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Old School Parenting v New School Parenting

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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,536 ✭✭✭Stiffler2


    Sharrow wrote: »
    They are not female jobs, they are just the housework.

    Call it what you want, My parents were old skool & that's how I grew up.
    Housework is the same as calling it a female job ??

    anyway it's 50/50 in my castle, I'm a new age man :(:(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,050 ✭✭✭token101


    slum dog wrote: »
    I was having a dicussion with a work colleague recently. He told me at home, that out of principle he would never cook dinner. In his opinion, he said that this was a woman's role and that he would never do it. After his wife died, he raised his kids to do the same, presumably his female kids.

    In contrast to this, I was watching the midday show on tv3 which i normally do, and after watching the militant feminist (who never seems to shut her mouth for one second about the evils of irish men) she said that she was not going to raise her son to be another 'lazy irish man', and would frog march him to the washing machine if clothes ever needed to be cleaned.
    Personally i find her opinions of irish men generally offensive, since i wouldnt consider myself a lazy irishman.

    who would you be more inclined to agree with? personally i think if they're your kids, you have the right the raise them anyway you want, regardless of what society demands of people.

    I'm going to raise mine on the premise that if they watch TV3 they die. Like in The Ring. That way they won't be watching ****e like dogging and idiot feminists.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 179 ✭✭elvis99


    Kids are way more feral now, if you give out to them for acting the shit the parents usually get offended and have this idea that there "angel" would never do that. A telling off never did me a bit of harm when I was younger


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,450 ✭✭✭Morag


    Stiffler2 wrote: »
    Housework is the same as calling it a female job ??

    Nope it's not, household chorses or housework is not female or male work its people work.
    Stiffler2 wrote: »
    anyway it's 50/50 in my castle, I'm a new age man :(:(

    New age man? do you belive in the power of crystals or something?

    Pff it was and still is 50/50 in my parents house and was in my grandparents house, the notion that both genders should be able to cook, clean ect shouldn't be that radical in this day and age?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,536 ✭✭✭Stiffler2


    Sharrow wrote: »
    Nope it's not, household chorses or housework is not female or male work its people work.



    New age man? do you belive in the power of crystals or something?

    Pff it was and still is 50/50 in my parents house and was in my grandparents house, the notion that both genders should be able to cook, clean ect shouldn't be that radical in this day and age?

    we just grew up differently , from different backgrounds.
    My Dad worked his whole life providing.
    My Mother stayed at home her whole life and looked after the family.

    as this is my background, this is what I'm used to so in my terms I'm a new age man from my dads generation.

    never met the grandparents so couldn't tell ya !

    Like I said I can do it all but I don't / won't wash clothes or iron but that's all.

    Me & the missus made this deal a long time ago.
    I do the cooking / hoovering , she does the rest.

    I'm now looking for a robot hoover and am thinking of getting it.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,443 ✭✭✭Bipolar Joe


    I was just fed junk when I was growing up. I won't lie, I'm a moron, and cooking is a scary task if you don't know how. It's one of those things people who can do it take for granted and think it's simple. Sure, why can't anyone complete complex theoretical equations? Lots of people can manage it!

    The variables in cooking are many. My oven, for example, is a piece of sh!t. I'm doing my best to try and learn, but it gets to a point where you burn your food so many times you're just wasting money, and there's only so much vomiting you can really take (Or stomach, hurr hurr hurr). A friend showing me how to cook told me to skin a potato. I was holding it all awkward and couldn't get it to work. That's my own stupidity, but it's aggravated by fear I'm gonna fuck up so I don't try. When people say "What? You're how old and you can't cook?" it makes you feel small and only compounds those feelings. Fun Fact: Negative reinforcement is only to the benefit of the enforcer.

    I'm trying now, and it's hard.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,787 ✭✭✭✭ScumLord


    Sharrow wrote: »
    Nope it's not, household chorses or housework is not female or male work its people work.
    Traditionally it was always women's work and that's universal throughout the world.

    That's not to take anything away from the women that do it as housework is essential work or at least has been in the past. If you look at tribal people women do the majority of the work even putting food on the table while men hunt, the women value their hunting even if they come back empty handed. I think they value men taking risks and showing physical prowess as all the male of any species is good for is providing sperm.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,536 ✭✭✭AngryBollix


    Just give little Johnny a good solid crack on the arse


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,775 ✭✭✭✭Gbear


    Forget about what parents should do; as the evidence in this thread shows, they can't be trusted to do it.

