All the Irish have left

Johnny Foreigner · 03-03-2012 05:16PM

EarthlyPangaea wrote: »

Your sudden outbreak of patriotism and your subsequent move to Ireland seem to coincide with the end of your drug dealing. Forgive me if I think that there's a much more ulterior motive to your point.

And btw, it's "moot point", not "mute point".

It was always in my long term plans to retire at 33 and live in Ireland.
I planned the move 10 years prior to that. The moved wasn't spontaneous, it was carefully planned as I had to wind down the business over a period of 5 years. It is not as easy to do that as one might think.
What do you think my ulterior motive is?
I would genuinely like to know.

al28283 · 03-03-2012 05:17PM

Johnny Foreigner wrote: »

One can never know. Its a mute point.

I think you mean "moot point"

RachaelVO · 03-03-2012 05:18PM

al28283 wrote: »

Again, if you have read the entire thread, the disagreement here is mainly based around national identity, which is really what the OP is about.
i.e Someone who has lived here for 3 years complaining that we are not Irish enough anymore

This back and forth went on about whether he's Irish or not. He is! Doesn't matter how long he's living in the country or not!

I disagree with him, I think we're more Irish now then we EVER were, and we're (to use a stupid phrase) "finding ourselves" again by which I mean finding our Irishness. All we need is to find our kick a$$ spirit and stop going cap in had to the EU. I personally think that is probably the point he's making.

200yrolecrank · 03-03-2012 05:19PM

Johnny Foreigner wrote: »

200yrolecrank wrote: »

How do you know that the pills you sold didn't lead to a death an accident or a psychotic episode.
Unfortunately the way the law is people have to resort to drug dealers for their kicks but I wouldn't be proud of that as an occupation or revel in the fact that you got people high.
To be honest I would have less respect for you for continuing on in such a vile business given the amount of time you dealt these drugs surely you could have gotten a better position in society in that time frame.

One can never know. Its a mute point.
I am not proud of what I did. I retired from it and walked away.
I would not advise anyone to be a drug dealer, you have two choices in that game; jail or the grave.
I make no apology for what I did.
In terms of position in society, yes I could have attained something better with moral standing as society perceives it. But that wasn't my modus operandi at the time.
I was a capitalist. I sold drugs at a profit. Social standing didn't come into it. I was motivated by greed.
I then realised that no amount of remuneration was worth sacrificing my liberty. I saw some very close people to me either in up in jail or the grave, so I decided to quit when I was ahead and retire.
It was colourful life that brought me to over 20 countries, and paid for my education. But I wouldn't go back to it.

While were all no angels everyone deserves s second chance.
On tge fact that your British born to Irish parents and probably hold am Irish passport,I think you have every right to claim your Irish.
Your folks moved out of necessity and you happened to be reared by Irish parents,hold an Irish passport etc.
I have cousins born in Africa to Irish parents,moved to the Uk and were reared and educated in the Uk.
All 3 of them hold Irish passports,travel home here several times a year and when asked where they are from say Irish living in England.
They all know more about Irish history,poets,literature than I do.

n900guy · 03-03-2012 05:22PM

Johnny Foreigner wrote: »

All the Irish have left;

Ireland has become a country of bastardised American and British culture.
The next thing the EU will want us to do is drive left hand drive cars on the right side of the road, in order to harmonise with the rest of the EU.

So bastardised by american and british culture.....yet it's the EU's fault. The doublethink is amazing.

Johnny Foreigner · 03-03-2012 05:24PM

al28283 wrote: »

What exactly is it your arguing? At first you were complaining that Ireland is not Irish enough anymore and now you're complaining that I wouldn't consider foreign nationals to be Irish.
By your latest reasoning, anything we do, be it our currency or what side of the road we drive on would become Irish as soon as we start doing it in Ireland, so what exactly is the problem?

I will clarify things for you.
I am Irish, but you do not think I am Irish; as I was born to Irish parents in London.
You think I am British and have no right to call myself Irish.
My argument is that I have dual nationality, both British and Irish. Therefore I can call myself British or Irish. That is my decision, not yours to judge if I am Irish or not.
You are confusing ethnicity, nationality, and citizenship.
My parents were Irish, so I am Irish. It does not matter where I was born.
You think where you are born matters more than your parents nationality.
With regard to currency, or side of the road we drive on; they are different issues.
My point is that the EU is making Ireland less Irish, and more European by imposing EU laws on Ireland.

