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Polish welfare cheats "conspired against the Irish"

  • 29-02-2012 03:13PM
    #1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 160 ✭✭


    A man and a woman, both Polish and both living in Claremorris, have been sentenced to three months’ imprisonment each for fraudulent social welfare claims of €2,419 and €1,713 respectively last year.
    In two separate cases at last week’s sitting in Castlebar District Court, Judge Mary Devins heard how Karol Makuch (23) of 25 Grattan Avenue, Claremorris, and Barbara Gadec (29) of 13 Grattan Avenue, Claremorris, had separately misappropriated large sums of social welfare payments.
    Judge Mary Devins heard that Makuch and Gadec did this by using the welfare cards of Michael and Bernadetta Lebec, who had returned to Poland prior to the offences for family reasons.

    Suspicious
    Garda Donal Raftery of Claremorris Garda Station told the court that on August 8 last he called to Ballindine Post Office after he was contacted by social welfare inspector Tony Gavin. Mr Gavin had reported suspicious collections by a woman using a welfare card belonging to Bernadetta Lebec.
    Garda Raftery viewed CCTV footage of the woman whom he recognised as Barbara Gadec. While in the post office, Garda Raftery observed Gadec entering the post office and collecting a total of €171.30 on ten occasions under the name of Bernadetta Lebec. Gadec had misappropriated €1,713 in total.
    Gadec said that after fellow Polish natives Michael and Bernadetta Lebec returned to Poland for family reasons, she was approached and asked if she would collect the money on a weekly basis. While she did this, the couple returned on a monthly basis to sign on.
    Gadec, a mother of two, insisted all she received in exchange for her assistance from the Lebec’s was a few packets of duty-free cigarettes. She said there was a good relationship between the Polish in the area and she had just been helping them out.

    Criminal conspiracy
    Solicitor Michael Keane described Gadec as a family woman who had shown ‘naivety and stupidity’. “I would acknowledge that rather than believe that she was involved in a criminal conspiracy,” he said.
    A bemused Judge Devins replied, “Of course it’s a criminal conspiracy; it’s a criminal conspiracy against the people of the Republic of Ireland.”
    In a separate case which was again linked to Michael and Bernadetta Lebec, Karol Makuch of 25 Grattan Avenue, Convent Road, Claremorris, appeared on similar charges arising out of fraudulently claiming €2,419, this time with Michael Lebec’s card.
    Garda Raftery told the court he also viewed CCTV footage on August 8 last at Ballindine Post Office of Makuch claiming welfare payments. The defendant later admitted illegitimately claiming the money over a 15-week period.
    Garda Donal Raftery said that he did not recognise Makuch on CCTV footage. However, he arrested him after a period of surveillance outside the post office the following week.
    Solicitor Michael Keane said Makuch was 23-year-old kitchen porter and who had been in Ireland for three years and had never come to the attention of the Gardaí before.
    Defending his two clients, solicitor Michael Keane told Judge Devins that both Gadec and Makuch were part of a large ex-pat community who all helped each other out as best they could.
    Mr Keane said Gadec and Makuch had pleaded guilty at the very first opportunity and both individuals had subsequently repaid both sums of money. He added, “They got suckered into this by a couple who took advantage of their better nature. The couple are the real culprits. It’s almost like the drugs trade, except they’re the mules but now they’re in the firing line.”

    Respect
    Judge Devins intimated she had little sympathy for their situation. “You almost have me in tears here. You’re painting a picture akin to that of ‘Little House on the Prairie’ when you’re describing these Polish ex-pats.”
    Mr Keane continued, “Who knows better than the Irish about a self-help group. Of course it’s wrong but it’s very prevalent.” Judge Devins enquired, “Are you suggesting that the Irish community are doing this in other countries?” Mr Keane replied that the practice is ‘rampant’ in every country in the world. “Every government knows it’s rampant,” he said.
    Passing judgement Judge Devins acknowledged what she described as an impassioned plea from Mr Keane. She added, “I don’t think it’s entirely well-founded. For a start these emigrants are not living in tenements with no light, no electricity and no running water. These people have benefitted and have been shown respect by the Republic of Ireland. Ms Gadek and Mr Makuch have not returned or given back that respect.”
    Judge Devins sentenced Gadec and Makuch to six months in prison each, suspending the final three months for a period of twelve months. Recognisance in the event of an appeal was fixed at €2,400 for both parties, with independent surety fixed at €300.



    http://www.mayonews.ie/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=14745:welfare-cheats-conspired-against-the-irish-people&catid=23:news&Itemid=46


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Comments

  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,438 ✭✭✭TwoShedsJackson


    Dey etttt urrrr swans!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 609 ✭✭✭Dubit10


    Disgusting but expected.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,154 ✭✭✭Rented Mule


    Dey etttt urrrr swans!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I couldn't type it fast enough .....damn you !!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,788 ✭✭✭MyPeopleDrankTheSoup


    this thread will end well.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,207 ✭✭✭The King of Moo


    Two people committed a crime and were caught and punished.

