considering, though I did allow a few glugs of agave syrup over them! Feckit its the weekend!
    Might bring them to work as a snack and maybe toast them or something. I put a little stevia liquid in there too. Dead easy and filling. :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 256 ✭✭woggie


    Anyone catch a copy of the Daily Mail this morning?

    Heard Ray Darcy talking about it - headline reads...
    Eating red meat regularly 'dramatically increases the risk of death from heart disease' ....

    scary stuff for those of us on paleo .... reading on tho...

    The findings were challenged by Dr Carrie Ruxton from the Meat Advisory Panel (MAP), an expert body funded by the meat industry. She said: 'This US study looked at associations between high intakes of red meat and risk of mortality, finding a positive association between the two. However, the study was observational, not controlled, and so cannot be used to determine cause and effect.
    'The authors' conclusion that swapping a portion of red meat for poultry or fish each week may lower mortality risk was based only on a theoretical model. This conflicts with evidence from controlled trials.'


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,390 ✭✭✭Stench Blossoms


    DailyMail = Fail


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 256 ✭✭woggie


    DailyMail = Fail
    LOL


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,900 ✭✭✭littlefriend


    DailyMail = Fail
    yes and Ray Darcy = fail also


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 960 ✭✭✭Blueskye


    from Chris Kresser on fb in response: http://http://www.facebook.com/chriskresserlac

    A classic problem at the intersection of science and the media is a misunderstanding of correlation and causation that is unfortunately passed on to the masses. This graphic is both hysterical in its absurdity, and highly effective at explaining what all this is about. "Need to prove something you already believe? Statistics are easy: All you need are two graphs and a leading question. Correlation may not imply causation, but it sure can help us insinuate it."
    A classic problem at the intersection of science and the media is a misunderstanding of correlation and causation that is unfortunately passed on to the masses. This graphic is both hysterical in its absurdity, and highly effective at explaining what all this is about. "Need to prove something you already believe? Statistics are easy: All you need are two graphs and a leading question. Correlation may not imply causation, but it sure can help us insinuate it."


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 256 ✭✭woggie


    that is so true blueskye, thanks for the link! my parents are visiting me this weekend...im just dying to hear what they have to say when they see what i'm eating every day eek.gif...I just know my mum is going to have at least one conversation that starts with "they say......" ....whenever I ask her who "They" are she just answers "the experts!" ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,934 ✭✭✭Dotcomdolly


    woggie wrote: »
    that is so true blueskye, thanks for the link! my parents are visiting me this weekend...im just dying to hear what they have to say when they see what i'm eating every day eek.gif...I just know my mum is going to have at least one conversation that starts with "they say......" ....whenever I ask her who "They" are she just answers "the experts!" ;)

    I'm going over to visit my parents in Spain in may, where every lunch out starts out with hot crusty bread, alioli and tomato concasse! I tried to cut back last year (for weight loss reasons) and failed because I found it too bloody delicous. And the deserts?! I was the experts of pain calatrava, comparing each restaraunts recipe. It's going to be hard.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 256 ✭✭woggie


    I was the experts of pain calatrava, comparing each restaraunts recipe.
    yikes!!! serious blood sugar spike just reading the recipe lol


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,144 ✭✭✭Parsley


    woggie wrote: »
    Anyone catch a copy of the Daily Mail this morning?

    Heard Ray Darcy talking about it - headline reads...
    Eating red meat regularly 'dramatically increases the risk of death from heart disease' ....

    scary stuff for those of us on paleo .... reading on tho...

    The findings were challenged by Dr Carrie Ruxton from the Meat Advisory Panel (MAP), an expert body funded by the meat industry. She said: 'This US study looked at associations between high intakes of red meat and risk of mortality, finding a positive association between the two. However, the study was observational, not controlled, and so cannot be used to determine cause and effect.
    'The authors' conclusion that swapping a portion of red meat for poultry or fish each week may lower mortality risk was based only on a theoretical model. This conflicts with evidence from controlled trials.'

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  • Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 5,620 ✭✭✭El_Dangeroso


    The study used food frequency questionnaires that asked people what they ate once a year, nuff said. Anyone who has ever tracked food knows that if you don't do it every day, you forget what you eat very quickly.

    There might be issues with eating red meat, this study showed that it had to be over 70g/d which is over 3 times a week for normal portions, but this study doesn't really tell us anything. It's waaay too vague.

    Was the meat overcooked? - HCA toxins
    Did the meat have antibiotics? - very common in the US where the study took place
    Was it a steak or a hamburger? The questionnaire lumps all of these things in together, we know for a fact more hamburgers are eaten than steaks.

    I really could go on and on. I love red meat but I'd say I eat it about 4 times a week, otherwise I get sick of it.

    There may well be issues with iron-overload but this study tells us precisely nothing. Gonna send this one to the very large junk epidemiology pile methinks.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,362 ✭✭✭✭SteelyDanJalapeno


    That study has got more holes in it than swiss cheese,

    People can hardly remember what they ate yesterday, let alone what they had for the entire year.

    Overweight people in the majority tend to not be completely honest in what they've eaten, this may not even be intentional, can very well be sub consciously.

    also!
    The reproducibility and validity of these FFQs have been described in detail elsewhere.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,785 ✭✭✭rocky


    Red Meat Consumption and Mortality http://archinte.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/full/archinternmed.2011.2287
    Men and women with higher intake of red meat were less likely to be physically active and were more likely to be current smokers, to drink alcohol, and to have a higher body mass index.

