I really want Ireland to be 'fixed'.We live in a great country,its not right.

OMARS_COMING_ · 04-03-2012 01:40PM #1

Ireland is a broken place.I can't wait until we are back on out feet and making progress.

We really messed up.How did it ever get so bad.

CrazyRabbit · 04-03-2012 01:41PM

I have some Duct tape it that helps.

Duckworth_Luas · 04-03-2012 01:43PM

OMARS_COMING_ wrote: »

Ireland is a broken place.I can't wait until we are back on out feet and making progress.

We really messed up.How did it ever get so bad.

Don't worry, the Irish people are getting ready to reelect Fianna Fáil at the next general election. We'll be back to our normal levels of corruption, stupidity and incompetence by then.

GombeanMan · 04-03-2012 01:43PM

Vote "No" to the upcoming fiscal compact. If a "Yes" vote is passed. You can kiss Ireland as a Sovreign nation goodbye.

Immaculate Pasta · 04-03-2012 01:45PM

What exactly did we mess up and why are we broken?

I've heard no talk on any of this sort of thing before

Superbus · 04-03-2012 01:46PM

Yep.

*rocks awkwardly on feet*

squod · 04-03-2012 01:46PM

OMARS_COMING_ wrote: »

Ireland is a broken place.I can't wait until we are back on out feet and making progress.

We really messed up.How did it ever get so bad.

We? WTF? I didn't do jack mate. Don't include me in this.

mikom · 04-03-2012 01:46PM

OMARS_COMING_ wrote: »

Ireland is a broken place.I can't wait until we are back on out feet and making progress.

We really messed up.How did it ever get so bad.

The first step to recovery is through regular use of the space bar.

syklops · 04-03-2012 01:46PM

GombeanMan wrote: »

Vote "No" to the upcoming fiscal compact. If a "Yes" vote is passed. You can kiss Ireland as a Sovreign nation goodbye.

Gombeen is right.

lividduck · 04-03-2012 01:47PM

GombeanMan wrote: »

Vote "No" to the upcoming fiscal compact. If a "Yes" vote is passed. You can kiss Ireland as a Sovreign nation goodbye.

gombeen comment, the fiscal compact doesn't affect the very limited soverigty that we as a small open economy can ever have.

lividduck · 04-03-2012 01:49PM

Duckworth_Luas wrote: »

Don't worry, the Irish people are getting ready to reelect Fianna Fáil at the next general election. We'll be back to our normal levels of corruption, stupidity and incompetence by then.

Judging by the behaviour of the Fg/lab mob we never lost our appetite for corruption, incompetence, or parish pump politics.

swingking · 04-03-2012 01:49PM

Well I can't believe that snake Ahern showed up at the ff ard dheis. He should be strung by the balls :mad:

squod · 04-03-2012 01:50PM

swingking wrote: »

Well I can't believe that snake Ahern showed up at the ff ard dheis. He should be strung by the balls :mad:

Cowen first, then every complicit member of the dept of finance.

connundrum · 04-03-2012 01:50PM

CrazyRabbit wrote: »

I have some Duct tape it that helps.

I remember being a kid, thinking that this was the cruellest of tapes available. The poor ducks ffs.

That was back in poor, 'unbroken' Ireland. Ah the good times

GombeanMan · 04-03-2012 01:56PM

syklops wrote: »

Gombeen is right.

It's a shame the Czechs and British were the only countries with sense to oppose draconian legislation. I have read all 11 pages. It uses dodgy, vague terms like "European Stability Mechanism" and "Growth Pact". If you read between the lines, these term basically mean more legalized theft on behalf of the Troika/IMF/EU. Sovereignty is the most important cornerstone for any country. Take it away, it becomes a non country. This is another large step in that dangerous direction.

GombeanMan · 04-03-2012 01:59PM

lividduck wrote: »

gombeen comment, the fiscal compact doesn't affect the very limited soverigty that we as a small open economy can ever have.

Limited, yes. But limited is better than none. If we still wanted to trade within the Eurozone and reap the benefits of the economic +'s, we could simply join EFTA. Granted, that would lead to no more bailouts, but that would not be a bad thing. Sometimes you gotta face up to reality sooner than later.

lividduck · 04-03-2012 02:00PM

GombeanMan wrote: »

It's a shame the Czechs and British were the only countries with sense to oppose draconian legislation. I have read all 11 pages. It uses dodgy, vague terms like "European Stability Mechanism" and "Growth Pact". If you read between the lines, these term basically mean more legalized theft on behalf of the Troika/IMF/EU. Sovereignty is the most important cornerstone for any country. Take it away, it becomes a non country. This is another large step in that dangerous direction.

