Occupy Dame Street encampment dismantled by Gardaí

Permabear · 08-03-2012 10:17AM #1

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20Cent · 08-03-2012 10:29AM

Phase 2 starting as we speak, you can't dismantle ideas.

qz · 08-03-2012 10:31AM

20Cent wrote: »

Phase 2 starting as we speak, you can't dismantle ideas.

I dunno, those ideas look pretty dismantled to me.

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Daveaherne · 08-03-2012 10:33AM

I think i was right to move them on, they were asked to move for paddys day. what has happened has hurt us as a people, paddys day is about being proud to be irish again. it is also a great chance to show we are open for business again. and a great place to do it

seamus · 08-03-2012 10:35AM

Just can't believe it took so long. As I said on AH, if travellers had set up camp on college green last October, they would have been lifted out of it well in advance of Xmas. I don't know why this illegal campsite was given such leeway.

Maybe the Government were giving it time for the "protest" to become completely irrelevant. If they tried to move them too early, it might get more support for them.

BOHtox · 08-03-2012 10:36AM

20Cent wrote: »

Phase 2 starting as we speak, you can't dismantle ideas.

They had ideas? As in alternatives? What? When I was ever talking to them I thought that they were a bunch of self-fulfilling idiots who could not give me one of their goals.

Chucky the tree · 08-03-2012 10:36AM

20Cent wrote: »

Phase 2 starting as we speak, you can't dismantle ideas.

But they didn't really have any ideas in the first place.

08-03-2012 10:38AM

20Cent wrote: »

Phase 2 starting as we speak, you can't dismantle ideas.

"Don't build the slane bypass and damage newgrange!" is not a good ODS idea

Glad to see them gone, place looks much better again

Attabear · 08-03-2012 10:43AM

20Cent wrote: »

Phase 2 starting as we speak, you can't dismantle ideas.

I think if there were coherent and rational ideas being presented by the Occupy Movement from the beginning, it would have been far more successful.

Unfortunately, it seemed reasonable voices were often drowned out by agenda led fringe groups.

Permabear · 08-03-2012 10:44AM

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20Cent · 08-03-2012 10:45AM

So the one visual sign of resistance in Dublin against all that is happening in Ireland has been dismantled so that VIPs can sit on there and watch the Paddies day parade. This is something to be glad about!
Sneaking in at 3am blocking off the street to avoid photo's or video. Anyone who believes in democracy or freedom should be outraged.

mike65 · 08-03-2012 10:49AM

As its an ideas based movement presumably Occupy really doesn't need to occupy anywhere.

Dr Galen · 08-03-2012 10:50AM

20Cent wrote: »

Phase 2 starting as we speak, you can't dismantle ideas.

to be perfectly honest, I think you and others here are confusing the rag tag band previously located on Dame St, with the much larger and arguably much more effective Occupy Wall St group.

While not totally sold on everything that the worldwide movement is standing for, and doing, the Irish occupy group really had turned into the usual professional protester types, and had really failed to capture the imagination or support of "Joe Public". Looking around the internet, at various message boards, social media etc, there really doesn't seem to be any popular support for them.

Contrast that with other protest groups that we have recently had in this country, and I think it just shows that Occupy Dame St just didn't pull it off. In 2008, we had scenes of nearly 15,000 pensioners marching through the city and protesting outside the Dail, protesting against the changes to the medical card system. Now that's people power!

They haven't had any effect upon the political landscape here, or the wider debate that I can see. In fact, they have been pretty much ignored by all sides.

08-03-2012 10:50AM

20Cent wrote: »

So the one visual sign of resistance in Dublin against all that is happening in Ireland has been dismantled so that VIPs can sit on there and watch the Paddies day parade. This is something to be glad about!
Sneaking in at 3am blocking off the street to avoid photo's or video. Anyone who believes in democracy or freedom should be outraged.

What about those of us, PERHAPS a majority of people (democracy eh) who wanted ODS moved?

So what does phase two for ODS involve then, 20cent? Getting a job?

lobes · 08-03-2012 10:51AM

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The Central Bank confirmed it asked gardai to move the campaigners.

" the bank confirms that it requested the garda to peacefully remove the occupiers and the encampment from the Central Bank plaza," a spokesman said.
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/gardai-clear-occupy-protest-camp-084521530.html

Permabear · 08-03-2012 10:52AM

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BOHtox · 08-03-2012 10:54AM

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Then they continue to smoke weed at home and be a general nuisance to society somewhere else.

20Cent · 08-03-2012 10:57AM

Whats with all the glee at seeing a protest movement smashed (temporarily) up at 3am while roads are closed off to prevent filming in a democracy??
I think the occupy movement reflects the lack of engagement and action by others so this makes them mad at it.

Dr Galen · 08-03-2012 10:57AM

I try really hard not to do the Mod Thing in a thread I'm taking part in, but this is a wee exception

Lets keep things civil and not be resorting to silly Ad Homs and general slagging people.