    That's good.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 160 ✭✭My_left_leg


    This is the tip of the iceberg I suspect.
    Little wonder our sick children are lying on trolleys.
    Good to see the courts are getting tough on these parasites.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,274 ✭✭✭_feedback_


    Anything to add yourself at all OP?!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,598 ✭✭✭✭prinz


    This is the tip of the iceberg I suspect..

    I suspect it is, but I also suspect that the vast vast vast majority of social welfare scamming is done by Irish citizens.
    Little wonder our sick children are lying on trolleys.
    Good to see the courts are getting tough on these parasites.

    I wonder does you concern stretch to those sick children of law-abiding immigrant parents who are lying on trolleys?

    Now if only we could clone Judge Mary Devins and put her on every bench in the land. Sounds like a no-nonsense type.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,018 ✭✭✭Badgermonkey


    This is the tip of the iceberg I suspect.
    Little wonder our sick children are lying on trolleys.

    Yeah, Polish scroungers are precisely the ones culpable for chronic financial and logistical mismanagement in the Health Service.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,748 ✭✭✭Dermighty


    And it probably costs twenty times that much to imprison them :P

    Just line them up and shoot them, or better yet send them to a camp with other P.......................oh god I've done it again :(


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,208 ✭✭✭CardBordWindow


    If you listen to all the scaremongering, Germany more or less owns Ireland now, so the Polish are indirectly screwing over Germany, in retaliation of the invasion of 1939??


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,922 ✭✭✭hooradiation


    Little wonder our sick children are lying on trolleys.

    If your children are sick, shouldn't you take them to hospital?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,029 ✭✭✭Rhys Essien


    Meanwhile TD sees no problem doing a legger with €52,000 worth of ink.
    Shur we'll say nothin about.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,387 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    No Irish person has ever committed welfare fraud.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,375 ✭✭✭DoesNotCompute


    Typical Irish - unwilling to accept responsibility for getting yourselves into the mess you're now in, so you blame the Polish. :P


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,350 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    No Irish person has ever committed welfare fraud.

    Not even the guy down the road from me who hasn't worked for about twenty years, officially anyway.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Music Moderators, Politics Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 22,424 CMod ✭✭✭✭Dravokivich


    If your children are sick, shouldn't you take them to hospital?

    Erm... the tolleys the other guy was referring to, are hospital trolleys.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,205 ✭✭✭Bad Panda


    Thank God they were caught! Now the country can go back to normal.

    I'm just glad no Irish person has dared to cheat the welfare system yet.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    No Irish person has ever committed welfare fraud.

    Sure it goes against the faith of our fathers.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,350 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    Bad Panda wrote: »
    Thank God they were caught! Now the country can go back to normal.

    I'm just glad no Irish person has dared to cheat the welfare system yet.

    Foreigners = fraudsters

    Natives = cute


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,598 ✭✭✭✭prinz


    All in all a case well handled by the relevant authorities. Reported well, investigated well, convicted well. The system works :eek:, when it wants to.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,177 ✭✭✭MickySticks


    I suppose they got free legal aid for court? And tax payers money will now be paying for their stint in prison. Yeah, we really showed them...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,748 ✭✭✭Dermighty


    Ah it's all a load of ****. I couldn't give a **** about people robbing 4 grand from the government, but I am glad that somebody does and as broken as the country is I'm happy to spend my tax money and let someone else clean up that mess.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,079 ✭✭✭✭Micky Dolenz


    Rob a couple of grand from the state and do jail time. Let's spend tens more thousands imprisoning them. Non violent offenders should do community service and plenty of it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 543 ✭✭✭rgmmg


    Typical Irish - unwilling to accept responsibility for getting yourselves into the mess you're now in, so you blame the Polish. :P


    Well, not quite. We may magnify non-nationals fraudulent welfare antics in terms of newspaper coverage, but we're all as equal in the eyes of the law. :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,922 ✭✭✭hooradiation


    Erm... the tolleys the other guy was referring to, are hospital trolleys.

    I know, but taking this kind of mindless nonsense literally is a new hobby of mine.
    Much more entertaining then the alternative.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,385 ✭✭✭monkeypants


    Two people committed a crime and were caught and punished.
    Maybe I'm reading it wrong, but it looks to me like four people committed a crime and two were caught and punished.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 437 ✭✭godscop


    Just deport them back to Poland. Let Poland's taxes take care of them. We have enough Irish scumbags who need a stint in prison.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,317 ✭✭✭bullpost


    I'd say this has Seanie Fitz and Drummie and the rest of those boys quaking in their boots (ok nicely-tassled loafers).

    Get 6 months for defrauding the state of a few grand - what will you get if you're found guilty of defrauded billions :)
    Rob a couple of grand from the state and do jail time. Let's spend tens more thousands imprisoning them. Non violent offenders should do community service and plenty of it.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,944 ✭✭✭fedor.2.


    No Irish person has ever committed welfare fraud.


    Damn straight


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