Johnny Foreigner · 03-03-2012 05:26PM

200yrolecrank wrote: »

While were all no angels everyone deserves s second chance.
On tge fact that your British born to Irish parents and probably hold am Irish passport,I think you have every right to claim your Irish.
Your folks moved out of necessity and you happened to be reared by Irish parents,hold an Irish passport etc.
I have cousins born in Africa to Irish parents,moved to the Uk and were reared and educated in the Uk.
All 3 of them hold Irish passports,travel home here several times a year and when asked where they are from say Irish living in England.
They all know more about Irish history,poets,literature than I do.

Thank you very much for your post.
You talk a lot of sense.

al28283 · 03-03-2012 05:28PM

Johnny Foreigner wrote: »

My point is that the EU is making Ireland less Irish, and more European by imposing EU laws on Ireland.

But you were just arguing in favour of English born footballers playing in the Irish team. Why is it any different to look to the EU for help in the economy than to look to England for help in sports? You're not making any sense

Johnny Foreigner · 03-03-2012 05:32PM

al28283 wrote: »

But you were just arguing in favour of English born footballers playing in the Irish team. Why is it any different to look to the EU for help in the economy than to look to England for help in sports? You're not making any sense

It is you that is not making any sense.
My point is that I am Irish, the same as the footballers in the Italia 90 Republic of Ireland team. You are saying that if you are not born in Ireland, you are not Irish.
It is something very different looking for a bailout from the EU, to Irish players playing for their country.
You are confusing nationality, with Ireland losing its sovereignty to the EU.
They are two different things.
Here is some advice for you:
When in hole, stop digging.

Nodin · 03-03-2012 05:33PM

Johnny Foreigner wrote: »

One can never know. Its a mute point.
I am not proud of what I did. I retired from it and walked away.
I would not advise anyone to be a drug dealer, you have two choices in that game; jail or the grave.
I make no apology for what I did.
In terms of position in society, yes I could have attained something better with moral standing as society perceives it. But that wasn't my modus operandi at the time.
I was a capitalist. I sold drugs at a profit. Social standing didn't come into it. I was motivated by greed.
I then realised that no amount of remuneration was worth sacrificing my liberty. I saw some very close people to me either in up in jail or the grave, so I decided to quit when I was ahead and retire.
It was colourful life that brought me to over 20 countries, and paid for my education. But I wouldn't go back to it.

Yes, you're great.

Now explain how the EU is to blame for anglicisation. Doubtless your university education will help you formulate a succinct and coherent reply.

GreenWolfe · 03-03-2012 05:34PM

Johnny Foreigner wrote: »

It was always in my long term plans to retire at 33 and live in Ireland.
I planned the move 10 years prior to that. The moved wasn't spontaneous, it was carefully planned as I had to wind down the business over a period of 5 years. It is not as easy to do that as one might think.
What do you think my ulterior motive is?
I would genuinely like to know.

Right, so you live in England all of your life. Allegedly deal drugs for almost two decades, and plan to move to Ireland once you have enough of that life.

Don't even begin to berate us for a lack of Irishness just so that you can skip away to another country at your own convenience. The issue here personally is not Irishness, or national identity. It's the OP exploiting a random quirk of the circumstances of his birth so he can easily enter another jurisdiction to try and avoid responsibility for what he's allegedly done. And after all that, complain that the people here aren't what you expected?

If you had any delusions of being a businessman, or some kind of (alleged) gentleman drug dealer stop right there. You may have avoided jail, and you may have an Oxford education. It does not stop you being a nasty piece of work. It just makes you a well-educated nasty piece of work.

Using your dual nationality to cover your alleged crimes in another jurisdiction is totally unethical.

Blackpitts · 03-03-2012 05:35PM

johnny is right...it is definitely EU's fault!
all the money EU lent to Ireland almost for free to help the country to develop back in the 80's was a trap! all the f*ck ups FF and Bertie have made in the last 10 years were also part of some dirty plot put together by France and Germany ... i'm not sure what's the plot but I'm sure Johnny knows more!

zenno · 03-03-2012 05:39PM

Johnny Foreigner wrote: »

My point is that the EU is making Ireland less Irish, and more European by imposing EU laws on Ireland.

Well this is correct but we better get a move on in the learning of the German language. even micheal martian

has a hidden point...

