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What would you do with Peyton Manning?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 147 ✭✭spud06


    Pats should trade for him and put him behind Brady just so he knows his place.

    I hope ur messing if not ur a bit mad


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 5,204 Mod ✭✭✭✭GoldFour4


    spud06 wrote: »
    I hope ur messing if not ur a bit mad

    ....well obviously


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,339 ✭✭✭me-skywalker


    he wont coach apparently, outside of playing he'll only do TV as he doesn't enjoy the long hours from what i've heard

    where did you hear this? can you show us where you 'heard' it?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,339 ✭✭✭me-skywalker


    Another day, another rumour; this time is an Houston Radio station claiming to know someone that heard of somebody who once met someone that knows a Manning that he wants to play for a team that has a chance to win a Superbowl; today its the Texans turn on the Manning-merry-go-round.

    Seriously I cant even be bothered comment on that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,173 ✭✭✭✭kmart6


    Back to you Peyton....
    Jim Irsay to John Clayton: "We want him back. We can work out the contract if he wants to work it out. It's going to be Peyton's call.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,599 ✭✭✭matthew8


    If Manning went to Houston that would make their team one capable of winning every single game. But zero chance of it happening.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11 Gavin Saturday


    his neck is growing apparently.
    i dont think he'll ever play top nfl again.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 719 ✭✭✭neilster


    kmart6 wrote: »
    Back to you Peyton....

    This is classic Irsay as is the si.com article with Don Banks talking about a "fourth procedure" which i would lay a lot of dollars came from Irsay as a plant as well

    I think Manning gets healthy but not by march 8th so is cut

    I think a lot of people are starting to see the transparency of irsays' comments like his one today about "negotiations"

    What exactly is Mannings agent Tom Condon negotiating ....they dont have to negotiate anything ....they wait for the 8th and he is cast free ...there is zero reason for negotiations apart from Irsay wanting the Colt faithful to think he wanted to keep Manning around when he doesnt ....he saves 28mill and he gets Andrew Luck ....what exactly are they negotiating ....that Peyton comes back and Luck does an "Eli" on it and wants out of Indy .....that Luck can be offended he doesnt get starting by re-doing Mannings contract ....

    negotiating on the basis of a not-healed-yet neck injury...they arent talking ...justing waiting to cut him


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 719 ✭✭✭neilster


    Peyton Manning should tell the Colts to beat it

    Joe Fortenbaugh, The National Football Post2 hours, 33 minutes ago








    20120217_peyton_manning_should0.jpgPeyton Manning should tell the Colts to beat it

    Enough already.

    The ever-escalating high school drama-fest currently being played out through the media between Indianapolis Colts owner Jim Irsay and the best player in the organization’s history has been so mismanaged from the very start that we now find ourselves waist-deep in a political nightmare that is hopefully drawing near its conclusion.

    After 13 seasons, two trips to the Super Bowl, four MVP awards and a career that not only erased the Jeff George mistake but elevated the Indianapolis Colts to one of the premier franchises in the National Football League, you would think quarterback Peyton Manning would be shown a bit more respect.

    Instead, the future first-ballot Hall of Famer—who started every single game from his rookie season in 1998 through 2010—is now damaged goods in the eyes of the outspoken Irsay and has been subjected to a media campaign designed to have the organization come out on top when the parties’ impending split takes place in the near future.

    The sad thing is that this whole mess could have been handled in a much more professional manner.



    Because that’s what Peyton Manning deserves.

    Yes, a $28 million bonus is too much to pay for a guy coming off four neck surgeries, especially when you’re team has the first overall pick in April’s draft.

    Yes, this is a business. Players need to strike while the iron is hot and teams need to do what’s in the best interest of both their short-term and long-term future. That means making tough decisions and cutting bait on expensive contracts that no longer seem to make much football sense.

    But the Manning-Colts relationship is supposed to be different.

    This isn’t the Philadelphia Eagles kicking wide receiver Terrell Owens to the curb in 2006 after his brash, loudmouth demeanor created such a rift in the locker room that the organization simply had no other choice.

    This is Peyton Manning, a guy who won 141 regular season games in 13 seasons. A quarterback who carried his team to two Super Bowls and one Vince Lombardi Trophy. A class act who put the city of Indianapolis on the football map and was no doubt an instrumental reason why a cold, Midwestern city had the opportunity to host—and profit from—their first ever Super Bowl a couple of weeks ago.

