Huge hike in road tax as motor cash dries up

Bullseye1 · 07-03-2012 12:19AM

Why would anyone feel sorry for someone who was in a financial position to buy a new car? The carbon tax is punishing those who cannot afford to buy a new car because they get less to the gallon and their motor tax is in some cases double or triple that of similar sized cars with newer registration plates.

RXMPS wrote: »

Feel sorry for the people who bought 08 cars and up, thinking it was a good idea to have a modern fuel efficient car, with low tax rates, they were sold a lie again by the government, conned and betrayed.

I would be seething if the 2010 320d I worked my ass to get, went up to 660 euro road tax, just because the government got it wrong again.

They should base it on c02 or put the tax on fuel.

This engine size crap has gone on long enough.

Pure stupid.

Should a 6'6 man pay more tax than a 5'10 man because he is bigger?

A modern 3.0 turbo diesel uses less fuel than an old 1.3 Colt.

I don't understand it.

shawnee · 07-03-2012 08:32AM

Deleted User wrote: »

You can't tax the fuel much more because people are struggling to pay petrol and diesel prices as it is, the tax is way too high and is effecting the economy. The person that has to drive 60-100 miles a day round trip to work is getting screwed!

A lot of people are cutting down on weekend trips, bank holiday drives, which effects hotels, B&B's etc. It does more harm than good.

Hauliers have to raise prices, so the shops have to etc.

It's like this, if everyone decide to sell their cars the Government will then just raise property tax. T.V licence, don't forget water charges are coming, we will most likely see a lot more tolls, it's very depressing thinking what they can do!

We have already seen the cost of new cars rise with the recent vat hike!

Cars are essential for most of us, but we can cut down how we use them.

On one of the bike forums I'm on an Australian man does his weekly shopping with his electric bike, with a trailer on the back. Brings his children to school with it, for him his bike is the essential form of transport.

That might come to a lot more of us, we are spoiled by the comforts of our cars, but rain and wind doesn't bother me, sure I love the sun, but I live where I live!

Taxing the fuel is the only fair option. If you are paying your road tax then it is simply diverting that money on to your weekly fuel bill. Easier to manage , no lump payment , no extra charge for paying every three/six months. The only question here is how much to put on the fuel to generate a similar income and that should not be that difficult to calculate. Travel to France , fuel costs are much higher , road tax quite low and standard. I certainly favour that system and you buy whatever car you want, not the car the taxation system ecourages you to buy.

BettyM · 07-03-2012 08:34AM

shawnee wrote: »

Taxing the fuel is the only fair option. .

You have to be joking!! DoO you know how much tax and VAT( which is also tax) you pay for each gallon of petrol currently???

shawnee · 07-03-2012 09:01AM

BettyM wrote: »

You have to be joking!! DoO you know how much tax and VAT( which is also tax) you pay for each gallon of petrol currently???

Yes I do and I also know that I pay 550 for road tax and would really not have a problem paying an extra fiver or even tenner a week for my petrol and let he/she who is using the road more pay for the use of it on their fuel. Fairer system by far .

Farmer Pudsey · 07-03-2012 09:12AM

shawnee wrote: »

Taxing the fuel is the only fair option. If you are paying your road tax then it is simply diverting that money on to your weekly fuel bill. Easier to manage , no lump payment , no extra charge for paying every three/six months. The only question here is how much to put on the fuel to generate a similar income and that should not be that difficult to calculate. Travel to France , fuel costs are much higher , road tax quite low and standard. I certainly favour that system and you buy whatever car you want, not the car the taxation system ecourages you to buy.

Another brillant idea from the green lobby add more tax to the worker forced to commute to work because of poor public transport. Another reason for someone to stay on the dole I love when people have brillant idea's like this. You still will not be able to buy the car you want as you will have to factor in your fuel bill we will all be driving 1 litre diesel's while the unemployed perso will be driving around in 7 or 8 year old Range Rover

Sesshoumaru · 07-03-2012 09:47AM

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

Another brillant idea from the green lobby add more tax to the worker forced to commute to work because of poor public transport. Another reason for someone to stay on the dole I love when people have brillant idea's like this. You still will not be able to buy the car you want as you will have to factor in your fuel bill we will all be driving 1 litre diesel's while the unemployed perso will be driving around in 7 or 8 year old Range Rover

How about making a different lifestyle choice and moving closer to where you work?

nogoodnamesleft · 07-03-2012 09:58AM

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

Another brillant idea from the green lobby add more tax to the worker forced to commute to work because of poor public transport. Another reason for someone to stay on the dole I love when people have brillant idea's like this. You still will not be able to buy the car you want as you will have to factor in your fuel bill we will all be driving 1 litre diesel's while the unemployed perso will be driving around in 7 or 8 year old Range Rover

You do realise that this system is in operation in the UK for a number of years?

Its a lot fairer system IMO. Road tax for my car (Vw passat diesel) is £165 for a year. Diesel has an additional tax. At the moment its fuel here (the UK) is around 1.44p for a litre of diesel. I drive more I pay more.

