All the Irish have left

nxbyveromdwjpg · 03-03-2012 12:32PM

Irish driving licences are terrible anyway, laminated paper and it's supposed to last 10 years, its a joke

flanders1979 · 03-03-2012 12:39PM

Kaitlyn Salmon Somewhere wrote: »

They can take my lemonade and eat all our swans... But they'll never take away my Clonakilty pudding, my red pubes & freckles dammit.

See if you can get your hands on Annascaul black pudding. It would satisfy a vampire.

Sarn · 03-03-2012 01:05PM

Johnny Foreigner wrote: »

The EU has taken away everything we have which makes us Irish and not just Europeans. We lost the Punt, now its the Irish driving licence. We can't even have our road signs in miles, it has to be kilometres.
The Irish language is dying out, and the Irish Government has sold our sovereignty to the EU.

As far as I know, the EU don't restrict the use of the Irish language, music, history, or have any policies that detrimentally affect the natural landscape of Ireland. As you pointed out, we still have our flag and traditional sports. These to me are the fundamentals of being Irish. Superficial things, such as units of measurement and our currency (which have changed many times over the centuries), in my mind, are of little impact.

The influx of foreign multinationals, the internet and television play a far greater role in eroding 'Irishness' and leads to greater cultural homogenisation. That's what happens when information is freely available. As someone who has lived in Ireland all of my life I have no issue with this. Irish culture is still there, and there are many who embrace it strongly, regardless of where they were born.

Johnny Foreigner · 03-03-2012 01:06PM

KeithAFC wrote: »

Johnny Foreigner, why do you love the Irish Republic?

I don't love the Irish Republic.
I love the whole of Ireland; both Northern Ireland and The Republic of Ireland.

languagenerd · 03-03-2012 01:09PM

Johnny Foreigner wrote: »

Re-read my post.
What I listed is all the Irish have left (not what they have lost).
You don't understand.

Tbh, I don't think many people understand what you meant then. And if we have all that left, then what's the problem???

Johnny Foreigner wrote: »

You are mistaken.
I will educate you:
The word "its" signifies possession, and needs no apostrophe. (Nor do these words need one: yours, his, hers, theirs, and ours.) I guess the confusion stems from the fact that the apostrophe is used to show possession by a noun, as in "the flower's petals."

Incorrect.
It's = it is

True, the possessive has no apostrophe (eg. The method has its advantages) - but in your sentence, it wasn't a possessive, it was a contraction. You need the apostrophe.

It's "you're" = It is "you're".

I don't normally correct grammar, but seeing as you started it...

Johnny Foreigner · 03-03-2012 01:12PM

RachaelVO wrote: »

Been thinking about this thread a bit, reading back through it today has given me food for thought.

I do think the OP is Irish. I don't live in Ireland, but I'm home so often it's like I'm a yo-yo. I have 2 kids, both with Irish and Dutch passports (my husband is Dutch), and my kids are IRISH. We both decided long ago, if it came down to a straight choice they'd loose their Dutch passports. So I'm with Johnny, he is Irish.

Now here's where I disagree to a point with the OP, I left before the recession, and I can safely say that I think as a nation we're slowly but surely finding our Irishness again. I think we lost it during the boom. Work and I mean any work was too good for us, we lived beyond our means, we developed a taste for chocco mocha skinny whats it coffee. Now we've gone back to the realisation that work is work and we've lost our snobbery, cos that's what the boom did to us, turned us into snobs of a sort anyway.

I love coming home more now than I did coming towards the end of the boom. Now don't get me wrong, I hate that people are struggling to pay their mortgages (my own family included), that they are in negative equity, that charities live SvdP are stretched to their limits. But the overall attitude change is refreshing. I don't want us to revert to doffing our tweed caps to anyone who comes in their sparkly new horseless carriages, that's not what I mean. What I like is the realisation that despite everything we are a giving, generous heart felt nation! I just wish we could muster up some more fighting spirit!