    From the looks of things, Irsay loves to talk. He wants to be on camera. He wants to see his name in the headlines. Most will tell you that he’s one hell of a twitter follow.

    But he dropped the ball on this one.

    Rather than take this battle public and create a divide in the city of Indianapolis, why not handle the matter behind closed doors? Has Manning ever given anyone a reason to think he’d act in an unprofessional manner and make this thing ugly?

    Take, for example, this public exchange between the two parties that took place during the week leading up to the Super Bowl:

    Thursday, February 2nd: ESPN reports that Manning has been cleared by two doctors to resume his career.

    Friday, February 3rd: Irsay responds to the news via twitter: ““Peyton has not passed our physical nor has he been cleared to play for The Indianapolis Colts. Team statement coming on Friday.”

    Was it absolutely necessary to immediately go on the defensive? Couldn’t Irsay have just said, “Great to hear Peyton has been cleared to play. We look forward to having our team doctors check him out.”

    Simple, classy, respectful.

    I get the fact that Manning isn’t innocent in all of this. It was no doubt his camp that leaked the story to Adam Schefter and Chris Mortensen in an attempt to gain leverage in the public’s eye. But let’s face facts here. Irsay owns the Colts and can cut Manning whenever he wants. He’s the boss and it’s his decision. Why not smile in public and scowl behind closed doors?

    And while we’re on the topic, lets be honest about Irsay’s “offer” to bring Manning back if the quarterback is willing to restructure his contract. That was nothing more than an attempt by the Indianapolis owner to paint Manning in a corner to make him look like the stereotypical greedy athlete should he decline.

    But sadly, this is how relationships often work. One minute you’re walking down the street holding hands, the next you’re broken up and unwilling to even make eye contact, let alone speak to one another.

    This isn’t the Philadelphia Eagles and Terrell Owens. This is the Indianapolis Colts and Peyton Manning. It never needed to reach this point. Manning’s a pro and he understands that this is a business.

    I guess it’s just sad to see the perfect couple go through such a bitter breakup when every opportunity was there for the end to be handled amicably


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,965 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    I have to say I think that article is apalling. I'm not talking about the message he is trying to get across just the way its written.


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  • Posts: 10,091 ✭✭✭✭ Antonio Young Thermos


    i dont think hell play again. having said that as an eagles fan im terrified of the redskins taking a chance on him if he comes back even at 80 percent hes going to be hard to stop. another point to consider is he took a year to learn the colts offense and has been in that now all his career how quick will he pick up a new one as for his style (changing the play so much at the line) he needs to know it like the back of his hand.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,445 ✭✭✭frostie500


    i dont think hell play again. having said that as an eagles fan im terrified of the redskins taking a chance on him if he comes back even at 80 percent hes going to be hard to stop. another point to consider is he took a year to learn the colts offense and has been in that now all his career how quick will he pick up a new one as for his style (changing the play so much at the line) he needs to know it like the back of his hand.

    Yeah im with you as an Eages fan not looking to have another top QB in the division. But if he did go to the NFC East can anyone think of a division in recent years with four QBs of the level of Eli, Mike Vick, Peyton and Tony Romo.

    Also I dont think its fair to say it took Manning a year to learn the offence in Indy. He was a rookie and its only with recent times (Big Ben, Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco, Mark Sanchez and last year with Andy Dalton that we've seen playoff calibre seasons from rookies.)
    Wherever Manning plays, if he is fit enough, he will instantly upgrade that offence and make it his own. Look at the success that some of the rookie recievers have had at Indy in recent years and its clear that Manning can teach his style of play to young players so that would also translate to some experienced vets.
    I dont think that we will see him lead an offence in the same way as he did at Indy but right through his career, college and pros, Manning has always shown that he is a fantastic player and not some kind of "system" QB that needs to be in an offence similar to the one he ran at Indy.