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al28283 · 03-03-2012 05:40PM

Johnny Foreigner wrote: »

You are saying that if you are not born in Ireland, you are not Irish.

You are saying that if we accept something as Irish, it is Irish. Therefore no matter how we choose to do things it becomes Irish automatically. If we accept an Eu law, then it is Irish law, if we choose to drive on the opther side of the road, then that's the Irish way of driving. You are arguing two opposing points neither of them very well.
You just think you're so superior that you can't even see it.

Johnny Foreigner · 03-03-2012 05:54PM

EarthlyPangaea wrote: »

Right, so you live in England all of your life. Allegedly deal drugs for almost two decades, and plan to move to Ireland once you have enough of that life.

Don't even begin to berate us for a lack of Irishness just so that you can skip away to another country at your own convenience. The issue here personally is not Irishness, or national identity. It's the OP exploiting a random quirk of the circumstances of his birth so he can easily enter another jurisdiction to try and avoid responsibility for what he's allegedly done. And after all that, complain that the people here aren't what you expected?

If you had any delusions of being a businessman, or some kind of (alleged) gentleman drug dealer stop right there. You may have avoided jail, and you may have an Oxford education. It does not stop you being a nasty piece of work. It just makes you a well-educated nasty piece of work.

Using your dual nationality to cover your crimes in another jurisdiction is totally unethical.

You are mistaken on a number of points.
I lived in England for 32 years. I have lived in Ireland 3 years.
I have not changed the jurisdiction in which I reside. I have lived all my life under the same jurisdiction; the EU. EU law supersedes both British and Irish law.
I am not a nasty piece of work. I was a drug dealer, who is now a law abiding citizen. I make no secret of the fact, and no apology for what I did.
I concede that I am well educated, and I paid dearly for that with my own means.
I came close to jail on a number of occasions, and I took it as warning that it was time to make a contingency plan for the future. I was fortunate in that I had enough available means to use good Crown Court Barristers to procure my liberty.
You may perceive that immigrant children of the Irish diaspora have no right to return and criticise our parents country, but I beg to differ. My parents sent money home all their working life and benefited the Irish economy. Now I have returned I am doing the same. The money I earned and saved during my 18 years working is now going back into the Irish economy.
I feel that I have a right to vote and express an opinion on Irish culture, politics, and economics as any Irish born person.
I don't see a difference between a bright criminal mind, and a bright honest mind. Sometimes its just a case of growing up on different sides of the tracks.
I have been coming to Ireland every year of my life, and I saw the changes EU membership brought to Ireland, both good and bad. I also saw the damage being done during the Celtic Tiger boom years.
Just because someone is displaced from their parents country, it does not mean that they don't have an awareness and understanding of what is happening in that country.
I honestly think Ireland would be more Irish, and better; if it had never joined the EU.

Johnny Foreigner · 03-03-2012 06:00PM

al28283 wrote: »

I think you mean "moot point"

Yes, I did.
I stand corrected. My mistake.
Thank you for educating me.

GreenWolfe · 03-03-2012 06:07PM

Johnny Foreigner wrote: »

You are mistaken on a number of points.
I lived in England for 32 years. I have lived in Ireland 3 years.
I have not changed the jurisdiction in which I reside. I have lived all my life under the same jurisdiction; the EU. EU law supersedes both British and Irish law.
I am not a nasty piece of work. I was a drug dealer, who is now a law abiding citizen. I make no secret of the fact, and no apology for what I did.
I concede that I am well educated, and I paid dearly for that with my own means.
I came close to jail on a number of occasions, and I took it as warning that it was time to make a contingency plan for the future. I was fortunate in that I had enough available means to use good Crown Court Barristers to procure my liberty.
You may perceive that immigrant children of the Irish diaspora have no right to return and criticise our parents country, but I beg to differ. My parents sent money home all their working life and benefited the Irish economy. Now I have returned I am doing the same. The money I earned and saved during my 18 years working is now going back into the Irish economy.
I feel that I have a right to vote and express an opinion on Irish culture, politics, and economics as any Irish born person.
I don't see a difference between a bright criminal mind, and a bright honest mind. Sometimes its just a case of growing up on different sides of the tracks.
I have been coming to Ireland every year of my life, and I saw the changes EU membership brought to Ireland, both good and bad. I also saw the damage being done during the Celtic Tiger boom years.
Just because someone is displaced from their parents country, it does not mean that they don't have an awareness and understanding of what is happening in that country.
I honestly think Ireland would be more Irish, and better; if it had never joined the EU.