Remember this is the Politics Forum

Cheers

DrG

source · 08-03-2012 10:58AM

20Cent wrote: »

So the one visual sign of resistance in Dublin against all that is happening in Ireland has been dismantled so that VIPs can sit on there and watch the Paddies day parade. This is something to be glad about!
Sneaking in at 3am blocking off the street to avoid photo's or video. Anyone who believes in democracy or freedom should be outraged.

Why?

It's illegal in this country to set up a temporary dwelling in a public place. In order to exercise your right to protest in this country you must obey the laws of this country. That is enshrined in our constitution.

They decided to protest in a manner which broke our laws, so they must face the sanctions that exist for breaking those laws. Which includes the removal of the temporary dwellings.

08-03-2012 10:59AM

20Cent wrote: »

Whats with all the glee at seeing a protest movement smashed (temporarily) up at 3am while roads are closed off to prevent filming in a democracy??
I think the occupy movement reflects the lack of engagement and action by others so this makes them mad at it.

I've been to lots of protests. You make your point and then you leave. You didn't make any point.. And you didn't leave.

Game over, I'm afraid. We've seen through ODS waffle from the very beginning. What do you think, another 18 months and we all would have jumped on board?

Nahhh

If you want that prestigious city centre office for ODS, yiz are just gonna have to save up like the rest of us

mike65 · 08-03-2012 11:01AM

20Cent wrote: »

So the one visual sign of resistance in Dublin against all that is happening in Ireland has been dismantled so that VIPs can sit on there and watch the Paddies day parade. This is something to be glad about!
Sneaking in at 3am blocking off the street to avoid photo's or video. Anyone who believes in democracy or freedom should be outraged.

It was the only way to do it, quiet time to close the street so that if it kicked off there would be less chance of innocent bystanders getting dragged in to a melee and allowing the corpo to give the place a proper wash and brush up before rush hour.

later12 · 08-03-2012 11:19AM

I spoke to some of them on the day they first set up there and got the sense that they were a group of profressional protestors, a sort of rent-a-crowd who've done everything from The Glen of the Downs to the Corrib Gas Protests to the M3 protest in Tara to their latest M3 protest /economics pun.

I do wonder how much some of them appreciate what really happened to bring about this crisis. That "1%" slogan certainly doesn't help their case.

However, I think the Occupy Dame Street protest can serve a beneficial purpose of reminding us of what has happened. Right now, we may not need reminders, but I think some sort of permanent installation ought to be erected at the Central Bank site.

Personally I think a publicly supported protest village could actually be an interesting idea, but perhaps a giant monument of the god Lugh wielding his spear forebodingly at a swarm of bankers in their hive might be adequately jingoist and symbolic to please everybody...

mike65 · 08-03-2012 11:24AM

but I think some sort of permanent installation ought to be erected at the Central Bank site.

Personally I think a publicly supported protest village could actually be an interesting idea

A permanent protest is a failed protest!

The best reminder would be Ahern, Cowen, John Hurley and Patrick Neary in chains, alas...

Is mise le key · 08-03-2012 11:42AM

happyman81 · 08-03-2012 12:02PM

20Cent wrote: »

So the one visual sign of resistance in Dublin against all that is happening in Ireland has been dismantled so that VIPs can sit on there and watch the Paddies day parade. This is something to be glad about!
Sneaking in at 3am blocking off the street to avoid photo's or video. Anyone who believes in democracy or freedom should be outraged.

Yeah, rush hour was really the time for this. Boo. Hiss.

Let's face it, the primary wish for people who were attached to this was to be dragged out, kicking and screaming in front of cameras. They were denied that. But that has nothing to do with freedom or democracy.

For Forks Sake · 08-03-2012 12:03PM

qz wrote: »

I dunno, those ideas look pretty dismantled to me.

That pic made me laugh, the lads look like they're after arriving in after a nice nights kip at home and they're going "I'm CERTAIN this is where we left the tents

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happyman81 · 08-03-2012 12:07PM

For Forks Sake wrote: »

qz wrote: »

I dunno, those ideas look pretty dismantled to me.

That pic made me laugh, the lads look like they're after arriving in after a nice nights kip at home and they're going "I'm CERTAIN this is where we left the tents "

That's what cracked me up, there was capacity for a few dozen people or more, judging by the amount of tents, but I never saw more than a handful of people there, when I passed by.

Where the hell were they?

20Cent · 08-03-2012 12:08PM

Phones, laptops documents taken, people injured and one arrest. Private property taken, no court order, etc.

Should be of concern for those of us interested in freedom and democracy.

Dr Galen · 08-03-2012 12:09PM

Here? In Dublin?

Do you have a source for this?

For Forks Sake · 08-03-2012 12:10PM

20Cent wrote: »

Phones, laptops documents taken, people injured and one arrest. Private property taken, no court order, etc.

Should be of concern for those of us interested in freedom and democracy.

Link? Proof? Please?

Occupy Dame Street encampment dismantled by Gardaí

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