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Teenagers are less intelligent than a generation ago, claims study

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,207 ✭✭✭The King of Moo


    The main difference between kids now and in my youth is the lack of critical thinking nowadays. Lots of young people don't see the point in trying to work something out for themselves when they can just google it. This in turn leads to them generally thinking about things in a less critical way, and accepting things they're told at face value.

    I remember a few years ago teaching teenagers English and using an exercise called "half a crossword" where you give one group a crossword with half the answers filled in, and another group one with the other half filled in, and they take turns in getting the other group to explain their words to them so they can figure out what they are and complete the crossword.

    Now I'd mistakenly printed the two different sets of words on opposite sides of the same sheet, so I told the two groups not to look at the opposite side of the page as that had the other set of words on it. They were at a good level of English so they understood me.

    I gave them a few minutes to figure out how to explain their set of words, but before they were up, one of the groups shouted out "We're finished!" followed by the other group seconds later.
    Of course, what they'd done was look at the other side of the page and fill in the missing words, never learning what any of the words meant.
    I tried to explain why that was no good as they didn't get to practise speaking or learn what the words meant, but they didn't seem to get it.
    They just wanted to complete the crossword.

    Now it's important not to exaggerate these changes in thinking. I know that a lot of that situation with the crossword was down to the kids wanting to finish before the other group, and the simple fact that if the answers are on the other side of the sheet, teenagers will look at them, even if they're saints!

    And while I do think critical and independent thought are not as strong in teenagers nowadays, they've not always been the strong points for most of them!

    I also don't think you can really blame the kids, parents or society. If you live in a world where information can be accessed instantly from anywhere, critical thinking and memory are bound to take a hit.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,242 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    When I was 12 I used to repair stereos And old computers for money. A 15 year old now couldnt even change a tyre.

    Stull though I dont mind, by the time im 50 handyman will be a highly paid profession as nobody will know how to do anything like fit a wall socket, clear a blocked drain or wire up speakers


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,018 ✭✭✭Badgermonkey


    On a DART from Killiney to Landsdowne for Ire V Wales match, I sat accross from 4 lads of about 14yrs in Irish jerseys looking out on Killiney bay. One of the lads declared the body of water out the window to be a lake, pointing to Howth as the far side of the shore. The other 3 didn't challenge him on this or giggle at his staggering assertion.

    Three weeks before, I found myself on a train from Schipol - Amsterdam Centraal sitting opposite 4 Irish lads who were 18-19. They were discussing the form of national ID that allows folks to cross international borders. They racked their brains for a good 4 mins before one of them had a eureka moment - a Passport.

    Anecdotal I know, but sweet Jesus.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,029 ✭✭✭✭Chuck Stone


    One of the lads declared the body of water out the window to be a lake, pointing to Howth as the far side of the shore. The other 3 didn't challenge him on this or giggle at his staggering assertion.

    I don't think I could have let that go tbh.

    I would have probably said 'no you're wrong, try again'. Then if I'd have got no answer I would have stood over him with my fists clenched and say...

    I said - try again...

    .........um...


    FUCKING TRY AGAIN YOU STUPID LITTLE BASTARD.*


    *Yes, I'd make a terrible teacher.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,933 ✭✭✭Logical Fallacy


    The slide began with txtspk. The slope has steepened with Facebook and Twitter. We need to give our children more mind-expanding drugs. It worked fine for the Steve Jobs and Beatles of the day.

    I'd rethink my stance on childless if i was allowed to give kids acid tbh.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,822 ✭✭✭Mickey H




    FUCKING TRY AGAIN YOU STUPID LITTLE BASTARD.*


    *Yes, I'd make a terrible teacher.

    Christian Brother in disguise??


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 31 jaybo1


    ill just leave this here...i dont even....

    http://www.break.com/index/dumb-chick-doesnt-understand-leap-year.html

    nsfw language.

    wow.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 34,808 ✭✭✭✭smash


    jaybo1 wrote: »
    ill just leave this here...i dont even....

    http://www.break.com/index/dumb-chick-doesnt-understand-leap-year.html

    nsfw language.

    wow.
    I saw that earlier.

    "This is what society has come to..."

    That girl needs a punch in the face!


