Where's the justice ,child molestor gets a suspended sentance

Kalimah · 02-03-2012 04:00PM

We'll I'll tell you where I'm coming from to those who don't like what I say. Person I know blackmailed a male relative for donkeys years over a lot less than that guy did. It wasn't for money. If he looked crooked at her she threatened to tell his wife. She played the victim off and on over the years as it suited her. Supposedly her life was "ruined" but she had a life most people would have loved. Loads of money, kids, position in society etc etc. She was no more a victim than the cat. Anyway the guy called her bluff and now she has no power over him. She wouldn't go to the guards either. All she wanted was a bit of power and attention. Of course if anyone has been seriously abused has my full sympathy.

02-03-2012 04:02PM

Kalimah wrote: »

He probably did that too! 16 year olds then were vastly different to now. The girl should have told her mother and the boy should have been given a good slap and we all move on. That's the way it would have been done in my house!

but she didnt lived with it it destroyed her and whatever you say its not normal to sexually abuse someone at 16 , the perpertartor was disturbed to do it and i dont think a slap would of helped then nor now.

AeoNGriM · 02-03-2012 04:06PM

Kalimah wrote: »

We'll I'll tell you where I'm coming from to those who don't like what I say. Person I know blackmailed a male relative for donkeys years over a lot less than that guy did. It wasn't for money. If he looked crooked at her she threatened to tell his wife. She played the victim off and on over the years as it suited her. Supposedly her life was "ruined" but she had a life most people would have loved. Loads of money, kids, position in society etc etc. She was no more a victim than the cat. Anyway the guy called her bluff and now she has no power over him. She wouldn't go to the guards either. All she wanted was a bit of power and attention. Of course if anyone has been seriously abused has my full sympathy.

Go back and re-read the OP. You're looking for the part where the scumbag admitted his guilt.

hattoncracker · 02-03-2012 04:08PM

Kalimah wrote: »

We'll I'll tell you where I'm coming from to those who don't like what I say. Person I know blackmailed a male relative for donkeys years over a lot less than that guy did. It wasn't for money. If he looked crooked at her she threatened to tell his wife. She played the victim off and on over the years as it suited her. Supposedly her life was "ruined" but she had a life most people would have loved. Loads of money, kids, position in society etc etc. She was no more a victim than the cat. Anyway the guy called her bluff and now she has no power over him. She wouldn't go to the guards either. All she wanted was a bit of power and attention. Of course if anyone has been seriously abused has my full sympathy.

I understand, false allegations are despicable, it makes it harder again for real victims to be believed. but he admitted to it, he should be punished. What he did to her constitutes serious abuse. And I sincerely doubt that she is the only one.

Kalimah · 02-03-2012 04:26PM

My point exactly about false allegations. Absolutely everyone would say no smoke without fire.
The man in this case admitted to serious abuse. He was sentenced and that's the end of it legally. My issue is with how long it took to bring the case. If the man had pleaded not guilty it's going to be damn hard to prove his innocence because of the passage of time. It could happen to anyone.
I really can't fathom why anyone would wait so long to come forward. Case I was talking about earlier happened even earlier than the 70s!

RachaelVO · 02-03-2012 08:56PM

Kalimah wrote: »

My point exactly about false allegations. Absolutely everyone would say no smoke without fire.
The man in this case admitted to serious abuse. He was sentenced and that's the end of it legally. My issue is with how long it took to bring the case. If the man had pleaded not guilty it's going to be damn hard to prove his innocence because of the passage of time. It could happen to anyone.
I really can't fathom why anyone would wait so long to come forward. Case I was talking about earlier happened even earlier than the 70s!

WTF, do you have any idea of the psychological impact this has on a person. You can be walking along, thinking life is all tickety boo and it can hit you, I actually seen it happen to someone, she went a white as a ghost and started sweating and shaking... it was 20 years after the abuse, it was a buried memory until something triggered it in her head... so seriously you are talking sh1te and pure unadulterated offensive sh1te at that.

I agree that false allegations have very serious ramifications, but so does abuse!

