Doing 80/ 90 in a 100 zone, why?

andyseadog · 06-03-2012 12:33PM #1

Hey, you people doing 80/ 90 km/h in a 100km/h zone with your car half in and half out of the hard shoulder, what in the name of christ are you trying to achieve?

the road is wide and safe enough and easily able to handle 100+ km/h.

are you scared to do 100km/h?
do you enjoy holding other people up?
do you intentionally want to cause a hazard when people try to overtake you?
is your car not capable of 100km/h?
are you just ****ing stupid and/ or have no respect for others who actually have places to be?

you are also then the same people who don't slow down when it comes to a town or village.

Clonroche in Co. Wexford seems to be a magnet for this. Last night for example on the stretch of road from Enniscorthy to Clonroche on the larger piece of main road (with hard shoulder, average traffic) with a 100km/h limit there is a man driving his car in font of me doing 70km/h. now its night time, ok but its a dry clear night with temperatures well above zero. every attempt to creep up behind him and overtake was met with him moving from his 50/ 50 hard shoulder position to back into the driving lane.

so he continues to hold me up for a few miles, then continues to go through Clonroche village (which is littered with crosses from road traffic accidents) at 70 ish km/h well over the speed limit of 50!

passes through the village back onto a piece of 100km/h roadway and continues to hold me up. this seems to happen 24/7 on this stretch of road in both directions, i understand parts of it aren't great and dropping speed for corners etc is fine but this is a main route and obstructing it like that should carry a penalty!

i'm not a road rager, and i dont "speed" everywhere but i have a tight schedule most of the time and if at all possible i do like to be on the speed limit. i'm on the road well over 500 miles a week and i see a lot of shocking stuff (seen a person driving up a motorway down ramp on the N11 at the glen of the downs last week) but the Irish seem to have a love affair with being 10km/h under the speed limit and being 50/ 50 in and out of the hard shoulder.

WHY WILL YOU NOT JUST SPEED UP, IT WOULD ACTUALLY BE SAFER!

i dont usually post riddiculous rants, this might even get locked, so apologies if it does but i had to vent :P

corktina · 06-03-2012 12:38PM

anyone is entitled to do whatever speed they want up to the limit. Just leave home a bit earlier .

Having said that, I think slow drivers often could be a bit more couteous and pull over to allow others past

naoise80 · 06-03-2012 12:38PM

Leave earlier and relax.

Alanstrainor · 06-03-2012 12:39PM

People are idiots. I find this explains away 90% of the world's problems:D

MugMugs · 06-03-2012 12:39PM

In before the it's a limit not a target brigade

andyseadog · 06-03-2012 12:44PM

hey, i firmly believe in "its a limit, not a target".

but you also have certain expectations of a road. like when its a major road, with a 100km/h limit, i would like to do that, or close to that, not close to half that. i have a lot of dedications to meet (as i'm sure others in the tailback behind me do too) and time is often an issue so sometimes "leaving earlier" just isn't an option. i know a trip from wicklow to waterford generally takes around 1 hour 45 minutes in average traffic, until you come across larry go slow doing half the speed limit for the next 10 miles for no obvious reason. driving dramatically less than the limit with no justification other than your own peculiarity should warrant reprecussions.

Mycroft H · 06-03-2012 12:46PM

andyseadog wrote: »

Hey, you people doing 80/ 90 km/h in a 100km/h zone with your car half in and half out of the hard shoulder, what in the name of christ are you trying to achieve?

the road is wide and safe enough and easily able to handle 100+ km/h.

are you scared to do 100km/h?
do you enjoy holding other people up?
do you intentionally want to cause a hazard when people try to overtake you?
is your car not capable of 100km/h?
are you just ****ing stupid and/ or have no respect for others who actually have places to be?

If it bothers you that much, drive another route or drive at 2am when everyone is in bed.

I cruise along at 80-90km/h for fuel economy reasons. My car is well capable of exceeding 100km/h but with the price of fuel I'll stick to that speed.

80km/h in a 100 zone is an entirely reasonable speed.

Intentionally causing a hazard? I think the person dangerously overtaking is the hazard not the person doing 80km/h.

Scared of doing 100km/h? If a learner is doing 80km/h in a 100 zone let them, we were all there once.

Nonoperational · 06-03-2012 12:47PM

Because a large amount of people sit into the car, don't concentrate, don't give a ****e about other road users and generally barely have a clue about whats going on on the road ahead. They then freak out at you and look at you like your a criminal when you beep at them for almost taking you out when they cross lanes at the roundabout ahead. It's astonishing really the stuff that goes on on the road.

Atomic Pineapple · 06-03-2012 12:49PM

80km/h in a 100km/h zone, if only that was all we had to put up with, the N2 has constantly people traveling between 60 and 70 km/h maybe peaking at 80km/h if there's a straight longer than a runway.