    An equally valid conclusion of the study might have been "red meat consumption increases your chances to smoke and drink alcohol" :)
    the mean daily intake of unprocessed red meat dropped from 0.75 to 0.63 servings from 1986 to 2006 in men and from 1.10 to 0.55 servings from 1980 to 2006 in women.

    In other news,
    Being Born Raises Your Risk of Dying by 100%


  • Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 5,620 ✭✭✭El_Dangeroso


    rocky wrote: »
    An equally valid conclusion of the study might have been "red meat consumption increases your chances to smoke and drink alcohol" :)

    In fairness, they did statistically control for those factors, but I do wonder what else unhealthy people tend to do that you can't control for with stats.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 608 ✭✭✭LoTwan


    I am into week 11 of strict paleo (with the 24 hour blip for my birthday at the start of February) and it has become something I no longer think about. It just is the way I eat. I no longer think to get sugar if I'm having tea, don't even consider having a chip if the kids have some etc.

    I have lost 20lbs & for some reason have no interim clothes. I am not into the next size yet but the ones I have been wearing look plain stupid on me :lol:

    Jason on EP Life Fit has passed my squat, I can do a sit up without issue & now all I have to work on is my push ups. I managed 2 kneeling pushups with my pushup bars yesterday :-) which is a big change from huffing and puffing after wall push ups. I need to be able to do 10 kneeling pushups to pass out of module 1 & my goal for 2012 is to be able to do one toe push up :-)

    "Not all that much but thanks for noticing"

    That's what I said to one of the moms in school who asked me if I was doing lots of exercise as I had lost lots of weight :-). This woman walks for an hour after she drops the kids off to school but has had no body comp changes in the 6 months I have known her.

    I wanted to say "if you think this is good, wait til you see me in 6 months time". I long to reply "I lift heavy things, and then put them down" :-)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,362 ✭✭✭✭SteelyDanJalapeno


    LoTwan wrote: »
    I am into week 11 of strict paleo (with the 24 hour blip for my birthday at the start of February) and it has become something I no longer think about. It just is the way I eat. I no longer think to get sugar if I'm having tea, don't even consider having a chip if the kids have some etc.

    I have lost 20lbs & for some reason have no interim clothes. I am not into the next size yet but the ones I have been wearing look plain stupid on me :lol:

    Jason on EP Life Fit has passed my squat, I can do a sit up without issue & now all I have to work on is my push ups. I managed 2 kneeling pushups with my pushup bars yesterday :-) which is a big change from huffing and puffing after wall push ups. I need to be able to do 10 kneeling pushups to pass out of module 1 & my goal for 2012 is to be able to do one toe push up :-)

    "Not all that much but thanks for noticing"

    That's what I said to one of the moms in school who asked me if I was doing lots of exercise as I had lost lots of weight :-). This woman walks for an hour after she drops the kids off to school but has had no body comp changes in the 6 months I have known her.

    I wanted to say "if you think this is good, wait til you see me in 6 months time". I long to reply "I lift heavy things, and then put them down" :-)


    I thanked this after the 1st paragraph, and tried to thank it again after I Read it all :o


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 608 ✭✭✭LoTwan


    Thanks guys :-) I just feel so great.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,934 ✭✭✭Dotcomdolly


    Excellent Lotwan, you have come so far. Well done on the progress on the exercise front, it's excellent. Nothing changes your body shape as much as doing weights. I made my own "deb" pics side-by-side the other day and there is very small weight change but a much bigger shape change :D

    This morning I went to a very well stocked veg shop/deli and picked up toasted coconut flakes which are delicious! - slightly thicker cut than the Nourish one and the toasting add an extra yumminess
    And very excited to try spaghetti squash this evening - and for free! - the man wasn't 100% if it was a spaghetti squash or how long it had been in stock so he gave it to me free :D I shall report back!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 608 ✭✭✭LoTwan


    I made my own "deb" pics side-by-side the other day and there is very small weight change but a much bigger shape change :D

    Can I see them?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,934 ✭✭✭Dotcomdolly


    Thanks girls.
    I don't know which is more embaressing , me in my knicks or the state or my bedroom!

    So the spaghetti squash is in the ovem , quite the workout preparing it!

    p.s new websitee I found - paleo on a budget, weekly meal plans
    http://paleoonabudget.com/category/weekly-plans/


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,390 ✭✭✭Stench Blossoms


    Looking good D :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 608 ✭✭✭LoTwan


    Excellent :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 256 ✭✭woggie


    well done ladies.
    was at the gym today crying as my pt raised the weights yet again and he said - its this or 2hours walking the bypass and who has time for that?!
    so true...heavy things and squats =fast results!
    my exercise goal is to be able to do a proper push up and i would LOVE to be able to do a pull up


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 608 ✭✭✭LoTwan


    Squats & Squats + weights = I might actually get an ass rather than the flat thing I ended up with last time.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,934 ✭✭✭Dotcomdolly


    You'll get a bootalicious bum doing squats Lotwan.

    I can do full push-up, about 5 before droppping to knees, but yeah a pull-up is one of my goals too.
    I came across this article about scale watching I thought was good.
    http://www.rachelcosgrove.com/2011/11/making-weight/


    Here's my spaghtetti (squash) bolegnase from last night
    430126_10150675422063666_605533665_9203191_214476296_n.jpg


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