They are not vague terms, they refer to specific systems. As for "If you read between the lines" that is just another way of saying "I need to make something up, because the facts are against me".
When did we ever have soverignty? we used Sterling as our currency until we joined the EMS, now we depend on others to lend us cheap money.

Eric Cartman · 04-03-2012 02:02PM

OMARS_COMING_ wrote: »

We really messed up.How did it ever get so bad.

Socialism, dole scroungers, bailing out banks , suspended sentances for violent crimes , everyone becoming too PC to target the causes of most of the crimes.

GombeanMan · 04-03-2012 02:06PM

lividduck wrote: »

They are not vague terms, they refer to specific systems. As for "If you read between the lines" that is just another way of saying "I need to make something up, because the facts are against me".
When did we ever have soverignty? we used Sterling as our currency until we joined the EMS, now we depend on others to lend us cheap money.

Specific, failing systems. I won't argue with you, you are entitled not to agree with me. The most basic fact I base my argument upon is simple: The economy of the wider EU is chaotic at best. Why should I believe these People can bring stability over the next year or so, when the last 5 years have been nothing but a nightmare, fiscally speaking? Cheap, poorly regulated ECB credit is the root cause of all this misery. At least from my own research.

Atlantic Dawn · 04-03-2012 02:07PM

The country has a debt bill of over $500,000 per person, the only saviour is the vast oil and gas fields off our shores but these are being given away for a paltry 12.5% corporation tax. Rarely does a country get a 2nd chance, this is ours.

120_Minutes · 04-03-2012 02:13PM

OMARS_COMING_ wrote: »

.How did it ever get so bad.

In the 90's, for the first time in the history of the state, we got money.

then we got greedy, self important and self absorbed.

sadly, i doubt we've learned anything. its bound to happen again.

squod · 04-03-2012 02:13PM

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

The country has a debt bill of over $500,000 per person, the only saviour is the vast oil and gas fields off our shores but these are being given away for a paltry 12.5% corporation tax. Rarely does a country get a 2nd chance, this is ours.

Wind pumped hydro. We don't need outside help for that. The solution everyone wants to ignore.

wendell borton · 04-03-2012 02:15PM

You know what the trouble is, OP? We used to make **** in this country, build ****. Now we just put our hand in the next guy's pocket.

OMARS_COMING_ · 04-03-2012 02:15PM

120_Minutes wrote: »

In the 90's, for the first time in the history of the state, we got money.

then we got greedy, self important and self absorbed.

sadly, i doubt we've learned anything. its bound to happen again.

Considering that recessions happen every few years anyway looking back in history,isnt it fair to day that we havent learnt from past mistakes and its just like a vicious circle?

GombeanMan · 04-03-2012 02:16PM

OMARS_COMING_ wrote: »

Considering that recessions happen every few years anyway looking back in history,isnt it fair to day that we havent learnt from past mistakes and its just like a vicious circle?

This recession is nothing like the previous ones. The Great Depression is the closest reference point in my mind. This recession appears partly engineered to me. Debt is not an indication of actual value, just a bunch of numbers used to enslve people. How much gold or other metals is really behind the euro? Not too much I am guessing. Back to the gold standard I say.

ThinkAboutIt · 04-03-2012 02:17PM

If you don't listen to the news, you won't notice anything is "broken," go out and live life and forget about everyone else's moaning, don't let them bring you down.

mikemac1 · 04-03-2012 02:17PM

120_Minutes wrote: »

then we got greedy, self important and self absorbed.

OMARS_COMING_ wrote: »

We really messed up.

Sorry lads

I didn't realize I'd sold out my country and brought it to ruin

What's this "we"

lividduck · 04-03-2012 02:20PM

mikemac1 wrote: »

Sorry lads

I didn't realize I'd sold out my country and brought it to ruin

What's this "we"

Enda says you did with your "madness, madness I say, all mad mad mad":D

GombeanMan · 04-03-2012 02:20PM

Duckworth_Luas wrote: »

Don't worry, the Irish people are getting ready to reelect Fianna Fáil at the next general election. We'll be back to our normal levels of corruption, stupidity and incompetence by then.

If Fianna Fail EVER gets into power again, I am jumping ship for much longer:D

GombeanMan · 04-03-2012 02:28PM

mikemac1 wrote: »

Our leader Bertie Ahern resigns

Country enters downward spiral soon afterwards

Coincidence??? I think not

Come back Bertie, all is forgiven.

It was just "resting" in his account:)

ItsAWindUp · 04-03-2012 02:31PM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Socialism, dole scroungers, bailing out banks , suspended sentances for violent crimes , everyone becoming too PC to target the causes of most of the crimes.

Eh, what socialism was that then?

I really want Ireland to be 'fixed'.We live in a great country,its not right.

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