Irish drivers are getting dumbed down and becoming less capable so its inevitable that drivers becomes less able to drive safely at all let alone safely at the speed limit.

Indricotherium · 06-03-2012 12:49PM

andyseadog wrote: »

hey, i firmly believe in "its a limit, not a target".

but you also have certain expectations of a road. like when its a major road, with a 100km/h limit, i would like to do that, or close to that, not close to half that. i have a lot of dedications to meet (as i'm sure others in the tailback behind me do too) and time is often an issue so sometimes "leaving earlier" just isn't an option. i know a trip from wicklow to waterford generally takes around 1 hour 45 minutes in average traffic, until you come across larry go slow doing half the speed limit for the next 10 miles for no obvious reason. driving dramatically less than the limit with no justification other than your own peculiarity should warrant reprecussions.

10 below the limit is far from half any speed limit.

Turning into more of rant now. Schedule your day better and stop being such a rager.

If they are doing half the limit you should probably invest in some confident / assertive driving lessons and learn to overtake.

andyseadog · 06-03-2012 12:51PM

BX 19 wrote: »

If it bothers you that much, drive another route or drive at 2am when everyone is in bed.

I cruise along at 80-90km/h for fuel economy reasons. My car is well capable of exceeding 100km/h but with the price of fuel I'll stick to that speed.

80km/h in a 100 zone is an entirely reasonable speed.

Intentionally causing a hazard? I think the person dangerously overtaking is the hazard not the person doing 80km/h.

Scared of doing 100km/h? If a learner is doing 80km/h in a 100 zone let them, we were all there once.

how much do you save in fuel?

its circumstance dependent obviously, but in good conditions i dont see why the speed limit cant be reached on a major road?

the person 50/50 in and out of the hard shoulder is clearly the hazard as they aren't able to keep a competent pace with the rest of traffic.

yeah, cool let learners learn, i remember getting my driving lessons and my instructor told me to always look confident better be on or slightly over the limit if needs be keeping competent pace rather than holding up traffic.

mailforkev · 06-03-2012 12:51PM

To be honest, some people just should not be driving (and as mentioned above, a lot of people are idiots).

There was another thread here the othe day about people being afraid to drive at night, it's the exact same deal.

Unless you have the confidence to drive at the speed limit, at any time of day/night, in any weather, on any road etc., you should just keep to the bus as the rest of us don't need you causing an accident around us.

Indricotherium · 06-03-2012 12:54PM

andyseadog wrote: »

BX 19 wrote: »

If it bothers you that much, drive another route or drive at 2am when everyone is in bed.

I cruise along at 80-90km/h for fuel economy reasons. My car is well capable of exceeding 100km/h but with the price of fuel I'll stick to that speed.

80km/h in a 100 zone is an entirely reasonable speed.

Intentionally causing a hazard? I think the person dangerously overtaking is the hazard not the person doing 80km/h.

Scared of doing 100km/h? If a learner is doing 80km/h in a 100 zone let them, we were all there once.

how much do you save in fuel?

its circumstance dependent obviously, but in good conditions i dont see why the speed limit cant be reached on a major road?

the person 50/50 in and out of the hard shoulder is clearly the hazard as they aren't able to keep a competent pace with the rest of traffic.

yeah, cool let learners learn, i remember getting my driving lessons and my instructor told me to always look confident better be on or slightly over the limit if needs be keeping competent pace rather than holding up traffic.

I actually meant you need the lessons.

Anan1 · 06-03-2012 12:57PM

mailforkev wrote: »

Unless you have the confidence to drive at the speed limit, at any time of day/night, in any weather, on any road etc., you should just keep to the bus as the rest of us don't need you causing an accident around us.

?? If you had any experience of driving then you'd know that this is complete and utter nonsense.

andyseadog · 06-03-2012 12:57PM

Indricotherium wrote: »

I actually meant you need the lessons.

why? what have i done wrong?

Indricotherium · 06-03-2012 01:01PM

Indricotherium wrote: »

andyseadog wrote: »

BX 19 wrote: »

If it bothers you that much, drive another route or drive at 2am when everyone is in bed.

I cruise along at 80-90km/h for fuel economy reasons. My car is well capable of exceeding 100km/h but with the price of fuel I'll stick to that speed.

80km/h in a 100 zone is an entirely reasonable speed.

Intentionally causing a hazard? I think the person dangerously overtaking is the hazard not the person doing 80km/h.

Scared of doing 100km/h? If a learner is doing 80km/h in a 100 zone let them, we were all there once.

how much do you save in fuel?

its circumstance dependent obviously, but in good conditions i dont see why the speed limit cant be reached on a major road?

the person 50/50 in and out of the hard shoulder is clearly the hazard as they aren't able to keep a competent pace with the rest of traffic.

yeah, cool let learners learn, i remember getting my driving lessons and my instructor told me to always look confident better be on or slightly over the limit if needs be keeping competent pace rather than holding up traffic.