    By the way Im not implying that you said Manning was a system QB from the quoted post!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,339 ✭✭✭me-skywalker


    Whatever team he plays for; he will improve them straight away, and not in 1 year or 2 years. He sure is gonna need some Oline though to protect him in the first few weeks.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,216 ✭✭✭Danger_dave1


    frostie500 wrote: »
    Also I dont think its fair to say it took Manning a year to learn the offence in Indy. He was a rookie and its only with recent times (Big Ben, Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco, Mark Sanchez and last year with Andy Dalton that we've seen playoff calibre seasons from rookies.)

    Can't see Dalton being put in that list to be honest. He benefited from a soft schedule ( Besides Ravens/steelers twice) He looked average to below average in last 5 games of season. He also played poorly in the Texans play off game admittedly against a excellent Texans D but still.

    Ryan/Flacco/Big Ben all had tougher routes to the play offs as rookies. Sanchez played slightly above average in a team with a pumped LT and a superb Defense. Now that both have started to age or leave the franchise we see the level that Sanchez is capable of . He could prove all his doubters wrong come next year. Maybe


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,445 ✭✭✭frostie500


    Can't see Dalton being put in that list to be honest. He benefited from a soft schedule ( Besides Ravens/steelers twice) He looked average to below average in last 5 games of season. He also played poorly in the Texans play off game admittedly against a excellent Texans D but still.

    Ryan/Flacco/Big Ben all had tougher routes to the play offs as rookies. Sanchez played slightly above average in a team with a pumped LT and a superb Defense. Now that both have started to age or leave the franchise we see the level that Sanchez is capable of . He could prove all his doubters wrong come next year. Maybe

    Yeah but the point i was making was that its now recently that we expect a QB to not come in and make a ton of mistakes and take time to learn the NFL.

    Of the players I named only Roethlisberger has proven himself to be an elite QB but the rest have shown that they can be, at the minimum, a functional QB that can get to the playoffs.

    The reason I mentioned Dalton and Sanchez wasnt because I think either are good QBs its simply because both QB'ed playoff teams. For what its worth I dont rate Sanchez at all(who does) and I agree that Dalton wasnt great last year but he was good enough for what the Bengals needed and having seen him in college I think he could be a very good NFL QB.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,339 ✭✭✭me-skywalker


    frostie500 wrote: »
    Yeah but the point i was making was that its now recently that we expect a QB to not come in and make a ton of mistakes and take time to learn the NFL.

    Of the players I named only Roethlisberger has proven himself to be an elite QB but the rest have shown that they can be, at the minimum, a functional QB that can get to the playoffs.

    The reason I mentioned Dalton and Sanchez wasnt because I think either are good QBs its simply because both QB'ed playoff teams. For what its worth I dont rate Sanchez at all(who does) and I agree that Dalton wasnt great last year but he was good enough for what the Bengals needed and having seen him in college I think he could be a very good NFL QB.


    There was a thread on QB's with a really great post, cant find it atm, but was a great opinion like above that people are expecting too much of a QB in this modern times. Straight away I can think of Alex Smith, not a great, not even in the top 10 but hey he was very close to being a Superbowl QB and this is the point. Once he's functional, able to move the chains, get the ball to his playmakers and have decent footwork you can achieve anything with an average QB based on whats around him.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 719 ✭✭✭neilster


    There is a very serious well-founded rumour (if such a thing exists) emanating out of Kansas about Manning . It is said that they as an organisation have had multiple discussions with Manning ( i know its tampering but it goes on ) and they have a serious amount of Cap space and have the financial firepower to make it work



    Add to that a reasonable defence ....a great secondary .....good recievers if resigned plus maybe Reggie Wayne.....very strong runing backs and an ok Oline .....an 8-8 record which still nearly won a division so an easier route to the playoffs than a Miami, Redskins , Cleveland.



    A returning All-pro safety, a returning top running back all from injury . Joe Montana went to Kansas many years ago and they can financially do it . If we presume that with Joe Philbin and the Packers links that Miami will chase Matt Flynn most with Arizona an underbidder as they pick in the draft at 13 and they have a lot of holes that may make Manning not want Arizona .



    And if we take it that Clevelands 2 1st round picks and Washington's desperation and 6th pick for the Rams if they traded down will make them chase RGIII.



    That leaves Kansas as not a terrible suitor. The Jets will have to have a long look and they have a top 5 defence for Manning but they have cap problems so Kansas anyone ?????


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 16,610 Mod ✭✭✭✭adrian522


    It's certainly possible, but I think they are an outside bet at this point.