I cant understand why the government did not devise a similar system and implement it in the same way the UK did in the early 00s ! :mad:

Instead you have an artificial premium for cars 08 and newer and you have perfectly reliable large capacity engine cars going for peanuts.

Probably wont apply to me as I recon ill be living in the UK for a few years but is there any indication as to what sort of system they will hope to implement.

creedp · 07-03-2012 09:59AM

RoverJames wrote: »

I actually know very very few people who have a 2008 reg onwards car that's their own, a few have a company car alright.

Its the opposite with me .. a lot of people I know have post 08 cars privately owned .. however, not necessarily bought new. All the cars are 2L diesels except for one 2L 10 plate petrol Opel Antara which was purchased in Dec last for €18k ( I think they said list price was €40k). In this case they weighed up the purchase cost against the annual tax of €1,050 (pre budget increase) and decided it was worth it.

I think we should wait and see what these massive increases will be because if its anything like the 'massive' monetary increase announced in last budget for Band A cars it won't be too bad. Its funny how people who can afford to pay €20 - €40k for new cars were of the view that a €50 increase in their Motor Tax would stop them from changing their cars. Maybe it would but I can't understand why! However, if the % increase applied to Band A cars in budget is applied across the board then its going to be a serious problem.

2pack · 07-03-2012 10:02AM

car tax going up, motor fuel going up, further tax on heating oil going on, not to mention the other taxes
and wages decreasing, and thats if your lucky to have a job..
how are people suppose to pay, its just about getting extra revenue and the motorist is as always an easy target..
Probably mean some will take the chance and drive without taxing their car and some will say if you cant tax it then do not drive it, just leave the car at home but i like many live in the country and the nearest bus station is 5 miles away and train station is 36.
on top on that the road are falling apart out our way..

creedp · 07-03-2012 10:08AM

RXMPS wrote: »

Feel sorry for the people who bought 08 cars and up, thinking it was a good idea to have a modern fuel efficient car, with low tax rates, they were sold a lie again by the government, conned and betrayed.

I think we need a bit of perspective here ... do you not think the increased tax you pay as a result of the USC, non indexation of income tax rates, increased fuel duty, etc, etc, is more of a betrayal that a couple of hundred euro on the annual Motor Tax, especially as some people are already having to pay over a €1,00 a year. That's before they hit you with water/refuse charges, household tax, etc, etc,. If you drive much then I'd be more worriedabout a sharp increase in fuel tax .... ahem carbon [save the world] levy

creedp · 07-03-2012 10:14AM

Sesshoumaru wrote: »

How about making a different lifestyle choice and moving closer to where you work?

It it was a choice between paying the commute cost and selling a negative equity house and not being able to get a loan to buy another house closer to work .. I think its a no brainer which one I would choose. We're not all footloose and fancy free and loaded with cash. If we were we wouldn't be worrying about a couple of bob on our Motor Tax and fuel costs!

Elessar · 07-03-2012 10:19AM

Varadkar has already said they won't ever put motor tax on fuel so everyone can get that notion out of their head.

I recently bought a brand new car, because I wanted to and could afford it. It's tax band B €225 a year to tax. I can see it going to €300 in december, and higher next year. Still, I saw that coming, and tbh compared to the €900 I was paying for my old motor, anything less than that is a bonus for me. No point complaining, we all knew it was coming. Motor tax will only ever go one way - up.

drunkmonkey · 07-03-2012 10:20AM

creedp wrote: »

ahem carbon [save the world] levy

Our little token charges on cars and fuel won't cure the real global car pollution problem which is Brandi & Jarrod in there 4x4 and the other 310 million americans like them.

We get twin air fiat 500's they get these beasts in petrol with half the fuel costs we do.

Ireland is not going to change the weather, the sooner we grow up and learn that the better. Let's get big cars, use loads of petrol, even if we do that we'd probably produce less pollution in a year than detroit would in a week.

Sesshoumaru · 07-03-2012 10:24AM

creedp wrote: »

It it was a choice between paying the commute cost and selling a negative equity house and not being able to get a loan to buy another house closer to work .. I think its a no brainer which one I would choose. We're not all footloose and fancy free and loaded with cash. If we were we wouldn't be worrying about a couple of bob on our Motor Tax and fuel costs!

Your simple and homely way with words don't actually add any weight to your argument. Not everyone made the choice to buy a house far away from where they work and thereby necessitating a long commute everyday.

07-03-2012 10:26AM

Sesshoumaru wrote: »

......... Not everyone made the choice to buy a house far away from where they work and thereby necessitating a long commute everyday.

Imagine what house prices and rents would have been like if no one commuted more than a few miles to work.

creedp · 07-03-2012 10:26AM

Its not the US we should be referring to any more but China .. I was listening to some documentary recently concerning the Chinese motor industry and the statistics for increasing car ownership are phenomenal. Even so they are not too concerned about car size/efficiency as apparently they have a penchant for stretched limos with petrol V6/V8's. As above we really would want to get a bit of perspective here ..

mad muffin · 07-03-2012 10:27AM

I'm still scratching my head wondering how I was paying €358 on my old 1.4 99

Bora and then changed to a newer car (09) with a 1.4 tsi motor that has less co2

but end up paying €447 in motor tax

07-03-2012 10:29AM

creedp wrote: »

.............. petrol V6................