Hope that makes some sense

Valid points.
I have to agree with your analysis.
The Celtic Tiger boom years did a lot of damage to Irish culture; people did become greedy, materialistic, and snobbish.
Maybe the EU isn't to blame for this erosion of Irish culture, it was a product of the boom.
I hadn't considered that now the boom is over, and we are in recession; that Irish culture could return to what it was before.
Maybe that is a positive product of the recession, the Irish going back to old school values, such as saving up for something; as opposed to buying on credit.

KeithAFC · 03-03-2012 01:14PM

Johnny Foreigner wrote: »

I don't love the Irish Republic.
I love the whole of Ireland; both Northern Ireland and The Republic of Ireland.

Why?

TheZohanS · 03-03-2012 01:24PM

zenno wrote: »

6 days ago is old...yep very old posts. anyway do what ye do, but attacking a member is a low blow so grow up bitches and grab a coconut or something and get over the little so-called buzz you had.

If you're going to quote me, quote my full post, don't edit it to suit yourself.

TheZohan wrote: »

Very old posts? Those posts are from a few weeks ago, some are from the last 24hrs.

zenno · 03-03-2012 01:44PM

TheZohan wrote: »

If you're going to quote me, quote my full post, don't edit it to suit yourself.

ahh ffs Zohan don't tell me you are getting sentimental about that post i recently done. right, no problem I will respect you're wishes in the future of my posts Re: quotes.

dvpower · 03-03-2012 02:03PM

Johnny Foreigner wrote: »

The Celtic Tiger boom years did a lot of damage to Irish culture; people did become greedy, materialistic, and snobbish.

Didn't you tell us all in another thread that you were a drug dealer during the Celtic Tiger years? Its hard to take your pontificating seriously tbh.

Dostoevsky · 03-03-2012 02:48PM

Johnny Foreigner wrote: »

The EU has taken away everything we have which makes us Irish and not just Europeans.... We can't even have our road signs in miles, it has to be kilometres.

Indeed, because having our road signs in British imperial measurements was such a sign of our Irishness?

The sooner Ireland becomes more culturally European the better it will be for us. The metric system, for instance, is a far superior measurement system than the imperial system. It's far more precise, easier to understand and easier to calculate.

Dostoevsky · 03-03-2012 02:53PM

Johnny Foreigner wrote: »

I don't love the Irish Republic.
I love the whole of Ireland; both Northern Ireland and The Republic of Ireland.

Technically, the Irish Republic is the whole island or to be precise it's the name of the all-Ireland state which was declared in Easter 1916 and ratified by the First Dáil in January 1919.

zenno · 03-03-2012 03:44PM

And let us all rejoice and sing along with me... this is for johnny Foreigner. the rest of you critters can stay by the side.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTRrZcEsjFU

al28283 · 03-03-2012 03:55PM

RachaelVO wrote: »

I do think the OP is Irish. I don't live in Ireland

He's not Irish. and if you do agree with his reasoning that would mean you're kids are not Irish.

SeanW · 03-03-2012 04:20PM

Johnny Foreigner wrote: »

All the Irish have left;
Irish names.
Irish accents.
Gaelic Football.
Hurling.
The tricolour flag.

All good things

We lost the Punt

Ok, the Euro might not have been the best idea, but ...

now its the Irish driving licence.

The Irish driving license is impractical. Most people would welcome the credit-card style license which is used virtually everywhere else - for good reason.

We can't even have our road signs in miles, it has to be kilometres.

We can have road signs whatever way we like, FWIW the U.K have their roadsigns in miles. Also the imperial system was invented in Ancient Rome, there's nothing "Irish" about it whatsoever.

We're using the metric system because it's better than the Imperial system.

But as for our road signs, I would be more worried about finding my way to Belmullet or Dingle on them, because thanks to that muppet Eamon O'Cuiv, you can't do that anymore.

The next thing the EU will want us to do is drive left hand drive cars on the right side of the road, in order to harmonise with the rest of the EU.