You posted on another thread that you had a holiday on the sale of someone's lost phone and wallet. How is that law abiding, exactly?

Johnny Foreigner · 03-03-2012 06:13PM

Nodin wrote: »

Yes, you're great.

Now explain how the EU is to blame for anglicisation. Doubtless your university education will help you formulate a succinct and coherent reply.

I don't blame the EU for Anglicisation.
Anglicisation has some good and bad points.
I blame the Irish Government for allowing the EU to take Ireland's sovereignty.
For example, I think that Enda Kenny could negotiate a reduction in Irish debt to the EU in order for assurance that the EU treaty will be signed by Ireland.
The Irish Government are not procuring Irish sovereignty. They are allowing the EU laws to take away Ireland's identity.
The bastardised British and American which exists in Ireland today is not wholly because if the EU. The Celtic Tiger boom years were to blame for that.
However the imposition of EU laws in Ireland during this time was conducive to Irish culture being eroded.
You had the EU allowing loans in Ireland, and the Irish Government allowing the Celtic Tiger boom. The culture of greed damaged the Irish culture, and the EU have now taken the sovereignty.
When I talk about Anglicisation or basardised British American culture in Ireland, I am talking about the Dublin D4 type. A culture which is a product of the Celtic Tiger boom. The fake British American accent of D4, which typifies the erosion of Irish culture. I don't remember people in D4 having this accent prior to the boom years in the 1990's.

Johnny Foreigner · 03-03-2012 06:16PM

EarthlyPangaea wrote: »

You posted on another thread that you had a holiday on the sale of someone's lost phone and wallet. How is that law abiding, exactly?

Yet again you are dragging the post off topic, which is really boring for people to read.
It's not. I broke the law.
It wasn't a holiday. I flew to Ibiza for a night out, then back again the next day.
When I was a drug dealer I was a criminal.
For the record, I sold an iphone (not a wallet).
I am now a law abiding citizen.
I still think that if I found cash for example, that I would keep it.

RachaelVO · 03-03-2012 06:18PM

EarthlyPangaea wrote: »

You posted on another thread that you had a holiday on the sale of someone's lost phone and wallet. How is that law abiding, exactly?

Jaysus, this is the most irritating thing about this thread! There is plenty of debate going on about "irishness" which is the point of the thread.

Dragging up something with bog all reference to the topic is just pure childish. It's like dragging up old arguments you have with your partner, it has absolutely no relevance. No one is perfect, we all have a past, with good and bad parts, whether your Irish, British or European!

Johnny Foreigner · 03-03-2012 06:25PM

RachaelVO wrote: »

Jaysus, this is the most irritating thing about this thread! There is plenty of debate going on about "irishness" which is the point of the thread.

Dragging up something with bog all reference to the topic is just pure childish. It's like dragging up old arguments you have with your partner, it has absolutely no relevance. No one is perfect, we all have a past, with good and bad parts, whether your Irish, British or European!

I totally agree with you.
I make no secret of my past life, but its just that; in the past.
There is no merit in dragging it up.
The trolls are unable to discuss Irishness in a rational way, so they drag the post off topic.
Nobody really cares if I am Irish or British. You can have an opinion on Irishness irrespective of where you are born.
Some of it is jealousy. People find it hard to take that someone might have led a criminal life and succeeded from it.
The only person they are showing up is themselves however.

RachaelVO · 03-03-2012 06:34PM

Johnny Foreigner wrote: »

I totally agree with you.
I make no secret of my past life, but its just that; in the past.
There is no merit in dragging it up.
The trolls are unable to discuss Irishness in a rational way, so they drag the post off topic.
Nobody really cares if I am Irish or British. You can have an opinion on Irishness irrespective of where you are born.
Some of it is jealousy. People find it hard to take that someone might have led a criminal life and succeeded from it.
The only person they are showing up is themselves however.

It's very simple, I don't agree with everything you've posted, in this thread or in others I've seen, nor do I disagree with everything you've posted, BUT it's irrelevant to this particular thread.

It's like me rowing with my husband and me telling him he's a fcuker cos he got drunk 2 years ago and puked his guts up... what the hell is the relevance.

Like I said earlier in the thread, I do believe you're Irish, but I don't think that we're loosing our Irishness, except for maybe our fighting spirit!