Chinafoot · 02-03-2012 09:21PM

Kalimah wrote: »

I really can't fathom why anyone would wait so long to come forward.

There could be any number of reasons! My money would be on the fact that this was her brother. These things can rip families apart and often the parents either don't believe the abuse victim or don't want to believe them. Huge pressure can be put on the victim to keep quiet and not ruin the family name..."think of the shame, they'll all be talking about us after mass", etc etc.

Then of course there's the psychological and emotional aspect of it. You have no idea of the strength required to go through with not only reporting someone for abuse but also following through on an actual court case.

Your view is far, far too simplistic and the fact that you seem to be basing it all on that one case you mentioned just shows that you know nothing about the subject at all.

Ronin247 · 02-03-2012 09:42PM

Kalimah wrote: »

My point exactly about false allegations. Absolutely everyone would say no smoke without fire.
The man in this case admitted to serious abuse. He was sentenced and that's the end of it legally. My issue is with how long it took to bring the case. If the man had pleaded not guilty it's going to be damn hard to prove his innocence because of the passage of time. It could happen to anyone.
I really can't fathom why anyone would wait so long to come forward. Case I was talking about earlier happened even earlier than the 70s!

Kalimah, you have no idea of the effects of child abuse on the victim.TBH you sound like someone who is trying to defend something in their own past.Many,many victims can never find the strength to deal with what happened to them,many commit suicide or end up on drink or drugs to try and numb the memories.You are from the school of blame the victim, and attitudes like that cause people to not want to come forward.
Just added this clip so you can see that even years later the pain never leaves.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jHqndf9Kx4

strobe · 02-03-2012 09:46PM

charlemont wrote: »

Ever wonder why they get such useless sentences ?? Because I do and I have my own theory which would probably be deleted here but think about how all of this was covered up for years and it should become clear.

Freddie59 wrote: »

I suspect I know where you're coming from. The same place as me.;)

Little help lads?

Kalimah · 02-03-2012 10:20PM

Ronin247 wrote: »

Kalimah wrote: »

My point exactly about false allegations. Absolutely everyone would say no smoke without fire.
The man in this case admitted to serious abuse. He was sentenced and that's the end of it legally. My issue is with how long it took to bring the case. If the man had pleaded not guilty it's going to be damn hard to prove his innocence because of the passage of time. It could happen to anyone.
I really can't fathom why anyone would wait so long to come forward. Case I was talking about earlier happened even earlier than the 70s!

Kalimah, you have no idea of the effects of child abuse on the victim.TBH you sound like someone who is trying to defend something in their own past.Many,many victims can never find the strength to deal with what happened to them,many commit suicide or end up on drink or drugs to try and numb the memories.You are from the school of blame the victim, and attitudes like that cause people to not want to come forward.
Just added this clip so you can see that even years later the pain never leaves.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jHqndf9Kx4

Actually I'm not defending anything in my own past at all. I'm a girl. No one has ever laid a hand on me either in that way. I just understand why victims come forward so many years later. Very little chance of justice after so long. I suppose it's a lack of understanding on my part added to the false allegations I knew of that had coloured my attitude.

Kalimah · 02-03-2012 10:20PM

Ronin247 wrote: »

Kalimah wrote: »

My point exactly about false allegations. Absolutely everyone would say no smoke without fire.
The man in this case admitted to serious abuse. He was sentenced and that's the end of it legally. My issue is with how long it took to bring the case. If the man had pleaded not guilty it's going to be damn hard to prove his innocence because of the passage of time. It could happen to anyone.
I really can't fathom why anyone would wait so long to come forward. Case I was talking about earlier happened even earlier than the 70s!

Kalimah, you have no idea of the effects of child abuse on the victim.TBH you sound like someone who is trying to defend something in their own past.Many,many victims can never find the strength to deal with what happened to them,many commit suicide or end up on drink or drugs to try and numb the memories.You are from the school of blame the victim, and attitudes like that cause people to not want to come forward.
Just added this clip so you can see that even years later the pain never leaves.
BY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jHqndf9Kx4

Actually I'm not defending anything in my own past at all. I'm a girl. No one has ever laid a hand on me either in that way. I just understand why victims come forward so many years later. Very little chance of justice after so long. I suppose it's a lack of understanding on my part added to the false allegations I knew of that had coloured my attitude.