Yes, because that would be so easy :rolleyes:

RachaelVO · 03-03-2012 04:36PM

al28283 wrote: »

He's not Irish. and if you do agree with his reasoning that would mean you're kids are not Irish.

Don't be ridiculous!

al28283 · 03-03-2012 04:40PM

RachaelVO wrote: »

Don't be ridiculous!

You are using the same criteria to come to two opposite conclusions.
If he is Irish because he holds dual citizenship and currently lives in Ireland, by that logic your kids are not Irish because they hold dual citizenship and currently live somewhere else.

RachaelVO · 03-03-2012 04:49PM

al28283 wrote: »

You are using the same criteria to come to two opposite conclusions.
If he is Irish because he holds dual citizenship and currently lives in Ireland, by that logic your kids are not Irish because they hold dual citizenship and currently live somewhere else.

SIGH...

He's Irish because his parents (not grandparents or some distant relation) are Irish! It has nothing whatsoever to do with his dual nationality.

Try reading the full thread rather than just commenting on the last page!

al28283 · 03-03-2012 04:52PM

RachaelVO wrote: »

SIGH...

He's Irish because his parents (not grandparents or some distant relation) are Irish! It has nothing whatsoever to do with his dual nationality.

Try reading the full thread rather than just commenting on the last page!

If you read the whole thread you'd know I have been posting on it all along, his parents nationality does not decide his nationality, if that made any sense then familial nationality would never change down through the generations

Johnny Foreigner · 03-03-2012 04:54PM

dvpower wrote: »

Didn't you tell us all in another thread that you were a drug dealer during the Celtic Tiger years? Its hard to take your pontificating seriously tbh.

I was a drug dealer from 1992 to 2010.
I never lived in Ireland during the Celtic Tiger boom years of 1994-2007.
Why is is hard to take a drug dealer's pontification less seriously than your own?
Drug dealing is a business. What I was doing was no different to Glaxo Smith Kline, or Astra Zeneca.
The difference is that I dealt illegal drugs for myself, not a blue chip company.
So if I was a pharmaceutical salesman for one of the above companies you would take me more seriously? Its a mute point.
Criminals, are often the brightest minds. They have a better understanding of economics and law than many of the Politicians who govern our country.
Yes, my drug dealing did some harm; that is a given. But it also did a lot of good too. Over the years I gave 1,000's of people the best nights of their lives dancing in clubs and at raves. I make no apology for that.
I sold it E. It caused less deaths, and did less damage to society than alcohol and cigarettes did.
I think a drug dealers pontification should be taken as seriously as anyone.

al28283 · 03-03-2012 04:56PM

Johnny Foreigner wrote: »

So if I was a pharmaceutical salesman for one of the above companies you would take me more seriously?

If you made any valid points I would take you more seriously

Nodin · 03-03-2012 04:57PM

Johnny Foreigner wrote: »

I was a drug dealer from 1992 to 2010.
I never lived in Ireland during the Celtic Tiger boom years of 1994-2007.
Why is is hard to take a drug dealer's pontification less seriously than your own?
Drug dealing is a business. What I was doing was no different to Glaxo Smith Kline, or Astra Zeneca.
The difference is that I dealt illegal drugs for myself, not a blue chip company.
So if I was a pharmaceutical salesman for one of the above companies you would take me more seriously? Its a mute point.
Criminals, are often the brightest minds. They have a better understanding of economics and law than many of the Politicians who govern our country.
Yes, my drug dealing did some harm; that is a given. But it also did a lot of good too. Over the years I gave 1,000's of people the best nights of their lives dancing in clubs and at raves. I make no apology for that.
I sold it E. It caused less deaths, and did less damage to society than alcohol and cigarettes did.
I think a drug dealers pontification should be taken as seriously as anyone.