EDIT: I must also point out, it's very easy to go through another boardsies posts, but that doesn't mean the opinion you have of them is accurate. I just looked at on particular posters posts and I could come up with all sorts of opinions, probably wrong!

Nodin · 03-03-2012 07:05PM

Johnny Foreigner wrote: »

I don't blame the EU for Anglicisation...

Yet you partly blame them for it a few lines down from this.

Johnny Foreigner wrote: »

Anglicisation has some good and bad points.
I blame the Irish Government for allowing the EU to take Ireland's sovereignty.
For example, I think that Enda Kenny could negotiate a reduction in Irish debt to the EU in order for assurance that the EU treaty will be signed by Ireland.
The Irish Government are not procuring Irish sovereignty. They are allowing the EU laws to take away Ireland's identity.
The bastardised British and American which exists in Ireland today is not wholly because if the EU. The Celtic Tiger boom years were to blame for that.
However the imposition of EU laws in Ireland during this time was conducive to Irish culture being eroded.
You had the EU allowing loans in Ireland, and the Irish Government allowing the Celtic Tiger boom. The culture of greed damaged the Irish culture, and the EU have now taken the sovereignty..

You're completely confusing law, sovereignty and culture. The "bastardised British and American" culture as you put it, has nothing whatsoever to do with the EU.

Johnny Foreigner wrote: »

I don't remember people in D4 having this accent prior to the boom years in the 1990's.

According to yourself, you weren't here.

What, might I ask, was your degree in?

endabob1 · 03-03-2012 08:10PM

Johnny Foreigner wrote: »

I honestly think Ireland would be more Irish, and better; if it had never joined the EU.

Ireland had no choice but to join the EU as it had to follow Britain our biggest trading parter, or risk being isolated and without an export market for its produce.

Obviouly we have been influenced by being part of Europe for almost 40 years and as ou say there have been good and bad things but in all honesty had we not joined when we did given the oil crisis of the mid 70's we could have ended up one of the poorest nations in Europe. We were, you might recall, along with Greece & Southern Italy the poorest areas of the then EEC and benefited greatly from Social Development Program, it could be argued that this was at the expense of other things like the Common Fisheries but that's by the by.

We had virtually no choice, staying out would have been a disaster, going in might not be perfect but it's difficult to imagine what Ireland would be like if we hadn't joined.

Johnny Foreigner · 03-03-2012 08:24PM

Nodin wrote: »

Yet you partly blame them for it a few lines down from this.

You're completely confusing law, sovereignty and culture. The "bastardised British and American" culture as you put it, has nothing whatsoever to do with the EU.

According to yourself, you weren't here.

What, might I ask, was your degree in?

I have been to Ireland every year of my life.
I have a 1.1 BSc (Hons) Economics, and a Masters in Business Management.

Nodin · 03-03-2012 08:37PM

Johnny Foreigner wrote: »

I have been to Ireland every year of my life..

...in d4.

Johnny Foreigner wrote: »

I have a 1.1 BSc (Hons) Economics, and a Masters in Business Management.

You can't put a coherent argument together for something you yourself raised. Unless that 1.1 and Masters was awarded by the University Of Life on the back of a Burger King napkin, I'd have to doubt your honesty there.

200yrolecrank · 03-03-2012 09:23PM

Nodin wrote: »

Johnny Foreigner wrote: »

I have been to Ireland every year of my life..

...in d4.

Johnny Foreigner wrote: »

I have a 1.1 BSc (Hons) Economics, and a Masters in Business Management.

You can't put a coherent argument together for something you yourself raised. Unless that 1.1 and Masters was awarded by the University Of Life on the back of a Burger King napkin, I'd have to doubt your honesty there.

Nodin just reported you for trolling,I have seen you at it in s few threads.

Crann na Beatha · 03-03-2012 10:36PM

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Monty Burnz · 03-03-2012 10:40PM

TheZohan wrote: »

I think he might actually be talking about home tbh, I'm looking out my window here and I see a tricolour at full mast. I see a sign and it's in both English and As Gaeilge...my own name is still Irish...that hasn't changed. My drivers licence is as gaeilge and in english.

Nope...Johnny is in a different country alright.

The Zohan

Location: New York City

Nodin · 03-03-2012 10:56PM

200yrolecrank wrote: »

Nodin just reported you for trolling,I have seen you at it in s few threads.

a few threads? I must have been a busy boy, as I don't remember. Do please link to these threads, so we can all have a look.

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