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,463 ✭✭✭Celly Smunt


    It's clear what we have to do,we need to bring back the catholic church.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,295 ✭✭✭✭Duggy747


    Daniel S wrote: »
    I saw that actually. I just think people don't want to do maths/science/engineering anymore because they don't need to. There's always someone else who will do it for them. I don't really know anyone who see's the good side of having a problem anymore.

    I like these kind of people, they keep the likes of me in a job :pac:


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 151 ✭✭galwaymusic


    I completely agree (and I am a teenager).

    I think the blame can be put on the Internet. The amount of students over te last few years who use Google for projects, ie; copy and paste. Many use Translate for Languages and of course the web for cheats.

    It's absolutely ridiculous and astonishing how many hours teenagers actually ADMIT to spending on FaceBook...often instead of studying! I was thinking recently...what the hell will the NEXT generation or two be like?!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,277 ✭✭✭✭How Soon Is Now


    Plenty of thick adults going around as well as teenagers. Think its just people in general who have become stupider.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,936 ✭✭✭patwicklow


    Not surprised with all the rubbish like xfactor jedward xboxes mcdonalds iphones facebook, so alot of brain washing crap out there


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 851 ✭✭✭PrincessLola


    omg, loike I know this hasn't anything to do with this thread, but did you loike hear that Chris Brown got back with Rihanna. Loike omg, they're such a happy couple. And loike I don't care what people say about Chris Brown being loike a woman beater, I mean if Rihanna still wants him I don't see what the loike problem is...

    NO ONE EVER USED ANNOYING SLANG OR TALKED ABOUT CELEBRITIES IN 1978. NOPE, NOT A SINGLE PERSON!!!!1

    TEENAGERS WEREN'T ANNOYING BACK THEN, THEY ONLY BECAME ANNOYING MY SOME MAGIK COINCIDENCE THE DAY I STOPPED BEING A TEENAGER MYSELF!!11


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 116 ✭✭VagnerLove


    it's going to be so fucking sad when I'm at the age when I'm talking about "back in my day when I was a teeenager". I'll probably cry a lot.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,137 ✭✭✭44leto


    I don't know about less intelligent but definitely less independent.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,277 ✭✭✭✭How Soon Is Now


    patwicklow wrote: »
    Not surprised with all the rubbish like xfactor jedward xboxes mcdonalds iphones facebook, so alot of brain washing crap out there

    Theres nothing wrong with modern technology such as xboxes or iphones using your examples.

    Its the dumbing down of the world around us that has people cabbaged.

    For teens now a days its cool to act the retard because lets face it all the people in the media they look up to and follow are cappers.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,922 ✭✭✭hooradiation


    NO ONE EVER USED ANNOYING SLANG OR TALKED ABOUT CELEBRITIES IN 1978. NOPE, NOT A SINGLE PERSON!!!!1

    TEENAGERS WEREN'T ANNOYING BACK THEN, THEY ONLY BECAME ANNOYING MY SOME MAGIK COINCIDENCE THE DAY I STOPPED BEING A TEENAGER MYSELF!!11

    People being massive fucking hypocrites?
    I am shocked!
    Shocked, I say!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 492 ✭✭Sl!mCharles


    this thread makes me sad :-(


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 994 ✭✭✭carbon nanotube


    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/3265302/Teenagers-are-less-intelligent-than-a-generation-ago-claims-study.html

    So should the minimum age for drinking / driving / sex be raised by two years ? :pac:


    with the endless crap on tv now and tabloids full of c0ck im not the least bit surprised.

    music used to be great but when rustin bieber gets 100,000,000,000,000 hits on u tube you know things are seriously wrong across the entire globe

    and yes, i know he is justin, i just want to be ...erm, unconventional.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,936 ✭✭✭patwicklow


    with the endless crap on tv now and tabloids full of c0ck im not the least bit surprised.

    music used to be great but when rustin bieber gets 100,000,000,000,000 hits on u tube you know things are seriously wrong across the entire globe

    and yes, i know he is justin, i just want to be ...erm, unconventional.

    And i say the same for them two irish twins with the silly hair


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,588 ✭✭✭weemcd


    I have my doubts about that article, for a start the sample size is only 800, the article does not detail the test, and it only states the group from the 70's were tested on a "similar" test, no indication how similar the tests were.

    I would take it as fact that education is slipping however.