The Rover KV6 is in quite a few yokes in Chinese showrooms, it likes a drop of fuel.

creedp · 07-03-2012 10:30AM

Sesshoumaru wrote: »

Your simple and homely way with words don't actually add any weight to your argument. Not everyone made the choice to buy a house far away from where they work and thereby necessitating a long commute everyday.

Prefer to be simple and homely anyday that being a condascending ........... you are right of course not everbody did but I wasn't talking about everybody.

07-03-2012 10:30AM

mad muffin wrote: »

I'm still scratching my head wondering how I was paying €358 on my old 1.4 99

Bora and then changed to a newer car (09) with a 1.4 tsi motor that has less co2

but end up paying €447 in motor tax

........ because the 1999 1.4 you had wasn't assessed on Co2 emissions

dahamsta · 07-03-2012 10:34AM

Elessar wrote: »

Varadkar has already said they won't ever put motor tax on fuel so everyone can get that notion out of their head.

Varadker is a dick and a vote-whore, he'll do what he's told to do. We're in enough trouble as it is for doing what our politicians tell us to do. That's the problem.

mad muffin · 07-03-2012 10:36AM

RoverJames wrote: »

........ because the 1999 1.4 you had wasn't assessed on Co2 emissions

Yeah I realise that. It just doesn't make any sense.

listermint · 07-03-2012 10:46AM

Elessar wrote: »

Varadkar has already said they won't ever put motor tax on fuel so everyone can get that notion out of their head.

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Ha, your gas. The government have said ALOT of things. Its called lies, they do it on a daily basis. In fact they tell so many of them i think they have trouble distinguishing the truth from the crap they spout.

How many u turns / bends / backwards and side swipes have they and previous governments done.

Im sorry to have actually taken one media whore politician at his word, more fool you for thinking what he says is either true or permanent. They change their attitudes on a whim.

Elessar · 07-03-2012 10:48AM

listermint wrote: »

Ha, your gas. The government have said ALOT of things. Its called lies, they do it on a daily basis. In fact they tell so many of them i think they have trouble distinguishing the truth from the crap they spout.

How many u turns / bends / backwards and side swipes have they and previous governments done.

Im sorry to have actually taken one media whore politician at his word, more fool you for thinking what he says is either true or permanent. They change their attitudes on a whim.

A lot of anger there buddy! TBH I'll believe it when I see it.

Joe 90 · 07-03-2012 10:52AM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

youd suddenly have every new car in Ireland made out of carbon fibre, with no spare tyre, no bumpers and 15 litre fuel tanks just to get the weight down.

Roll it on provided they have a decent sized non turbo petrol engine.

Sesshoumaru · 07-03-2012 10:53AM

RoverJames wrote: »

Imagine what house prices and rents would have been like if no one commuted more than a few miles to work.

I imagine a lot more people would have rented and less people would have bought. I think this would have been a great stabilising factor for both rent and house prices.

listermint · 07-03-2012 10:54AM

Elessar wrote: »

A lot of anger there buddy! TBH I'll believe it when I see it.

Why wouldnt one be angry, Were in major trouble in this country. Theyve failed to do anything so far to address the issues.

I mean for god sake they cant even build a childrens hospital, 10 years of boomy boomyness and we are still arguing over the location of it.

I cant see anything that the government has done to be satisfied with.

And the car tax system and its many variants of charging rates is a prime example of how disorganised the entire system is. It can be held up as an example of indecision and party interests that lies with irish politics and the civil service as a whole.

Joe 90 · 07-03-2012 10:54AM

Bigus wrote: »

10,000 less petrol and 9,000 less Diesel per day ! How much of a Reduction in C02 output is that per annum for Ireland?

Goes to prove the Co2 system is working well and reducing or dependence on IMPORTED oil AND reducing our Co2 output which was the whole point of the Greens in the first place and the current Government want to go f*ck this up now.

Of course, if reducing CO2 is the priority, just don't buy Chinese tat.

07-03-2012 10:56AM

Sesshoumaru wrote: »

I imagine a lot more people would have rented and less people would have bought. I think this would have been a great stabilising factor for both rent and house prices.

Lots more people renting would have meant increases in rent (drastic, and they were very high in the mid 00s anyway while huge amounts of Dublin workers were moving out to Kildare, Laois and even Cavan).

Rent prices may well have stabilised, but at very high rates.

listermint · 07-03-2012 10:59AM

RoverJames wrote: »

Lots more people renting would have meant increases in rent (drastic, and they were very high in the mid 00s anyway while huge amounts of Dublin workers were moving out to Kildare, Laois and even Cavan).

Rent prices may well have stabilised, but at very high rates.

True, but would have left alot less negative equity hanging over the economy. which is something we still havent addressed yet.

Huge hike in road tax as motor cash dries up

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