Jesus Wept · 02-03-2012 10:31PM

Kalimah wrote: »

He probably did that too! 16 year olds then were vastly different to now. The girl should have told her mother and the boy should have been given a good slap and we all move on. That's the way it would have been done in my house!

Your house must have been pretty fucked up.

steddyeddy · 02-03-2012 10:37PM

Kalimah wrote: »

I have zero time for people who hold onto these things for decades and then decide to bring it up. The woman must be in her 40s now.

Sexual abuse has long lasting effects on the victim thats common knowledge.

ResearchWill · 03-03-2012 09:39AM

steddyeddy wrote: »

Sexual abuse has long lasting effects on the victim thats common knowledge.

There is a view that the long lasting effect is as much caused by those trying to help children. http://www.amazon.com/Trauma-Myth-Sexual-Children-Aftermath/dp/046501688X

RachaelVO · 03-03-2012 09:53AM

ResearchWill wrote: »

There is a view that the long lasting effect is as much caused by those trying to help children. http://www.amazon.com/Trauma-Myth-Sexual-Children-Aftermath/dp/046501688X

Susan Clancy has been slated by professionals and victims alike over this book. In this book she interview 200 adults and has warned not to confuse confusion with trauma!

She's a very smart lady, but I think she is being controversial for the sake of it, maybe looking for tenure in harvard, or looking to make a name outside harvard research... I don't know, but I think she is WAY off the mark here!

lividduck · 03-03-2012 09:58AM

The thread is supposed to be about the sentence and if it was appropriate, which all things considered it was.

Sunnyisland · 03-03-2012 10:11AM

about be banned wrote: »

I'm gonna get lambasted for this now..:

He was 16 FFS. Yes it was a shocking thing to do...but if he has not harmed anyone else in 35 years isn't it possible that there were fcuked up circumstances in that house and it to imprison him so many years later night be a bit much?

It should have been addressed at the time, or at least within a year or so.

I really hope he grew out of that behaviour though....

For the victims it can take years before they have the courage or strenght to even talk about what happened,and more importantly who where you supposed to tell or talk to 35 years ago,We don't know how much that sexual assault has damaged the victims life or what effect it had on her relationships with men there after,and how does anybody know if that was the only victim,and as most sexual abuse happens from peoples own families there must be an awful lot of ****ed up houses in Ireland.

Sunnyisland · 03-03-2012 10:15AM

[QUOTE=Kalimah;77387040 Personally I don't think cases like that should be brought if they are that far in the past. The woman concerned.should have brought it up 20 years of she had an issue[/QUOTE]

Sure we can all just go on and forget about it and pretend it didn't happen,:( Did we not do that enough times in this country re sexual abuse already.

Sunnyisland · 03-03-2012 10:20AM

How does anyone know whether he re offended or did sexual abuse someone else,Wonder was any of his other close siblings or relatives interviewed by detectives and if so would they be afraid to come forward and admit it,Going by some posters here it doesn't matter,it was to long ago,he was only 16,Sure everything is grand now.

Sunnyisland · 03-03-2012 10:22AM

Would anyone here let Paul Roche (52), Wellmount Avenue, Finglas, babysit for them now ? .Seems that it was so long ago ?

giles lynchwood · 03-03-2012 10:28AM

www.nationmultimedia.com/national/woman-gets-jail-for-procuring-minors-for-expat-30176932.html
At least some people think of the children.May their sentence pass slowly.

dod2214 · 03-03-2012 11:28AM

realies wrote: »

Would anyone here let Paul Roche (52), Wellmount Avenue, Finglas, babysit for them now ? .Seems that it was so long ago ?