    It's cool to act dumb these days. I remember it vividly in secondary school (I am 23 now), probably my favourite saying in life is empty vessels make the most noise, because it is undeniably true. Now my generation has its fair share of dullards, but the younger you get the more difficult it is to even hear coherent complete sentences.

    Very big problem is that everything is handed to them, this is in their lives at home with material possessions, but also in school, the exams I took (UK gcse's and a-levels) get easier absolutely every year and this trend will continue.

    The real scare here is the 14 year olds of today will be having children and the cycle will perpetuate itself, not only with lower education but a lack of general respect and manners. When I was of a certain age I would never have said boo to anyone more than a year or two older than me for fear of a bollocking.

    :(

    I am aware how old I sound saying this, but I feel it is the truth


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 555 ✭✭✭PapaQuebec


    weemcd wrote: »
    I have my doubts about that article, for a start the sample size is only 800, the article does not detail the test, and it only states the group from the 70's were tested on a "similar" test, no indication how similar the tests were.

    I would take it as fact that education is slipping however.

    It's cool to act dumb these days. I remember it vividly in secondary school (I am 23 now), probably my favourite saying in life is empty vessels make the most noise, because it is undeniably true. Now my generation has its fair share of dullards, but the younger you get the more difficult it is to even hear coherent complete sentences.

    Very big problem is that everything is handed to them, this is in their lives at home with material possessions, but also in school, the exams I took (UK gcse's and a-levels) get easier absolutely every year and this trend will continue.

    The real scare here is the 14 year olds of today will be having children and the cycle will perpetuate itself, not only with lower education but a lack of general respect and manners. When I was of a certain age I would never have said boo to anyone more than a year or two older than me for fear of a bollocking.

    :(

    I am aware how old I sound saying this, but I feel it is the truth

    Excellent post, best on the thread.

    Although Irish, I was educated in the UK from age 8 till age 21, and spent a further 6 years working there before moving to Dublin in 1985.

    Back in around 2006 I was watching a debate on falling education standards and rising exam grades in the UK (Newsnight perhaps), and it prompted me to see if I could get hold of some past-papers from when I was sitting my "O"s and "A"s in 1973/4 and 1976 respectively, and compare them to current (2006ish) papers.

    A few hours later I had quite a collection.

    I was absolutely gobsmacked at the massive differences in the standards. I would today easily pass subjects at GCSE in 2005/6 papers in subjects that I have never studied, but would struggle if I attempted the paper from 30-years earlier!!

    "A" levels from 2005/6 were similar, or lower, standard that "O" level papers from 1974!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,995 ✭✭✭take everything


    PapaQuebec wrote: »
    Excellent post, best on the thread.

    Although Irish, I was educated in the UK from age 8 till age 21, and spent a further 6 years working there before moving to Dublin in 1985.

    Back in around 2006 I was watching a debate on falling education standards and rising exam grades in the UK (Newsnight perhaps), and it prompted me to see if I could get hold of some past-papers from when I was sitting my "O"s and "A"s in 1973/4 and 1976 respectively, and compare them to current (2006ish) papers.

    A few hours later I had quite a collection.

    I was absolutely gobsmacked at the massive differences in the standards. I would today easily pass subjects at GCSE in 2005/6 papers in subjects that I have never studied, but would struggle if I attempted the paper from 30-years earlier!!

    "A" levels from 2005/6 were similar, or lower, standard that "O" level papers from 1974!

    All very true.
    The numbers getting honours at university and 600 points in the LC has soared.
    I always see this grade inflation like any other credit bubble. Keep on telling people they're millionaires/they're brilliant. Nobody fails. Everyone's a winner. It's all popping now of course (jobs and money wise).


  • Site Banned Posts: 2,037 ✭✭✭paddyandy


    Less intelligent people .Very good question ? I have no answer at all but i'd like to know .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 412 ✭✭Haelium


    Many people seem to be under the misconception that the youth of today is tech savvy. As a teenager I can assure you that this is incorrect, they know how to use a computer, but most do not understand how it works even slightly. Logging into facebook is not the same as understanding how or why a computer works. They can do it from an earlier age than you were because computers are designed so that idiots can use them today.

    Personally, I would point towards pop culture as the scapegoat for the stupidity of this generation.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,367 ✭✭✭bonzodog2


    I see no-one here can even spell Meccano properly either. Tis shocking, I shall call Joe tomorrow !

    :rolleyes:


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