    Mandatory home economics for the whole of secondary school.
    Nevermind women thinking men are stupid if they can't do the dishes or cook a basic meal, women are also on the other spectrum with regards to "man jobs" like electronics/car/shelves. Thankfully both are getting better with gender roles relaxing.

    Apparently home ec now teaches how to wire a plug. That, budgeting, car maintenance, cooking, cleaning, ironing and all the other boring **** you need to survive is useful to far more people than rote learning of theorems or poetry.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,194 ✭✭✭saa


    You're offended that someone doesn't want their son to be lazy. I know there are a lot of people who have an issue with me because of my gender and think everyone of this gender is ______ if you get that offended by every ignorant so and so you'll have no energy left to cook or clean eh.

    And you don't have the right to raise them anyway you want, of course you can go against what society deems acceptable as long as it is of the best interest of the child and they have a choice.

    From what I've seen that kind of household largely doesn't exist anymore, we don't live in a society where the men work in an industry and the women stay at home so why would we raise kids to only fit those roles because of their gender, you son will have to cook for himself and your daughters will have to find work married or not.

    There is just something really sad about the father who comes home from a hard days work and sits on his own waiting for his dinner because he provides money he doesn't have time for anything else and just wishes the house would be clean and he would be left alone by his family, that is my impression of this old school ideal, and maybe not that extreme but the father figure is at least limited and cut off from family life mentally more so than not having enough hours in the week.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 369 ✭✭gud4u


    I was just fed junk when I was growing up. I won't lie, I'm a moron, and cooking is a scary task if you don't know how. It's one of those things people who can do it take for granted and think it's simple. Sure, why can't anyone complete complex theoretical equations? Lots of people can manage it!

    The variables in cooking are many. My oven, for example, is a piece of sh!t. I'm doing my best to try and learn, but it gets to a point where you burn your food so many times you're just wasting money, and there's only so much vomiting you can really take (Or stomach, hurr hurr hurr). A friend showing me how to cook told me to skin a potato. I was holding it all awkward and couldn't get it to work. That's my own stupidity, but it's aggravated by fear I'm gonna fuck up so I don't try. When people say "What? You're how old and you can't cook?" it makes you feel small and only compounds those feelings. Fun Fact: Negative reinforcement is only to the benefit of the enforcer.

    I'm trying now, and it's hard.

    I get the concepts of cooking and cleaning, just not how they apply to me, so says the fridge magnet my husband bought me.

    I'm a 34 yo woman and was brought up with no housework or mealtime routine. I have never cooked a chicken, I'm afraid I'II poison evryone and the house is a tip most days. We both work and no matter how much housework I do, it still looks like sh*t, because, there's a pair of us in it.

    My mothers idea of tidying was...if there's a knock at the door, fling anything that'll move into the nearest room and lock the door. No one goes past the kitchen. All this behaviour is learned, I am still trying to teach myself not to be a slob, but I have to say, it's hard. I just don't get where all the crap and clutter comes from. I also struggle with budgets and finances.

    Listening to my work colleages, they were taught by example, as opposed to specifically shown how to cook, clean, tidy. It would have been easier if I was shown as a child.

    I think parents have only one object to achieve, and that is to prepare a child for the world, not protect them from it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    I am a **** cook and I wish I couild prepare fom damn decent stuff. Really. No excuse, no sexism, my Dad did courses in Italian and Chiniese food. Coudl cook an amazing fry-up to, that man. So where was I?

    Yes. Cooking. teach your kids to cook. teach your kids to love good food. They'l lthank you for it later, be they boy or girl.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,565 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    Is it really necessary to actively teach children how to cook or do their laundry etc? I don't remember ever having to do any of these things when I was a child yet when I moved out I was self sufficient in cooking and cleaning. I suppose throwing some clothes in the washing machine isn't that hard really.

    and that colleague of your might want to broaden his horizons a little.

    Well my mother taught me to cook and to take care of myself when I was at home. It definatly stood to me in my career and work ethic. Theres more to giving people responsibilities at home than teaching them to cook and clean.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,739 ✭✭✭✭starbelgrade


    biko wrote: »
    All my kids will know basic cooking and basic car/house maintenance, regardless of gender.

    Good plan. It's by far the cheapest way to get the car serviced, the lawn mowed, the walls painted and your meals cooked.


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