    I think Arizona is a real possiblilty.

    All of which is of course presuming he can get healthy and prove himself to the various teams before they commit to other options at QB.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,299 ✭✭✭spiralism


    I'll ****ing cry if Manning ends up in Kansas, best we could hope for next 4 seasons would be a wildcard, that team is already excellent in a lot of positions, the ****ers would win a superbowl


  • Posts: 10,091 ✭✭✭✭ Antonio Young Thermos


    adrian522 wrote: »
    It's certainly possible, but I think they are an outside bet at this point.

    I think Arizona is a real possiblilty.

    All of which is of course presuming he can get healthy and prove himself to the various teams before they commit to other options at QB.

    hells ya i wana see larry fitz get a good qb the man is a consumate professional and bar kurt warner hes had no1 throwing to him hes one of those players i think deserves a sb at some point


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,510 ✭✭✭Hazys


    Maybe he will play and be effective after all:

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/02/peyton-mannings-arm-strength-apparently-improving/


    Also rumours are Reggie Wayne could be part of package.

    Can you imagine any team with a decent d# and a lot of cap room, offering Payton a deal where they will take Wayne and Garcon too...suddenly that team is a contender.


    Sound like Redskins to anybody?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,228 ✭✭✭Chardee MacDennis


    Hazys wrote: »
    Maybe he will play and be effective after all:

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/02/peyton-mannings-arm-strength-apparently-improving/


    Also rumours are Reggie Wayne could be part of package.

    Can you imagine any team with a decent d# and a lot of cap room, offering Payton a deal where they will take Wayne and Garcon too...suddenly that team is a contender.


    Sound like Redskins to anybody?

    Dolphins from what I've been reading, I think one of the Miami beat writers has said he's fairly sure the 'phins will get Manning and Wayne.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,599 ✭✭✭matthew8


    If I was Manning I'd be perfectly happy with the Dolphins or the Chiefs.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,966 ✭✭✭Syferus


    Can't see the Colts giving up Garcon with a fantastic young QB coming and also being likely to cut ties with their most experienced receiver. He's probably the offensive player most assured to return next season.


  • Posts: 10,091 ✭✭✭✭ Antonio Young Thermos


    There was a thread on QB's with a really great post, cant find it atm, but was a great opinion like above that people are expecting too much of a QB in this modern times. Straight away I can think of Alex Smith, not a great, not even in the top 10 but hey he was very close to being a Superbowl QB and this is the point. Once he's functional, able to move the chains, get the ball to his playmakers and have decent footwork you can achieve anything with an average QB based on whats around him.

    alex smith had new coaches every year to which never helps always felt bad for the guy being labeled a bust he wasn't given an even chance

    with regards to peyton if he's been in one offense his whole career will it be hard to learn another if it takes him a year or so might not be worth it at his age


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,966 ✭✭✭Syferus


    alex smith had new coaches every year to which never helps always felt bad for the guy being labeled a bust he wasn't given an even chance

    with regards to peyton if he's been in one offense his whole career will it be hard to learn another if it takes him a year or so might not be worth it at his age

    You're talking about probably the single most intelligent football player in the history of the sport. He'll adapt to whatever he's given and whatever he's 'given' will be tailored to what he already knows and is comfortable with. As long as he's fit, he can be a serious weapon in helping any team win right from week 1.


  • Posts: 10,091 ✭✭✭✭ Antonio Young Thermos


    Syferus wrote: »
    You're talking about probably the single most intelligent football player in the history of the sport. He'll adapt to whatever he's given and whatever he's 'given' will be tailored to what he already knows and is comfortable with. As long as he's fit, he can be a serious weapon in helping any team win right from week 1.

    ya fair point and he does seem really motivated would love to see him meet the colts and woop them at some point


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,287 ✭✭✭davyjose


    Not quite the "noodle arm" reports we're hearing. He'll be signed somewhere by next weekend.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,249 ✭✭✭Stev_o


    Question is can he throw like that after taking a hit.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,287 ✭✭✭davyjose


    Stev_o wrote: »
    Question is can he throw like that after taking a hit.
    I guess that's a medical question. If he's made of glass, he won't come back. But theoretically any QB can take a career ending hit at any moment.


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