I actually meant you need the lessons.

Well you're moaning about people "doing half the limit" and you being stuck behind them.

That certaintly sounds like you lack the confidence or competence to overtake.

creedp · 06-03-2012 01:03PM

corktina wrote: »

anyone is entitled to do whatever speed they want up to the limit. Just leave home a bit earlier .

Having said that, I think slow drivers often could be a bit more couteous and pull over to allow others past

I agree with this point of view .. you can do whatever spped you like but consider others alos who are entitled to drive up to the speed limit. Its funny how being entitled to drive at 10 km/h below the speed takes precedence over being entitled to drive at the speed limit for lots of people. There are some days (not too often mind) that I will not feel like driving at 100km/h and thst's fine by me but if I notice in my rear view mirro a number of cars behind me I will pull over at earliest opportunity to let them out as as far as I am concerned they are entitled to be on the road just the same as I am.

To be honest for me the biggeest crime here is this hanging half in/half out of the hard shoulder ... what is that all about? Either get in to the bloody thing and let people past or else get back into the carraigeway and stop annoying people and encouraging them to try and overtake when they really shouldn't. Smacks of ignorance and 'I'm all that matters in the world' attitude.

MugMugs · 06-03-2012 01:04PM

draffodx wrote: »

80km/h in a 100km/h zone, if only that was all we had to put up with, the N2 has constantly people traveling between 60 and 70 km/h maybe peaking at 80km/h if there's a straight longer than a runway.

Irish drivers are getting dumbed down and becoming less capable so its inevitable that drivers becomes less able to drive safely at all let alone safely at the speed limit.

Bad example of a road though. Between Ashborne and Slane they are slowly killing that road to push everybody onto the M1. "Sure stick some traffic lights into a medium sized junction there and kill the speed limit to 60 / 80kmh for nearly 2km's past the lights !"

Mycroft H · 06-03-2012 01:05PM

andyseadog wrote: »

how much do you save in fuel?

its circumstance dependent obviously, but in good conditions i dont see why the speed limit cant be reached on a major road?

the person 50/50 in and out of the hard shoulder is clearly the hazard as they aren't able to keep a competent pace with the rest of traffic.

yeah, cool let learners learn, i remember getting my driving lessons and my instructor told me to always look confident better be on or slightly over the limit if needs be keeping competent pace rather than holding up traffic.

My car peaks at 55mpg at about 90km/h. Its starts to tail off when you exceed that speed. When your driving 300 miles in a week, every little helps.

In an entirely unscientific calculation lets do some sums. Wexford town centre to Dublin City centre = 137km

Lets have an average speed of 90km/h (which would be hard to do) = average time of 1.31 minutes.

Average speed of 100km/h (even harder to do) = 1.22 minutes.

Saving yourself 9 minutes? Practically nothing in it.

Macy0161 · 06-03-2012 01:07PM

BX 19 wrote: »

If it bothers you that much, drive another route or drive at 2am when everyone is in bed.

I cruise along at 80-90km/h for fuel economy reasons. My car is well capable of exceeding 100km/h but with the price of fuel I'll stick to that speed.

80km/h in a 100 zone is an entirely reasonable speed.

Intentionally causing a hazard? I think the person dangerously overtaking is the hazard not the person doing 80km/h.

Scared of doing 100km/h? If a learner is doing 80km/h in a 100 zone let them, we were all there once.

And if you're causing a massive tailback behind? Fair enough you want to save fuel, but that shouldn't inconvenience others. If others want to, and think it's safe to, drive nearer the limit, slower drivers should have the courtesy to pull in every so often to let traffic past imo - punish it under "Driving without reasonable consideration" if there's a 10 -15 car tail back behind.

andyseadog · 06-03-2012 01:08PM

Indricotherium wrote: »

Well you're moaning about people "doing half the limit" and you being stuck behind them.

That certaintly sounds like you lack the confidence or competence to overtake.

no, its actually their lack of confidence to do the speed limit.

i'm perfectly confident at overtaking, its just waiting for a safe opertunity to do so thats a pain.

Mycroft H · 06-03-2012 01:11PM

Macy0161 wrote: »

And if you're causing a massive tailback behind? Fair enough you want to save fuel, but that shouldn't inconvenience others. If others want to, and think it's safe to, drive nearer the limit, slower drivers should have the courtesy to pull in every so often to let traffic past imo - punish it under "Driving without reasonable consideration" if there's a 10 -15 car tail back behind.

Of course. I'll pull into the shoulder and let people pass but I won't actually pull to a stop. I'm no ass.

