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What is religion?
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I believe Nietzsche answers the OP question rather well in a chapter of "Also sprach Zarathustra" headed "Über die religion" (On religion):
"Ihrem Elende wollten sie entlaufen, und die Sterne waren ihnen zu
weit. Da seufzten sie: "Oh dass es doch himmlische Wege gäbe, sich in
ein andres Sein und Glück zu schleichen!" - da erfanden sie sich ihre
Schliche und blutigen Tränklein!"
My (approximate) translation: They wished to flee their misery, and the stars were too remote for them. Then they sighed: "Oh, if only there were celestial pathways through which to creep into another existence and happiness!" - then they invented their creepway and their bloody little drink for themselves!"
In other words, religion is escapism, and it probably began when people first realised that they were mortal. At the time, I suppose you couldn't blame them, but in this day and age ---:rolleyes::rolleyes:
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You don't agree with something I didn't say?
Baptising an infant is choosing their religion for them, and I consider that to be indoctrination.
And that's not discussing the point I made that choosing a religion, i.e. infant baptism is indoctrination. Now if you want to discuss something else, fine, but don't pretend that you're addressing what I've posted.
I actually agree with you on this issue, so I don't need to take it any further on that front. Apologies for my misunderstanding
Penn: Simply put, parents want their children to know the truth, and to seek the very best for them. Christians regard Christianity as the truth, and they regard God's standards are being the best for their children. As a result they share about Jesus with their children.
At a later point the child might think that Christianity is a load of twaddle and do something else. Ultimately, they make the decision, not their parents. Even in the case that they do decide to follow Christianity for themselves at a later stage, they will more than likely do so on the basis of their own thought. Or some, might have grown up in a Christian home whether that's more nominal or more practising, reject Christianity for a period of time, and then think about following it for themselves.
As for your point about having to worship God, and acknowledge him. Simply put what that means for me is I acknowledge what God has done for me and what measures that He went through to bring me to know Him. I am thankful for that, so as a result, I praise Him, and I try to live for Him as best as I can and as much as a struggle that can be at times. I want to live as He wants me to not because that I am saved that way (I am only saved through the death and resurrection of Jesus), but because I love Him and I know that His ways are ultimately good.
joseph brand: Personally, I think adult baptism is better than infant baptism. I'm here to argue for what is Biblical Christianity, that's my main aim when I post here.
Also, I think Islam is a lie, but I respect the liberty of Muslims as much as parents of any creed to bring up their own children as they deem fit.
As for right and wrong, I believe that most people do have a sense of right and wrong. I'm discussing that at the moment over on the Atheist / Christian debate thread on the Christianity forum.
As for how we're all sinners. Simply in so far as we've all done wrong. I.E disobeyed God's standards. As a result we rightfully deserve God's judgement. God brought His Son Jesus into the world to pay the penalty for our sin on our behalf, so that we can be forgiven and we can enter into a new relationship with God living as He desires us to. God is just, and merciful. God satisfied the just punishment for our sin through Jesus' death and resurrection. God as a result showed us mercy.
If God just simply forgave us, He wouldn't be just in the same way that a judge wouldn't be just for allowing a serial murderer to walk.
Newaglish: I'm currently posting about some of my reasons in the Christianity forum on the Atheism / Christianity debate thread - you can join in there if you want. I'm happy to discuss it with people who are willing to do so with respect. There's only 3 people of the countless people that I have spoken to on my ignore list. Simply put, this is because I feel that discussing with them will more than likely be fruitless, and more than likely will become very negative very quickly. I really don't want to be a part of any kind of discussion which isn't done with grace and respect. Sometimes, it's simply better not to respond.
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Thanks, krudler. When you see the nonsense that those who believe in the sky fairy come out with sometimes, it's really a matter of either laughing or crying. The former is better for one's sanity.
My wife is going to New York in a couple of weeks' time and I'll ask her to get a DVD of the brilliant Bill Maher's "Religulous" for me. From the bits of it I've seen on the Internet, it's a hilarious exposition of the ridiculousness of religion. In fact, it's a composite of the words "religion" and "ridiculous".
This is a book I'd recommend those who still find any credibility in religion really ought to read:
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Daftendirekt wrote: »Backwards?
As wonderfulname said, its mirrored. People do this to get around the software Google uses to automatically detect copyrighted videos and take them down. Doesn't really matter except when there is text in the video.0 -
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hi philologos,philologos wrote: »dead one: Is your disagreement as a Muslim with atheism or Christianity a prejudice?
See, I have no disagreement with Christianity or Atheism as long as they respect each other. I mean you said, Islam is lie. You think it as christian not human. We all are human we should respect each other creeds and choices. If you think Islam is lie then this foram isn't good place to talk back of muslim. You should speak in Islam foram. It isn't case of Islam if you had said the above words for Buddhism you would find the same response from side. You think Islam is lie becuase it's against your business. Isn't it truth. See, I think you're christian as Christianity is your native religion. If you had born in Muslim family, You would think Christianity as lie. Bible is Christianity. There is prophecy of Prophet from tonge of Jesus in Bible. Who is that and why he has not come even after 2000 years.
What you think, other think not. There is huge difference of thinking. The only way to change humanity is religion. The reason is simple, common folks tend to believe what they have been taught in the name of religion. They think 10 times before committing sin or doing anything wrong. Religion is good as long people follow fundamental of religion. You are saying religions are nonsence. Religion aren't, Its people are nonsense who aren't following fundamentals of religion in their action. Suppose i am Jew/christian/muslim, I don't represent Islam/Christianity/Judaism as long i don't follow teaching of Muhammad/Jesus/Moses. Today majority muslim/chritian/jew are deviated from their religion. They are hypocrites, they place muslim/chritian/jew with their name, infact, when it comes to action, they follow their desires not religion.I think Islam is nonsense.
I think Judaism is nonsense.
I think Christianity is nonsense.
I think the various forms of Hinduism are nonsense.
Common people tend to become hypocrite. You are talking about common people. Common people who place muslim/chiristian/jew with their names don't represent Islam etc. See i give you plane example.This is based on years of personal observation, having grown up with friends from numerous backgrounds, sexualities, families and reading into the beliefs of each one myself.
At no point in time was I taught to hate or distrust someone based on what their religion is, but what their message was.
It's all feckin nonsense.
Quran says
Always speak the truth. [Quran 22:30]
A muslim who doesn't speak truth. He isn't following Quran. You can't represent his action to islam. There is factor of hypocrisy in his action. You are blaming quran for his action. Think about it. The same way bible says Tell the truth. A christian who is liar he doesn't represent Bible. I hope you would get the point.
See, that's not my problem.does anyone take anything you say seriously on here anymore?
No, it you who advocate destruction of other religions?... see and open your eyes comrade, the lieutenant on dark hill saiddoesnt islam openly advocate the destruction of other religions? or is that just one of those out of context things.
Have you ever had doubts about thisI think Islam is nonsense.
I think Judaism is nonsense.
I think Christianity is nonsense.
I think the various forms of Hinduism are nonsense.
Atheism? Aren'tt atheist trained to hate other religions. Isn't it hatred.I'd put islam in the same batsh1t crazy basket as christianity too, yay for intolerance and hatred.0 -
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