"The Origin of Specious Nonsense"

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Originally Posted by Sarky
Antibiotics do buggerall to viruses. They're just bits of DNA or RNA in a protein shell. They're mostly not affected by antibiotics because they don't metabolise, they're not even alive in most senses of the word. Until they get into a cell, whereupon they hijack a cell's machinery to replicate themselves in a variety of interesting ways.
We were talking about the development of AB resistance in bacteria ... as the information losing and circular 'evolution' phenomenon that it is.

Generally they insert their own DNA into the host's chromosome (it's quite easy to see that parts of the human genome contain bits and pieces that are obviously viral in nature) and force that region to be translated over and over again, producing protein shells and replicated viral DNA/RNA to put inside them.
That's how they work allright.

The process is error prone like everything else (More so in the case of RNA viruses, as their genomes don't have the double helix structure to provide extra stability), and often a virus will copy too much or too little, and the new viruses can contain bits and pieces of host DNA/RNA. Their lack of repair enzymes allows for plenty of mutation and variability as errors go uncorrected, especially given the number of viruses even one host cell can produce before it dies from exhaustion or bursts open after producing too many viruses or any number of other factors. They're orders of magnitude above even bacteria for replication numbers. Evolution is extremely obvious in viruses for these reasons. Well, viruses themselves are extremely hard to see, being only a few nanometres in length, but we can measure their effects on cells and we can easily examine their genomes.
.... and after all this supposedly rapid 'evolution' they remain parasitic obligates a few nanometres long ... and still requiring host cells for their reproduction ... not much sign of anything going rapidly anywhere there ... except round in circles

This is mostly 1st or 2nd year undergrad biology stuff, and the fact that J C doesn't seem to know about the intricacies of basic microbiology like this either means that his "conventional scientific qualification" has nothing to do with the topics covered here (rendering it useless for trying to add weight to his claims), or that he has no qualification at all. Given his lack of honesty about pretty much everything else, I'd suspect the latter, but he could always put such speculation to rest by growing a pair and telling us.
What are you talking about? What do I supposedly not know?



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Originally Posted by Sarky
Well, no. Antibiotics only really affect cells, but they aren't at all picky. If a cell possesses the kind of chemical pathway that an antibiotic can f*ck up, then the antibiotic will f*ck it right up. The most commonly used ones are relatively harmless to humans, but mess up bacterial or fungal cells. There are plenty more that are really dangerous to human cells. Some of those are used in cancer treatment. Some require taking other medicine to counteract the nasty side effects. Antibiotics are essentially poisons that are less effective against some creatures.
... and your point is???

There's virtually nothing available to medicine that's effective against viral infections, you have only your own body to thank for getting rid of those with some cleverly evolved defences; swelling makes movement in that area difficult, infected areas often do mass cell suicides in a scorched earth kind of defence (that's where the white colouration and most of the pain in a sore throat comes from. Your body does not f*ck about with infection), white blood cells create swarms of antigens that disable "sick" cells by sticking to the new proteins showing up in the cell membrane and disabling them or tagging them for suicide, or immobilising bacteria or viruses in a sort of sticky mass of themselves, leaving them easy prey for the white cells that eat and dissolve foreign bodies.
... and all of this controlled by gargantuan quantities of CFSI ... where just one 'wrong move' could kill you.

All your body's own work. It is able to recognise things that shouldn't be there and come up with a highly effective defence. It evolves to adapt to new infections. Which creates a selective pressure for bacteria and viruses different enough to slip past the new defences. Which in turn creates selective pressure on the body. A never-ending arms race of sorts. There's no malice, just cause and effect.
An automatic system that's intelligently designed ... to fight moving and ever changing targets ... that would leave the 'Star Wars' defense systems 'at the starting blocks '... and all of it operating at microscopic levels of resolution.

That terrifies people like J C.
I find it an awe inspiring proof of our wonderful God ... no fear ... just pure love.

joseph brand wrote: »

/takes hat off.

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

You're writing words, but in my head I'm just reading them as a loud, irritating humming noise.

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

My denial of bullshit psuedoscience?

dlofnep wrote: »

Would you stop with that childish nonsense. For someone who claims to be a Christian (which you clearly aren't), you're quick to continuously misrepresent comments to try and have a cheap pop at people.

How about trying to have an honest discussion for once, and stop being obtuse?

dlofnep wrote: »

No, you weren't. Stop being deceitful. For someone who claims to be Christian, you're not a very honest or moral person.

dlofnep wrote: »

So is the Bible completely accurate, and are all of it's teachings still true? In particular - Leviticus 25:44-46 (Slavery) and Exodus 21:7-11 (Child slavery).

robindch wrote: »

Found the crocoduck at last?

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Originally Posted by Galvasean
Summarizes the thread pretty well.

dead one
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