Your "argument" doesn't stand up regardless of your alleged former career.

dxhound2005 · 03-03-2012 05:01PM

Johnny Foreigner wrote: »

I was a drug dealer from 1992 to 2010.
I never lived in Ireland during the Celtic Tiger boom years of 1994-2007.
Why is is hard to take a drug dealer's pontification less seriously than your own?
Drug dealing is a business. What I was doing was no different to Glaxo Smith Kline, or Astra Zeneca.
The difference is that I dealt illegal drugs for myself, not a blue chip company.
So if I was a pharmaceutical salesman for one of the above companies you would take me more seriously? Its a mute point.
Criminals, are often the brightest minds. They have a better understanding of economics and law than many of the Politicians who govern our country.
Yes, my drug dealing did some harm; that is a given. But it also did a lot of good too. Over the years I gave 1,000's of people the best nights of their lives dancing in clubs and at raves. I make no apology for that.
I sold it E. It caused less deaths, and did less damage to society than alcohol and cigarettes did.
I think a drug dealers pontification should be taken as seriously as anyone.

I now take your pontification on grammar and your boasting about your Oxford education less seriously if you think "mute point" is a correct phrase.

RachaelVO · 03-03-2012 05:02PM

al28283 wrote: »

If you read the whole thread you'd know I have been posting on it all along, his parents nationality does not decide his nationality, if that made any sense then familial nationality would never change down through the generations

You clearly weren't reading it properly then, just suiting your own agenda/bias!

Again that's ridiculous... when you're born you parents if they are living out of their country of origin decide what nationality you have depending on the laws of the country. It can then be your own decision and if you can have dual nationality then you can have it, based on your parents not generations prior to that!

Based on Dutch law for example, if my husband was actually Irish, my children wouldn't be entitled to Dutch nationality. Your nationality here is based on your parentage. If your parents are from 2 seperate countries other than the Netherlands the nationality will be given as that of the mother unless specifically stated otherwise. That is the case in most countries where just because you're born there doesn't make you from there!

200yrolecrank · 03-03-2012 05:04PM

Johnny Foreigner wrote: »

dvpower wrote: »

Didn't you tell us all in another thread that you were a drug dealer during the Celtic Tiger years? Its hard to take your pontificating seriously tbh.

I was a drug dealer from 1992 to 2010.
I never lived in Ireland during the Celtic Tiger boom years of 1994-2007.
Why is is hard to take a drug dealer's pontification less seriously than your own?
Drug dealing is a business. What I was doing was no different to Glaxo Smith Kline, or Astra Zeneca.
The difference is that I dealt illegal drugs for myself, not a blue chip company.
So if I was a pharmaceutical salesman for one of the above companies you would take me more seriously? Its a mute point.
Criminals, are often the brightest minds. They have a better understanding of economics and law than many of the Politicians who govern our country.
Yes, my drug dealing did some harm; that is a given. But it also did a lot of good too. Over the years I gave 1,000's of people the best nights of their lives dancing in clubs and at raves. I make no apology for that.
I sold it E. It caused less deaths, and did less damage to society than alcohol and cigarettes did.
I think a drug dealers pontification should be taken as seriously as anyone.

How do you know that the pills you sold didn't lead to a death an accident or a psychotic episode.
Unfortunately the way the law is people have to resort to drug dealers for their kicks but I wouldn't be proud of that as an occupation or revel in the fact that you got people high.
To be honest I would have less respect for you for continuing on in such a vile business given the amount of time you dealt these drugs surely you could have gotten a better position in society in that time frame.

Johnny Foreigner · 03-03-2012 05:04PM

al28283 wrote: »

You are using the same criteria to come to two opposite conclusions.
If he is Irish because he holds dual citizenship and currently lives in Ireland, by that logic your kids are not Irish because they hold dual citizenship and currently live somewhere else.

By your logic, the English born members of the Italia 90 Republic of Ireland team were English, and had no right to play for the Republic of Ireland then.
I suppose you think Cait O'Riordan (bass player in The Pogues), has not right to call herself Irish as she was born in Nigeria.
Do you really think that she is Nigerian? Not Irish?
Does she look Nigerian to you? Have a Nigerian name?
If a cat was born in a stable, would you call it a horse?

al28283 · 03-03-2012 05:06PM

RachaelVO wrote: »

You clearly weren't reading it properly then, just suiting your own agenda/bias!