Thismonster ruined the life of a very good person. He is also responsible for all of the consequential damage that has flowed from the abuse ge perpetrated.He pleaded guilty to 4 charges but the evidence before the judge was far more reaching.He continued this abuse until he was 21 years of age and his sister was 12 . He gets to carry on with his life whilst his sister and the rest of her family are left in tatters. His wife was with him in the day in court and she smirkrd at both his sisters as if to say we're off now !!! This is a travesty of justice the time factor makes no difference . Would all of the posters on this board who think it's to far in the past have a similar opinion he he had murdered a little girl 35 years ago and got a suspended sentence. I think not . Wake up to the reality here people one knows if he has carried on this behaviour since ,except the bastard himself.
Great little country this isn't it , as a society we should all hang our heads in shame .

arybvtcw0eolkf · 03-03-2012 11:38AM

dod2214 wrote: »

Great little country this isn't it , as a society we should all hang our heads in shame .

Why because some idiot from Finglas molested his sister 35 years ago, then gets a lenient sentence?.

This isn't the USA, we don't elect our judges.

Fvck that I'm hanging my head in shame for no one.

cocalolaman · 03-03-2012 11:55AM

dod2214 wrote: »

as a society we should all hang our heads in shame .

Because of what someone else did?

No.

saintsaltynuts · 03-03-2012 12:08PM

I'd chop his bastarding ghoulies off but hey that's just me.

lividduck · 03-03-2012 12:11PM

dod2214 wrote: »

Thismonster ruined the life of a very good person. He is also responsible for all of the consequential damage that has flowed from the abuse ge perpetrated.He pleaded guilty to 4 charges but the evidence before the judge was far more reaching.He continued this abuse until he was 21 years of age and his sister was 12 . He gets to carry on with his life whilst his sister and the rest of her family are left in tatters. His wife was with him in the day in court and she smirkrd at both his sisters as if to say we're off now !!! This is a travesty of justice the time factor makes no difference . Would all of the posters on this board who think it's to far in the past have a similar opinion he he had murdered a little girl 35 years ago and got a suspended sentence. I think not . Wake up to the reality here people one knows if he has carried on this behaviour since ,except the bastard himself.
Great little country this isn't it , as a society we should all hang our heads in shame .

He didnt murder anyone!
And whats this "as if to say" crap, you want him punished because his wife didnt actually say anything!

cloud493 · 03-03-2012 12:17PM

Oh you'd be surprised. When it all came out, so to speak, they said 'oh we can't prosecute your dad for stuff that happened that long ago' I mean, it wasn't even that long

he got done in the end mind, but still.

RachaelVO · 03-03-2012 12:39PM

lividduck wrote: »

He didnt murder anyone!
And whats this "as if to say" crap, you want him punished because his wife didnt actually say anything!

Wife??????

At 16 he molested his 8 year old sister...

He should have gotten a far longer unsuspended sentence

Kalimah · 03-03-2012 03:07PM

dod2214 wrote: »

realies wrote: »

Would anyone here let Paul Roche (52), Wellmount Avenue, Finglas, babysit for them now ? .Seems that it was so long ago ?

Thismonster ruined the life of a very good person. He is also responsible for all of the consequential damage that has flowed from the abuse ge perpetrated.He pleaded guilty to 4 charges but the evidence before the judge was far more reaching.He continued this abuse until he was 21 years of age and his sister was 12 . He gets to carry on with his life whilst his sister and the rest of her family are left in tatters. His wife was with him in the day in court and she smirkrd at both his sisters as if to say we're off now !!! This is a travesty of justice the time factor makes no difference . Would all of the posters on this board who think it's to far in the past have a similar opinion he he had murdered a little girl 35 years ago and got a suspended sentence. I think not . Wake up to the reality here people one knows if he has carried on this behaviour since ,except the bastard himself.
Great little country this isn't it , as a society we should all hang our heads in shame .

So you'd like his wife punished too? What did she do? Or is it all her fault too?

lividduck · 03-03-2012 03:10PM

Kalimah wrote: »

So you'd like his wife punished too? What did she do? Or is it all her fault too?

You are dealing with someone who has two posts , both on this subject to their name, obviously either has an agenda or is re-reg

Where's the justice ,child molestor gets a suspended sentance

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