Atomic Pineapple · 06-03-2012 01:11PM

MugMugs wrote: »

Bad example of a road though. Between Ashborne and Slane they are slowly killing that road to push everybody onto the M1. "Sure stick some traffic lights into a medium sized junction there and kill the speed limit to 60 / 80kmh for nearly 2km's past the lights !"

Pretty much any national road is the same though, between Slane and those lights the road is well capable of handling traffic at 100 km/h bar a few small sections yet there's constantly a snake like trail of cars stuck behind someone driving far too slow for the road and its conditions.

Previously this would have been fine as most people would have overtook meaning anyone who wanted to could get by but because of the speed cameras and such you now have the vast majority afraid to overtake, this leads to a huge tail of cars snaking along at a speed far below what is safely achievable and cuts off the possibility of overtaking safely.

biko · 06-03-2012 01:12PM

andyseadog wrote: »

WHY WILL YOU NOT JUST SPEED UP, IT WOULD ACTUALLY BE SAFER!

Only if you have a "now look what you made me do, I just had to overtake and put everyone in danger" attitude

The road is there for everyone and not everyone will have the same style of driving.
But yeah, roadsnails can piss me off too. And tractors, lorries, wimmins, old men, business men in flash cars, boyracers, pedestrians, cyclists, taxis, ... Pretty much everyone who isn't like me.

smash · 06-03-2012 01:12PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFZrzg62Zj0

Just overtake them!

gyppo · 06-03-2012 01:14PM

Macy0161 wrote: »

And if you're causing a massive tailback behind? Fair enough you want to save fuel, but that shouldn't inconvenience others. If others want to, and think it's safe to, drive nearer the limit, slower drivers should have the courtesy to pull in every so often to let traffic past imo - punish it under "Driving without reasonable consideration" if there's a 10 -15 car tail back behind.

Why should the person pull in??
If the road conditions allow other users to overtake them, why should a driver who is not driving at the limit pull in?
What happens if he pulls in and there is debris on his path? Or a car/tractor exits from a driveway or gateway?

Very often, it is the person who is directly behind the slow driver who hasnt the bottle or gumption to overtake him is the actual cause of the tailback.

Stark · 06-03-2012 01:19PM

naoise80 wrote: »

Leave earlier and relax.

How much earlier is reasonable? It's quite telling imo that building motorways that run parallel to old routes has resulted in journey times being for the most part halved. (Dublin-Galway from 4 to 2 hours, Urlingford to Cork from 2 hours to 1 hour for example). And that's with people doing the speed limit on the new motorways.

Mycroft H · 06-03-2012 01:20PM

gyppo wrote: »

Why should the person pull in??
If the road conditions allow other users to overtake them, why should a driver who is not driving at the limit pull in?
What happens if he pulls in and there is debris on his path? Or a car/tractor exits from a driveway or gateway?

Very often, it is the person who is directly behind the slow driver who hasnt the bottle or gumption to overtake him is the actual cause of the tailback.

100% agree there.

When I need to move a little bit faster there is often times when I've floored it past 3-4 cars who are hiding behind a lorry ect. I'll only do it when I have the room and a open enough stretch of road to do it safely.

But those people are often only waiting for someone else to do it first to follow them as they dont have the initiative to do it themselves.

andyseadog · 06-03-2012 01:21PM

BX 19 wrote: »

My car peaks at 55mpg at about 90km/h. Its starts to tail off when you exceed that speed. When your driving 300 miles in a week, every little helps.

In an entirely unscientific calculation lets do some sums. Wexford town centre to Dublin City centre = 137km

Lets have an average speed of 90km/h (which would be hard to do) = average time of 1.31 minutes.

Average speed of 100km/h (even harder to do) = 1.22 minutes.

Saving yourself 9 minutes? Practically nothing in it.

but how much are you saving in fuel? €1, 2 euro? worth it?

dont give me "over the course of a year" nonsense, on a day to day basis how much do you save?

my car does 48-50mpg on a long run at 100km/h which is very similar to your figure and im on tiem and in nobodys way.

MaxFlower · 06-03-2012 01:22PM

gyppo wrote: »

Very often, it is the person who is directly behind the slow driver who hasnt the bottle or gumption to overtake him is the actual cause of the tailback.

Or they don't leave a sufficient gap in front to allow others to overtake them. Tailgating seems to be a national pastime.

gyppo · 06-03-2012 01:22PM

Stark wrote: »

How much earlier is reasonable? It's quite telling imo that building motorways that run parallel to old routes has resulted in journey times being for the most part halved. (Dublin-Galway from 4 to 2 hours, Urlingford to Cork from 2 hours to 1 hour for example). And that's with people doing the speed limit on the new motorways.

Motorways don't traverse through town centres.
Buses don't stop to load/unload passengers on motorways.
Lorries don't do deliveries on motorways.
Parents don't stop to drop off/collect kids from school on motorways.
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Doing 80/ 90 in a 100 zone, why?

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