Again that's ridiculous... when you're born you parents if they are living out of their country of origin decide what nationality you have depending on the laws of the country. It can then be your own decision and if you can have dual nationality then you can have it, based on your parents not generations prior to that!

Based on Dutch law for example, if my husband was actually Irish, my children wouldn't be entitled to Dutch nationality. Your nationality here is based on your parentage. If your parents are from 2 seperate countries other than the Netherlands the nationality will be given as that of the mother unless specifically stated otherwise. That is the case in most countries where just because you're born there doesn't make you from there!

Again, if you have read the entire thread, the disagreement here is mainly based around national identity, which is really what the OP is about.
i.e Someone who has lived here for 3 years complaining that we are not Irish enough anymore

GreenWolfe · 03-03-2012 05:07PM

Johnny Foreigner wrote: »

I was a drug dealer from 1992 to 2010.
I never lived in Ireland during the Celtic Tiger boom years of 1994-2007.
Why is is hard to take a drug dealer's pontification less seriously than your own?
Drug dealing is a business. What I was doing was no different to Glaxo Smith Kline, or Astra Zeneca.
The difference is that I dealt illegal drugs for myself, not a blue chip company.
So if I was a pharmaceutical salesman for one of the above companies you would take me more seriously? Its a mute point.
Criminals, are often the brightest minds. They have a better understanding of economics and law than many of the Politicians who govern our country.
Yes, my drug dealing did some harm; that is a given. But it also did a lot of good too. Over the years I gave 1,000's of people the best nights of their lives dancing in clubs and at raves. I make no apology for that.
I sold it E. It caused less deaths, and did less damage to society than alcohol and cigarettes did.
I think a drug dealers pontification should be taken as seriously as anyone.

Your sudden outbreak of patriotism and your subsequent move to Ireland seem to coincide with the end of your supposed drug dealing. Forgive me if I think that there's a much more ulterior motive to your point.

And btw, it's "moot point", not "mute point".

Johnny Foreigner · 03-03-2012 05:13PM

200yrolecrank wrote: »

How do you know that the pills you sold didn't lead to a death an accident or a psychotic episode.
Unfortunately the way the law is people have to resort to drug dealers for their kicks but I wouldn't be proud of that as an occupation or revel in the fact that you got people high.
To be honest I would have less respect for you for continuing on in such a vile business given the amount of time you dealt these drugs surely you could have gotten a better position in society in that time frame.

One can never know. Its a moot point.
I am not proud of what I did. I retired from it and walked away.
I would not advise anyone to be a drug dealer, you have two choices in that game; jail or the grave.
I make no apology for what I did.
In terms of position in society, yes I could have attained something better with moral standing as society perceives it. But that wasn't my modus operandi at the time.
I was a capitalist. I sold drugs at a profit. Social standing didn't come into it. I was motivated by greed.
I then realised that no amount of remuneration was worth sacrificing my liberty. I saw some very close people to me either in up in jail or the grave, so I decided to quit when I was ahead and retire.
It was colourful life that brought me to over 20 countries, and paid for my education. But I wouldn't go back to it.

al28283 · 03-03-2012 05:15PM

Johnny Foreigner wrote: »

By your logic, the English born members of the Italia 90 Republic of Ireland team were English, and had no right to play for the Republic of Ireland then.
I suppose you think Cait O'Riordan (bass player in The Pogues), has not right to call herself Irish as she was born in Nigeria.
Do you really think that she is Nigerian? Not Irish?
Does she look Nigerian to you? Have a Nigerian name?
If a cat was born in a stable, would you call it a horse?

What exactly is it your arguing? At first you were complaining that Ireland is not Irish enough anymore and now you're complaining that I wouldn't consider foreign nationals to be Irish.
By your latest reasoning, anything we do, be it our currency or what side of the road we drive on would become Irish as soon as we start doing it in Ireland, so what exactly is the problem?

All the Irish have left

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